Limbaugh mocks Michael J. Fox political ad

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volinbham said:
Who are the people that would think negatively of Ford based on that ad - due to seeing a white women saying calling me stirring feelings of anger regarding interracial relationships? Where is the evidence to support the allegation?
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So it is OK for you to assume no one saw this as racist but it is wrong for them to assume someone did??
 
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lawgator1 said:
Againm it isn't about whether its true. All they want is to have it "talked about." Look at your own post -- it suggests that, as there is no merit to the charge that the commercial was racist, we have yet another black man falsely claiming racism.

And we need to stop that by not voting one into power.
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The over-arching point of my posts is too suggest that there is way too much micro-analysis of motives, messages etc. I personally doubt the average voter digs into so deeply - I certainly don't. I would vote Ford or Corker based on which one I thought could best do the job. While political operatives may play these games, IMHO they are simply that - games. Your analysis that the Reps are delighted because of the reaction assumes quite a bit of deep analysis of political motives that drive the typical voter.

In short, it is a very cynical view of the average voter. They are simply pawns with simple buttons to push. Do any of us fit into that category? No. But we can talk about those "simple" voters out there who aren't as sophisticated...
 
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GAVol said:
Others would identify this as a centuries old practice known as "Trying to get elected."
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True. But does a party desperate enough to retain power, so as to have its minions race bait, attack Parkinson's victims, and defame decorated veterans really deserve to maintain said power?
 
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hatvol96 said:
True. But does a party desperate enough to retain power, so as to have its minions race bait, attack Parkinson's victims, and defame decorated veterans really deserve to maintain said power?
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I really don't think we want to get into a back and forth over election tactics . . . We'd be here for weeks citing examples. Both sides do it, and IMO it's never accidental.
 
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hatvol96 said:
True. But does a party desperate enough to retain power, so as to have its minions race bait, attack Parkinson's victims, and defame decorated veterans really deserve to maintain said power?
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Thank the Lord that the democrats never race bait or use fear mongering techniques or have pedophiles, criminals, etc. One half of this country is just too dumb to realize it...
 
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hatvol96 said:
True. But does a party desperate enough to retain power, so as to have its minions race bait, attack Parkinson's victims, and defame decorated veterans really deserve to maintain said power?
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The Dems and Reps are no different, either will do whatever it takes to maintain power or gain it.

This line of how evil Reps are is silly. Robert Byrd and Dems are against racism 100% throughout the party I am sure.
 
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The point is that the GOP places itself on some moral high pedestal that they are above doing this and decry it when Dems do it only to do it themselves. The difference? Dems haven't used morality as a platform issue and worn it constantly on their sleeves.
 
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allvol123 said:
The Dems and Reps are no different, either will do whatever it takes to maintain power or gain it.

This line of how evil Reps are is silly. Robert Byrd and Dems are against racism 100% throughout the party I am sure.
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Byrd is a bad guy, no doubt. However, the party of Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, Pat Buchanan, etc. doesn't exactly have recent history on their side in matters of race.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Byrd is a bad guy, no doubt. However, the party of Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, Pat Buchanan, etc. doesn't exactly have recent history on their side in matters of race.
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You're right in some ways, but one distinct difference is that none of those three you listed actually holds office right now.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Really? You said no one you know saw this as racist and neither did you. But they did and commented on it. But somehow it is OK for you to assume your opinion and them NOT to assume theirs.
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I haven't accused "people" of reacting a certain way. Until I have/had evidence that people reacted that way, I don't accuse.

When Lou Dobbs or the NAACP says people will see it that way, they are suggesting some group of people will but they have no specific knowledge that it is true.

Another distinction is that Lou Dobbs for example is not claiming that he is offended by interracial relationships but rather it is offensive because "others" will see it this way and potentially be swayed in their voting. He is in effect accusing others of some reaction that he himself didn't have. Or do interracial relationships really bother him :question:
 
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volinbham said:
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The over-arching point of my posts is too suggest that there is way too much micro-analysis of motives, messages etc. I personally doubt the average voter digs into so deeply - I certainly don't. I would vote Ford or Corker based on which one I thought could best do the job. While political operatives may play these games, IMHO they are simply that - games. Your analysis that the Reps are delighted because of the reaction assumes quite a bit of deep analysis of political motives that drive the typical voter.

In short, it is a very cynical view of the average voter. They are simply pawns with simple buttons to push. Do any of us fit into that category? No. But we can talk about those "simple" voters out there who aren't as sophisticated...
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You are the exception. There are milions upon millions of mindless folks out there that react in the moment, not with thought to the long haul. Vote for who you want to based on thinking things through, not who someone tells you to vote for because if you do, it means a liberal woman becomes Speaker of the House, or a black man (Charlie Rangel) becomes chairman of House Ways and Means.


volinbham said:
Thank the Lord that the democrats never race bait or use fear mongering techniques or have pedophiles, criminals, etc. One half of this country is just too dumb to realize it...
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Sigh. Just airing the commerical on Ford, and having the Democrats react the way they did, is EXACTLY the perfect world for the GOP hit man that came up with it. He runs the commercial and it gets picked up as news, so more of the bored Republicans see it and realize they need to vote against the black guy.

Then, when the Democrats complain about it, they are labeled by the radio show guys as race baiting. So, some more of the bored Republicans go "Yeah, I hate it when they make everything about race. I'm going to go vote!"

And there's the opponent, doing his best Alfred E. Neuman impression of "Who? Me?" He denies sponsoring the commercial and politely (but quite equivocally) decries it. Claims he has asked the RNC to yank it. but they don't, not right away.

Meantime, damage is done. A few more of the GOP faithful are moved to action and fe more on top of that by virtue of the "race-baiting" reaction of the Democrats.
 
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Another question: Does the state of Tennessee really want a Senator with so little stroke that he can't have an ad pulled immediately? That show how much respect the RNC has for Bob Corker.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There are milions upon millions of mindless folks out there that react in the moment, not with thought to the long haul. Vote for who you want to based on thinking things through, not who someone tells you to vote for because if you do, it means a liberal woman becomes Speaker of the House, or a black man (Charlie Rangel) becomes chairman of House Ways and Means.
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I am amazed at all the posts attributing this tactic only to the Republican Party.
 
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GAVol said:
I am amazed at all the posts attributing this tactic only to the Republican Party.
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The Democrats can't use that tactic now, they're not the party in power. Fear of change is only effective for the incumbent party. The last time the Democrats really used the tactic was 1994. We all remember how that turned out for them.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You are the exception. There are milions upon millions of mindless folks out there that react in the moment, not with thought to the long haul. Vote for who you want to based on thinking things through, not who someone tells you to vote for because if you do, it means a liberal woman becomes Speaker of the House, or a black man (Charlie Rangel) becomes chairman of House Ways and Means.
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This is my point. Why is it so easy for people to say those other people are dumb but me - I'm the smart one. We have a wide variety of posters in this forum and I wouldn't consider any of them to be mindless. I may not agree with their issues but I hesitate to say they just hear an ad and vote accordingly. Voter research shows that voter turnout is quite low among people with limited education. Since less than 50% of the people eligible typically vote, now we are saying that only a small percentage of the population is "smart enough" to vote the issues.
 
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hatvol96 said:
The Democrats can't use that tactic now, they're not the party in power. Fear of change is only effective for the incumbent party. The last time the Democrats really used the tactic was 1994. We all remember how that turned out for them.
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The original topic of this thread is an example of the Dems using the tactic.

MJF says if you don't vote democrat, we can't cure people like me. Looks like a fear tactic to me.

I agree with GAVol - both parties try to push fear buttons - they simply choose different topics.
 
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volinbham said:
The original topic of this thread is an example of the Dems using the tactic.

MJF says if you don't vote democrat, we can't cure people like me. Looks like a fear tactic to me.

I agree with GAVol - both parties try to push fear buttons - they simply choose different topics.
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I think that is a little oversimplified, but there is some truth to what you say.
 
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volinbham said:
The original topic of this thread is an example of the Dems using the tactic.

MJF says if you don't vote democrat, we can't cure people like me. Looks like a fear tactic to me.

I agree with GAVol - both parties try to push fear buttons - they simply choose different topics.
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Not an accurate portrayal of the ads. Fox simply says that some scientists believe stem cell research is critical to Parkinson's research. He goes on to say one candidate supports it, one opposes it. That's not partisan, it's factual.
 
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