Limbaugh mocks Michael J. Fox political ad

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Just now started looking at this thread. Some thoughts...

A/The Ford ad did exactly what it's creators intended. Create a device worthy of national exposure for it's content. Of course they pulled it finally, but only after they no longer needed to run it because it was being seen more on the news than in the commercial breaks. It's now air time that doesn't have to be paid for. The greatest advertising in the world.

B/The democrats have an ally that is completely disengaged by attack politics. The 18-24 demographic. This age group is turned off by race baiting and supposed moral high grounds. Further, it appears they will be going to the polls this election. 48% was the number I heard the other night... 48% more 18-24s are actively aware of current house/senate races. Awareness means voters. Voters whose opinions lean toward tolerance. That does not bode well for republicans I think.

C/ The democrats are in error when they cry "woe is us" to attack ads. When they hit, the candidate needs to ask honestly of himself... "is there ANY truth in this?"... if yes, get out in front of it. Make it clear the opponent wishes to use small truth to obfuscate true issue. Crying about the politics only makes them appear weak.


This will get worse before the seventh, and the only one winning is the account executive at your local TV station.
[and at the rates they are forced to sell politicals for, even they are not doing as well as one might think]
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
B/The democrats have an ally that is completely disengaged by attack politics. The 18-24 demographic. This age group is turned off by race baiting and supposed moral high grounds. Further, it appears they will be going to the polls this election.
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How many times have we heard about this groundswell of young voters that is going to sway the election? Whether it's MTV's "Rock the Vote" or P Diddy's "Vote or Die" that demographic's turnout almost always disappoints. That on top of the fact that turnout will be lower due to it being an offyear election.
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
B/The democrats have an ally that is completely disengaged by attack politics. The 18-24 demographic. This age group is turned off by race baiting and supposed moral high grounds. Further, it appears they will be going to the polls this election. 48% was the number I heard the other night... 48% more 18-24s are actively aware of current house/senate races. Awareness means voters. Voters whose opinions lean toward tolerance. That does not bode well for republicans I think.
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Ah, yes. The demographic that doesn't like the idea of being sent to fight a war because of illogical foreign policy and familial grudges.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Not an accurate portrayal of the ads. Fox simply says that some scientists believe stem cell research is critical to Parkinson's research. He goes on to say one candidate supports it, one opposes it. That's not partisan, it's factual.
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The ad says one candidate does not support extension of stem cell research. Further it says the same candidate either voted or is attempting to criminalize activities associated with the research. Finally, it says that while Missouri is just one race it will impact the future of the research to find a cure suggesting the democratic control of the Senate is pivotal to further this research on which a cure could be based. Message a vote for Talent reduces the likelihood of finding a cure for my disease.
 
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volinbham said:
The ad says one candidate does not support extension of stem cell research. Further it says the same candidate either voted or is attempting to criminalize activities associated with the research. Finally, it says that while Missouri is just one race it will impact the future of the research to find a cure suggesting the democratic control of the Senate is pivotal to further this research on which a cure could be based. Message a vote for Talent reduces the likelihood of finding a cure for my disease.
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What portion of that is inaccurate? If the truth is scary, so be it.
 
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I haven't said it's inaccurate. However, like so many ads on both sides it takes a series of "facts" and puts them together to suggest an outcome. Misleading perhaps? Either way, the point is it is a fear tactic.

For example, I assume the "criminalization" part refers to the Amendment debate in Missouri. By placing the statement that Talent is against extending stem cell research just prior to a vague statement that he supports "criminalizing" some aspect of research it leaves an impression that Talent is so against stem cell research that he is trying to make it illegal. That is not the case.

Further, there is no evidence that embryonic stem cell research will lead to a cure however, the statements are arranged to walk the viewer down a path of Talent wants to criminalize research that could cure Parkinsons.

That said, I don't have any problem with the ad (as far as political ads go). Just suggesting that it is a fear tactic ad as so many political ads are. Eg. vote for the other guy and some bad things will happen.
 
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volinbham said:
I haven't said it's inaccurate. However, like so many ads on both sides it takes a series of "facts" and puts them together to suggest an outcome. Misleading perhaps? Either way, the point is it is a fear tactic.

For example, I assume the "criminalization" part refers to the Amendment debate in Missouri. By placing the statement that Talent is against extending stem cell research just prior to a vague statement that he supports "criminalizing" some aspect of research it leaves an impression that Talent is so against stem cell research that he is trying to make it illegal. That is not the case.

Further, there is no evidence that embryonic stem cell research will lead to a cure however, the statements are arranged to walk the viewer down a path of Talent wants to criminalize research that could cure Parkinsons.

That said, I don't have any problem with the ad (as far as political ads go). Just suggesting that it is a fear tactic ad as so many political ads are. Eg. vote for the other guy and some bad things will happen.[/quote]


Like Pelosi becoming Speaker, illegal Mexican immigrants impregnating our daughters, and mushroom clouds on the horizon, right?
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lawgator1 said:
volinbham said:
I haven't said it's inaccurate. However, like so many ads on both sides it takes a series of "facts" and puts them together to suggest an outcome. Misleading perhaps? Either way, the point is it is a fear tactic.

For example, I assume the "criminalization" part refers to the Amendment debate in Missouri. By placing the statement that Talent is against extending stem cell research just prior to a vague statement that he supports "criminalizing" some aspect of research it leaves an impression that Talent is so against stem cell research that he is trying to make it illegal. That is not the case.

Further, there is no evidence that embryonic stem cell research will lead to a cure however, the statements are arranged to walk the viewer down a path of Talent wants to criminalize research that could cure Parkinsons.

That said, I don't have any problem with the ad (as far as political ads go). Just suggesting that it is a fear tactic ad as so many political ads are. Eg. vote for the other guy and some bad things will happen.[/quote]


Like Pelosi becoming Speaker, illegal Mexican immigrants impregnating our daughters, and mushroom clouds on the horizon, right?
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Absolutely. No where in this thread have I intended to suggest that Republicans don't use attack ads or fear tactics. On the otherhand, the Democrats use them as well.
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lawgator1 said:
Like Pelosi becoming Speaker, illegal Mexican immigrants impregnating our daughters, and mushroom clouds on the horizon, right?
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What are we debating? Of course it's the same thing. Some just seem to want to label Fox's ad as a PSA when it is what it is . . . a political ad generated by a political party.
 
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Okay, so we are all agreed that Fox's ad was an ad designed to evoke some fear that, if you voted the wrong way, then embryonic stem cell research might be cured and that would be bad for long range efforts to cure diseases like Parkinson's.

And we are all agreed that it is a fair political strategy.

Are we also agreed that Limbaugh's attack on Fox as either exaggerating or outright intentionally manufacturing his symptoms was just plain mean-spirited?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Okay, so we are all agreed that Fox's ad was an ad designed to evoke some fear that, if you voted the wrong way, then embryonic stem cell research might be cured and that would be bad for long range efforts to cure diseases like Parkinson's.

And we are all agreed that it is a fair political strategy.

Are we also agreed that Limbaugh's attack on Fox as either exaggerating or outright intentionally manufacturing his symptoms was just plain mean-spirited?
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Dumb too.

The only point he made that I agree with is that if you step into the political arena, you should be prepared to be attacked.

That said, the way Limbaugh attacked him was wrong.
 
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Rush's listeners want to hear that tripe, and that's OK, they tune in to hear it.

What was wrong was the news shows carrying it word for word to those who would just as soon not know what the nutball is saying...

I guess it was news, but it could more easily have been characterized, rather than giving the blowhard a national platform from which to spew...
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
Rush's listeners want to hear that tripe, and that's OK, they tune in to hear it.

What was wrong was the news shows carrying it word for word to those who would just as soon not know what the nutball is saying...

I guess it was news, but it could more easily have been characterized, rather than giving the blowhard a national platform from which to spew...
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Why do you think it got so much air time? I've seen it over and over.
 
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The thing is though, the news media IMO has completely blown what he said out of proportion. If you go back and look at what he said, it may have been a little over the line, but he was clearly not gratuitously making fun of the handicapped as it's being portrayed in some circles.
 
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There's a lot of irony here. Disabilities caused by illness or disease. Medication. Over-medication.
 
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GAVol said:
The thing is though, the news media IMO has completely blown what he said out of proportion. If you go back and look at what he said, it may have been a little over the line, but he was clearly not gratuitously making fun of the handicapped as it's being portrayed in some circles.
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Copy and paste his words up here and let's discuss them....:)
 
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