Limitations of a "West Coast" Offense

[Vol865]

They run the crap out of inside zone and pound it down people's throats. Your probably couldn't even diagram a power play and just think it's cool because of the name.

Power is an off tackle C gap play, inside zone is as straight ahead as it gets. The blocking for inside is basically old school veer blocking and very similiar to full back dive where you just double team the dline and try to run through the lb.

To call them non physical for being a zone team is beyond ignorant. Alabama has been a zone team since Saban arrived. Are they not physical to you?

I played guard. I know what power is lol.

Teams run zone because u move the DL laterally instead of back which means they are easier to move. Inside zone isn't a power running play. Considering my team ran inside zone more than anything I would know that. I love zone blocking but it's not a power play. The RB reads play side DT and makes a cut.

That's why teams that run zone want smaller, quicker linemen.

 

[Vol8188]

I played guard. I know what power is lol.

Teams run zone because u move the DL laterally instead of back which means they are easier to move. Inside zone isn't a power running play. Considering my team ran inside zone more than anything I would know that. I love zone blocking but it's not a power play. The RB reads play side DT and makes a cut.

That's why teams that run zone want smaller, quicker linemen.

How exactly is inside zone less physical than power? And I see you avoided my question about Alabama. Do you feel that their running game isn't physical?

Also only outside zone plays involve a lateral push. On inside zone you are straight ahead and trying to get a vertical push.

 

[Vol865]

How exactly is inside zone less physical than power? And I see you avoided my question about Alabama. Do you feel that their running game isn't physical?

Also only outside zone plays involve a lateral push. On inside zone you are straight ahead and trying to get a vertical push.

Alabama runs more than just zone. And physical players don't mean the play itself is designed to overpower someone.

Power involves combo blocks and blocking a man. Which means u have to straight up man handle the opponent to open a hole.

And no inside zone doesn't work that way that's why it's called zone. You take a hard lateral step at a 45° angle and block whoever shows in your zone. That's why it's called zone blocking. On inside zone which is what we ran u the RB reads the playside DT in 4-3 and DE in 3-4. Then makes a cut based on him and also has the option of the cutback lane. You are thinking of Iso.

Power plays are plays like Iso, Blast, Power, Trap

 

[Vol8188]

Alabama runs more than just zone. And physical players don't mean the play itself is designed to overpower someone.

Power involves combo blocks and blocking a man. Which means u have to straight up man handle the opponent to open a hole.

And no inside zone doesn't work that way that's why it's called zone. You take a hard lateral step at a 45° angle and block whoever shows in your zone. That's why it's called zone blocking. On inside zone which is what we ran u the RB reads the playside DT in 4-3 and DE in 3-4. Then makes a cut based on him and also has the option of the cutback lane. You are thinking of Iso.

Power plays are plays like Iso, Blast, Power, Trap

I'm not thinking of ISO. Inside zone involves a vertical push. And all zone blocks are essentially combo blocks. If you end up on a double team, one of you end up coming off onto the lb depending on which way he goes. Just like the combo block on a power play.

And now you're trying to pretend that power is more physical because you block a "man". Do you believe that you block a woman on zone? Even of you step to an area you still end up blocking someone.

And for your comment about Alabama, they've primarily been a zone team since Saban arrived. Sure they run other things, everyone does. But their main play is zone.

A lot of the most physical backs of the last couple of decades where zone runners. Terrell Davis, Ron Dayne, Adrian Foster, Marshawn Lynch, and Michael Turner are just a few.

 

[Vol865]

I'm not thinking of ISO. Inside zone involves a vertical push. And all zone blocks are essentially combo blocks. If you end up on a double team, one of you end up coming off onto the lb depending on which way he goes. Just like the combo block on a power play.

And now you're trying to pretend that power is more physical because you block a "man". Do you believe that you block a woman on zone? Even of you step to an area you still end up blocking someone.

And for your comment about Alabama, they've primarily been a zone team since Saban arrived. Sure they run other things, everyone does. But their main play is zone.

A lot of the most physical backs of the last couple of decades where zone runners. Terrell Davis, Ron Dayne, Adrian Foster, Marshawn Lynch, and Michael Turner are just a few.

Like I said Oregon doesn't have a physical run game like u think they do and their scheme is a large part of that. Better players make it work better just like any other system. Zone blocking is way for smaller lineman to take bigger lineman that they can't over power out of the play. You don't even block them head on. You drive them by the corner of their shoulder pads. But keep reading ur little diagrams and telling me how football works.

There's a reason all these smaller teams run the spread instead of a pro style offense.

 

[Vol8188]

Like I said Oregon doesn't have a physical run game like u think they do and their scheme is a large part of that. Better players make it work better just like any other system. Zone blocking is way for smaller lineman to take bigger lineman that they can't over power out of the play. You don't even block them head on. You drive them by the corner of their shoulder pads. But keep reading ur little diagrams and telling me how football works.

There's a reason all these smaller teams run the spread instead of a pro style offense.

If you watched Oregon play under chip Kelly, they were very physical and ran a ton of inside zone. Their offensive line was one of the best in the nation, and they had an extremely physical back in Blount.

And drive them by the corner of their shoulder pads? I've coached online, and no one teaches that. But that doesn't sound far from the angles down blocking or kickout blocked involved in the power play.

And teams run spread to get the qb involved. It helps them compete, because you are now playing 11 on 11 in the running game.

Also most "pro teams" in both the NFL and college are zone teams.

 

[UNAVol89]

We don't run a west coast offense.

 

[Vol8188]

We don't run a west coast offense.

Actually.... Our passing game is derived from the west coast offense.

 

[Vol865]

If you watched Oregon play under chip Kelly, they were very physical and ran a ton of inside zone. Their offensive line was one of the best in the nation, and they had an extremely physical back in Blount.

And drive them by the corner of their shoulder pads? I've coached online, and no one teaches that. But that doesn't sound far from the angles down blocking or kickout blocked involved in the power play.

And teams run spread to get the qb involved. It helps them compete, because you are now playing 11 on 11 in the running game.

Also most "pro teams" in both the NFL and college are zone teams.

Is Blount there anymore? No, they had Thomas and Tyner. Players don't make the scheme itself physical, the just make the team physical.

And yes that's how u block on zone. U jack them underneath the corner of their shoulder pads to get them off balance then u move them at a 45° angle downfield.

It's a great play, just isn't a physical play by design.

I'm not gonna post anything else about it.

 

[UNAVol89]

Actually.... Our passing game is derived from the west coast offense.

Everything is derived from a WCO these days. But we don't run a west coast offense.

 

[Vol8188]

Is Blount there anymore? No, they had Thomas and Tyner. Players don't make the scheme itself physical, the just make the team physical.

And yes that's how u block on zone. U jack them underneath the corner of their shoulder pads to get them off balance then u move them at a 45° angle downfield.

It's a great play, just isn't a physical play by design.

I'm not gonna post anything else about it.

That is nowhere near how you block inside zone. You aim for the near number and put your play side leg in their crotch. That way if your on a double team, the other player can attack the opposite number.

 

[Vol8188]

Everything is derived from a WCO these days. But we don't run a west coast offense.

I think it's hard to fit anything into a box like that. But our passing game is west coast.

 

[Vol865]

That is nowhere near how you block inside zone. You aim for the near number and put your play side leg in their crotch. That way if your on a double team, the other player can attack the opposite number.

https://xandolabs.com/conceptblockingsystem/member/blockzone.html

Displacing Defenders on the Inside Zone

The inside zone is a play that works off the displacement of defensive players, with the intent of getting them moving laterally down the line of scrimmage and cutting up into a gap where they have vacated. The common misconception about the inside zone is that it's a straight ahead play and that's entirely false. You rely off the displacement of the defensive lineman or linebackers to find the spots that are vacated. It's anything but a downhill play. It's a slow-to-fast play where we're taking a look and seeing how defensive linemen have displaced themselves laterally. The whole idea of the play is to get the LB to run in the direction that we are running, hold lineman with combination blocks and find the spots in-between.

 

[Vol865]

And its not always a combo block so u put ur helmet in front of them and turn their shoulder pads just like ur driving a car and drive ur feet

I've said all I need to say....There it is.....peace

 

[Vol8188]

https://xandolabs.com/conceptblockingsystem/member/blockzone.html

Displacing Defenders on the Inside Zone

The inside zone is a play that works off the displacement of defensive players, with the intent of getting them moving laterally down the line of scrimmage and cutting up into a gap where they have vacated. The common misconception about the inside zone is that it's a straight ahead play and that's entirely false. You rely off the displacement of the defensive lineman or linebackers to find the spots that are vacated. It's anything but a downhill play. It's a slow-to-fast play where we're taking a look and seeing how defensive linemen have displaced themselves laterally. The whole idea of the play is to get the LB to run in the direction that we are running, hold lineman with combination blocks and find the spots in-between.

Once again you're thinking of outside zone. But don't take my word for it, take Chip Kelly's:

http://www.trojanfootballanalysis.com/pdfdocs/oregonruns.pdf

2nd page, 2nd paragraph: "The inside zone is our go to work play. It has become our signature play.We want to get off the ball and be a physical down hill running team. This is not a finesse play. We want to come off the ball, create a double team, knock the crap out of the defender, and deposit him in the linebackers lap. This is physical football."

Notice he speaks of driving the defensive lineman back into the lbs, not to the sideline.

 

[Vol865]

Once again you're thinking of outside zone. But don't take my word for it, take Chip Kelly's:

http://www.trojanfootballanalysis.com/pdfdocs/oregonruns.pdf

2nd page, 2nd paragraph: "The inside zone is our go to work play. It has become our signature play.We want to get off the ball and be a physical down hill running team. This is not a finesse play. We want to come off the ball, create a double team, knock the crap out of the defender, and deposit him in the linebackers lap. This is physical football."

Notice he speaks of driving the defensive lineman back into the lbs, not to the sideline.

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