Liz Cheney D- Wyoming

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825VOL said:
Unpopular opinion, but every single member of congress should be voted out for voting for any of these monstrosities that have become custom with our legislative bills- both present and past ones. They all encompass too many unrelated items and are filled with waste.
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Agreed... and both parties are to blame. Nobody gets a pass. Republicans pretend to care about the debt and bloated, pork-ridden appropriations bills whenever a Democrat is the President of the United States.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Agreed... and both parties are to blame. Nobody gets a pass. Republicans pretend to care about the debt and bloated, pork-ridden appropriations bills whenever a Democrat is the President of the United States.
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The vast majority of those in Congress and the White House only care if it is the “other guy” spending the money. Their only true care is to get re-elected and continue enriching themselves. To act like either group is better than the other is laughable. They try to keep us divided and at each other’s throats so we can’t see the grift coming from Congress. If the American public ever woke up, they would march on D.C. to toss everyone of them out on their asses, and reclaim their rights given to them in the constitution .
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Agreed... and both parties are to blame. Nobody gets a pass. Republicans pretend to care about the debt and bloated, pork-ridden appropriations bills whenever a Democrat is the President of the United States.
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I agree. It's the same hypocrisy Dems show pretending to care about the marginalized.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump has everything to do with it. Republicans aren't disenchanted with Liz Cheney over her stance on policies. She votes straight down the Republican party line. Republicans are being vindictive towards her because of her criticism of Donald Trump, her vote for impeachment, and her participation on the January 6th committee.
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You guys blame Trump for everything. Grow up. Chaney votes straight down the party line? Lol. Hilarious. She is a RINO. It’s got nothing to do with Trump. He is a civilian now.
 
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825VOL said:
The vast majority of those in Congress and the White House only care if it is the “other guy” spending the money. Their only true care is to get re-elected and continue enriching themselves. To act like either group is better than the other is laughable. They try to keep us divided and at each other’s throats so we can’t see the grift coming from Congress. If the American public ever woke up, they would march on D.C. to toss everyone of them out on their asses, and reclaim their rights given to them in the constitution .
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This post deserves a million likes. Both parties, Congress, the Senate, the House they are all total garbage. They steal money and do nothing but create the divide that has slowly been tearing this country apart decades after decade.

When a Republican is in office the excuse is, we can’t get anything done because of Democrats. When a Democrat is in charge, they can’t get anything done because if Republicans. Instead of both parties acting like adults who give a damn about what’s best for America, they complain, fight, bicker and berate one another all while collecting exorbitant salaries off the sweat of American workers.

Our two party system makes me sick.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
You guys blame Trump for everything. Grow up. Chaney votes straight down the party line? Lol. Hilarious. She is a RINO. It’s got nothing to do with Trump. He is a civilian now.
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Exactly. Trump has only been in politics since 2016. Blaming Trump on everything is getting old. The reason they do it is because they don't want to take full responsibility for their party's failures.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
You guys blame Trump for everything. Grow up. Chaney votes straight down the party line? Lol. Hilarious. She is a RINO. It’s got nothing to do with Trump. He is a civilian now.
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That is ignorant.

Tracking Congress In The Age Of Trump

She is one of the most conservative members of the House. She voted with Donald Trump's position 92.9% of the time, during his presidency. That was an even higher rate of support for the Trump agenda, than what her replacement as the Chair of the House Republican Conference, Elise Stefanik has given.

Calling Liz Cheney a RINO can not possibly be based on her voting record. She does vote straight down the Republican party line on matters of policy, as I said. The only times she has ever broken ranks with the leadership of the Republican Party are on matters concerning the conduct of Donald Trump.
 
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hog88 said:
Liz’s problem is she’s too much like her dad and more interested in her pocketbook and power than she is her constituents.
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I wasn't aware that there were any politicians more interested in their constituents than their pocketbook and power.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Exactly. Trump has only been in politics since 2016. Blaming Trump on everything is getting old. The reason they do it is because they don't want to take full responsibility for their party's failures.
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You just replied "Exactly" to a profoundly ignorant post. See post #59. Do facts matter to anyone on here? Liz Cheney is NOT a RINO. She is more of a true conservative than even Donald Trump.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is ignorant.

Tracking Congress In The Age Of Trump

She is one of the most conservative members of the House. She voted with Donald Trump's position 92.9% of the time, during his presidency. That was an even higher rate of support for the Trump agenda, than what her replacement as the Chair of the House Republican Conference, Elise Stefanik has given.

https://washingtonpost.com/opinions...a-than-stefanik-trump-only-cares-loyalty-him/

Calling Liz Cheney a RINO can not possibly be based on her voting record. She does vote straight down the Republican party line on matters of policy, as I said. The only times she has ever broken ranks with the leadership of the Republican Party are on matters concerning the conduct of Donald Trump.
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She is not a conservative, she just votes party line. She went after Trump for 1 reason and it wasn't about principles, it was for publicity. It backfired on her and she'll pay the price by losing her seat, the people of WY will simply replace her with another party line vote and she can go on to a lucrative career at a cable newstainment outlet.
 
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05_never_again said:
I wasn't aware that there were any politicians more interested in their constituents than their pocketbook and power.
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I may be naive but I hope there are a few, can't name any off the top of my head but I still hope there are some.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You just replied "Exactly" to a profoundly ignorant post. See post #59. Do facts matter to anyone on here? Liz Cheney is NOT a RINO. She is more of a true conservative than even Donald Trump.
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She's not a conservative in the least and neither was Trump.
 
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hog88 said:
I may be naive but I hope there are a few, can't name any off the top of my head but I still hope there are some.
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I think there might be some, a pretty small number, whose words are a genuine reflection of their actual opinion. I think Ron Paul was that way, and I think Bernie Sanders (even though I disagree with every word he's ever said pretty much) actually genuinely believes what he's saying. I totally disagree, but I don't think he's saying that just to get election...he actually believes that's the way things should be.

However, I'm not sure there are any who are actually interested in others more than themselves, and the vast majority of them are chameleons who will say and do whatever they need to to have their constituents elect them. Bill Clinton is probably the epitome of this - he could have played a right-wing conservative or left-wing progressive just as well as he played his moderate liberal shtick. It's an act.
 
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hog88 said:
She is not a conservative, she just votes party line. She went after Trump for 1 reason and it wasn't about principles, it was for publicity. It backfired on her and she'll pay the price by losing her seat, the people of WY will simply replace her with another party line vote and she can go on to a lucrative career at a cable newstainment outlet.
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She is a conservative... and you are pretending to be a mind reader now, which is what I've been accused of in the past. Your opinion doesn't make any sense, though. She didn't need publicity. She already had a high profile. Her stance on Trump probably will cost her a seat in Congress, and I'm sure she has weighed that possibility, which makes it clear that her stance was more likely to have been taken on principle, than for reasons concerning career ambitions.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
She is a conservative... and you are pretending to be a mind reader now, which is what I've been accused of in the past. Your opinion doesn't make any sense, though. She didn't need publicity. She already had a high profile. Her stance on Trump probably will cost her a seat in Congress, and I'm sure she has weighed that possibility, which makes it clear that her stance was more likely to have been taken on principle, than for reasons concerning career ambitions.
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She voted right along with her R compatriots for out of control spending so she is not a conservative. And yes she went after Trump for publicity, hoping it would help her in a run for the WH. She miscalculated, nothing more than that.
 
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hog88 said:
She voted right along with her R compatriots for out of control spending so she is not a conservative. And yes she went after Trump for publicity, hoping it would help her in a run for the WH. She miscalculated, nothing more than that.
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A run for the White House? Your mind-reading skills have taken you down the path of the ridiculous. She had nothing to gain professionally from being the lone red state Republican voice of dissent against Donald Trump. The only thing which makes any sense is that her positions on Trump are based on principles. and are void of ulterior, selfish motives.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
A run for the White House? Your mind-reading skills have taken you down the path of the ridiculous. She had nothing to gain professionally from being the lone red state Republican voice of dissent against Donald Trump. The only thing which makes any sense is that her positions on Trump are based on principles. and are void of ulterior, selfish motives.
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Ted Cruz, Liz Cheney trade barbs over her best chance to win in 2024: 'The Democratic primary'

Rep. Liz Cheney not ruling out 2024 presidential bid

Is Liz Cheney going to run for president? - CNNPolitics

Yeah, she's been positioning herself to make a run in 2024 and figured being anti-Trump would garner her support from the media and she could campaign in the Bush/Romney/McCain mold as a centrist. She probably thought her seat would be safe in WY no matter what she did and she might have made a big mistake.
 
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hog88 said:
Ted Cruz, Liz Cheney trade barbs over her best chance to win in 2024: 'The Democratic primary'

Rep. Liz Cheney not ruling out 2024 presidential bid

Is Liz Cheney going to run for president? - CNNPolitics

Yeah, she's been positioning herself to make a run in 2024 and figured being anti-Trump would garner her support from the media and she could campaign in the Bush/Romney/McCain mold as a centrist. She probably thought her seat would be safe in WY no matter what she did and she might have made a big mistake.
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My point was, if a presidential run was on her mind when deciding whether or not to publicly oppose Trump's conduct, then she wouldn't have gone against Republican Party leadership. She wouldn't have voted in favor of impeachment and she wouldn't be on the January 6th committee. These decisions do not work in favor of her obtaining the nomination of the Republican Party.

You are trying to argue that her positions against Trump have risen out of career ambition, and that doesn't make any sense. And you are not a mind reader.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
My point was, if a presidential run was on her mind when deciding whether or not to denounce Trump, then she wouldn't have opposed Republican Party leadership. She wouldn't have voted in favor of impeachment and she be on the January 6th committee. These decisions do not work in favor of her obtaining the nomination of the Republican Party.

You are trying to argue that her positions against Trump have risen out of career ambition, and that doesn't make any sense.
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Any R that opposes Trump instantly becomes a media darling, it's free publicity and campaign ads. When's the last time anyone outside of WY even knew the name of WYs lone representative? She thought she could take those positions, get publicity and make herself a household name without risking her seat in solidly red WY.
 
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hog88 said:
Any R that opposes Trump instantly becomes a media darling, it's free publicity and campaign ads. When's the last time anyone outside of WY even knew the name of WYs lone representative? She thought she could take those positions, get publicity and make herself a household name without risking her seat in solidly red WY.
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Which might bode well for her, if she wants to be a panelist on "The View", but your argument is that she was motivated by an ambition to become President, and in order for that to happen, she would first have to earn the nomination of the Republican Party. If that was what truly motivated her, then she would be bowing at the alter of Trump, like every other Republican in Congress does. Her positions against Trump will end her career in Congress. She had to know that was at least a possibility beforehand.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Which might bode well for her, if she wants to be a panelist on "The View", but your argument is that she was motivated by an ambition to become President, and in order for that to happen, she would first have to earn the nomination of the Republican Party. If that was what truly motivated her, then she would be bowing at the alter of Trump, like every other Republican in Congress does. Her positions against Trump will end her career in Congress. She had to know that was at least a possibility beforehand.
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Again, she didn't think she would endanger her seat. She bet that she would have another 2 years to enjoy the publicity before she formally announced. Normally people wanting to run for POTUS start positioning themselves 3-5 years in advance and the only way for her to gain notoriety was to be the anti-Trump. She was playing the long game and it looks like she will loose.
 
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hog88 said:
Again, she didn't think she would endanger her seat. She bet that she would have another 2 years to enjoy the publicity before she formally announced. Normally people wanting to run for POTUS start positioning themselves 3-5 years in advance and the only way for her to gain notoriety was to be the anti-Trump. She was playing the long game and it looks like she will loose.
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Again, you are trying to play the role of a mind-reader.

It doesn't make any sense that publicly breaking with Republican Party leadership and siding against Donald Trump would be of benefit to her political career. She is not some political neophyte. She was raised by a politician, and she understands how the game is played. If she was angling for a future presidential run, she would have cozied up to Trump like every other Republican has done. That is the safe play, and politicians with big ambitions usually do play it safe.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Again, you are trying to play the role of a mind-reader.

It doesn't make any sense that publicly breaking with Republican Party leadership and siding against Donald Trump would be of benefit to her political career. She is not some political neophyte. She was raised by a politician, and she understands how the game is played. If she was angling for a future presidential run, she would have cozied up to Trump like every other Republican has done. That is the safe play, and politicians with big ambitions usually do play it safe.
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She wouldn't even be able to sniff the nomination being in Trump's camp because NOBODY would know who the **** she is. She had to distinguish herself and get her name out. She did that in a big way but it will probably cost her her seat.
 
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