Lol hopson

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#151
TennesseeFan07 said:
Any other coach would have pushed Hopson to reach his full potential or made him hit the road.
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You said Scotty would be on an NBA roster and drafted if with another coach. You didn't include hit the road as an option. Go back and look at SG's from 2008 and see how many you recognize. Remember, all this was hyped early by his rating after playing in southern ky where he was a better athlete than anyone around him in hs.

I don't know what good it would have done anyone to see Hopson quit or run off from a program. Right now, he still has a chance, and the holdup has nothing to do with a coach not developing his skillset.
 
#152
#152
BasketvolsFan said:
Pearl was so excited about getting a 5* kid to sign that he felt he had to play him. He didn't push him and require that he give maximum effort to be a starter. He couldn't bring in a 5* and afford not to play him, hoping that more of those type players would come. Hopson took advantage of the situation, didn't give his best effort to improve or play hard every game. It came back to bite him, as it usually does in that situation.
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Some is true, but what other options did BP have to play in front of Hopson?
Players flop all the time guys. We just never had to worry about it because we weren't getting players with a lot of hype attached to them.
 
#153
#153
pl3 said:
Some is true, but what other options did BP have to play in front of Hopson?
Players flop all the time guys. We just never had to worry about it because we weren't getting players with a lot of hype attached to them.
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One simple solution presented itself. Pearl could have simply took out Scotty and insert anyone else. If that didn't send Hopson a message then he's not meant to be a UT basketball player.
 
#154
#154
pl3 said:
You said Scotty would be on an NBA roster and drafted if with another coach. You didn't include hit the road as an option. Go back and look at SG's from 2008 and see how many you recognize. Remember, all this was hyped early by his rating after playing in southern ky where he was a better athlete than anyone around him in hs.

I don't know what good it would have done anyone to see Hopson quit or run off from a program. Right now, he still has a chance, and the holdup has nothing to do with a coach not developing his skillset.
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Your mind set, to me is a skill, that can be developed which would have improved his rebounding and consistency on defense.
 
#155
#155
pl3 said:
You have your mind made up, regardless, and are stuck on the nba deal. It's such a tired argument to hear that a coach with a top 10 winning % has players getting worse under his watch. Doesn't that sound ridiculous?
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You have your mind made up that I'm saying our players got worse as they stuck with us. I have said one thing and one thing only: Bruce couldn't develop talent. I've said nothing else. There's a big difference between that and players regressing in their abilities. I honestly don't even know what you're arguing about. I'm more pointing out something that happened rather than suggesting a debatable opinion.
 
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#156
Chris4Vols22 said:
You have your mind made up that I'm saying our players got worse as they stuck with us. I have said one thing and one thing only: Bruce couldn't develop talent. I've said nothing else. There's a big difference between that and players regressing in their abilities. I honestly don't even know what you're arguing about. I'm more pointing out something that happened rather than suggesting a debatable opinion.
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I agree Chris. There are few exceptions where players got better. Pearl recruited well enough to have players that enabled him to win, but they never really got better throughout their career. Tatum is a very good example. Lofton is the exception as he improved every facet of his game, except shooting. I suspect he did that basically on his own.
 
#157
#157
BasketvolsFan said:
I agree Chris. There are few exceptions where players got better. Pearl recruited well enough to have players that enabled him to win, but they never really got better throughout their career. Tatum is a very good example. Lofton is the exception as he improved every facet of his game, except shooting. I suspect he did that basically on his own.
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That's just bitterness. BP doesn't and shouldn't get much credit for "developing" Harris because he was pretty much ready when he came to campus. BP also doesn't get credit for a guy like Lofton being one of the top Vols of all time because "he basically did it on his own". Doesn't hold water. At least be objective.
 
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#158
Why does it not hold water? Lofton was a great shooter when he arrived. He did improve defensively, driving to the basket, and ball-handling while at UT. He became a better all around player. I made the statement that he basically must have done it on his own due to his work ethic and desire to be the best he could be. I gave Pearl little credit due to the large number of other players who did not show improvement during their career. Do you think Pearl only attempted to coach Lofton toward improvement?
 
#159
#159
Jajuan Smith probably developed more than any other player while Bruce was here. Josh Tabb was en route to developing into a very solid player before his departure. Outside of those 2 and C-Lo... Is there even an argument about Bruce's ability to develop talent... or lack thereof?
 
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#161
BasketvolsFan said:
Why does it not hold water? Lofton was a great shooter when he arrived. He did improve defensively, driving to the basket, and ball-handling while at UT. He became a better all around player. I made the statement that he basically must have done it on his own due to his work ethic and desire to be the best he could be. I gave Pearl little credit due to the large number of other players who did not show improvement during their career. Do you think Pearl only attempted to coach Lofton toward improvement?
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Because you blame BP for the shortcomings of some players and, at the same time, give him no credit for players that improved.
 
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#163
pl3 said:
You said Scotty would be on an NBA roster and drafted if with another coach. You didn't include hit the road as an option. Go back and look at SG's from 2008 and see how many you recognize. Remember, all this was hyped early by his rating after playing in southern ky where he was a better athlete than anyone around him in hs.

I don't know what good it would have done anyone to see Hopson quit or run off from a program. Right now, he still has a chance, and the holdup has nothing to do with a coach not developing his skillset.
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Overall:
Scout.com: Men's Basketball Recruiting
He was 7th, and everyone in the top 10 but him is on an NBA team. He was also 5 spots ahead of Kemba Walker.

At his position:
Scout.com: Men's Basketball Recruiting
He was the #2 SF, and #1, #3 and #4 are all in the NBA. If you list him as a SG, everyone in the top 5 but him is in the NBA. (Ignoring Buford, who's still at OSU, Hopson is right in between Jrue Holiday, Tyreke Evans, Elliot Williams, and Iman Shumpert--four first-round picks.)
 
#164
#164
Someone that may or may not be related to Scotty posted on his FB about a recent development that does not involve European leagues.

"They didnt call your name Thurs but look at whats happening now....haha everything happens for a reason. No overseas for you lil bro!!!!!"
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Could be something, could be nothing. And I have better reasons than the "lil bro" comment to guess that these two may be related.
 
#165
#165
Riiiight.... Tyler would love for all of us UT fans to think that was the case. There was a reason Ramar and T-Smiff had beef. T-Smiff & Ramar are both thugs. One of my best friends lived across from T-Smiff @ The Grove, and dirt was going on at his place. Tyler was worried about a lot of stuff off the court, and I am not blaming Pearl for that, but Pearl should've kicked Tyler off when we let Ramar go instead of waiting on Tyler to give him a 9th reason to kick him off the team!
 
#166
#166
Chris4Vols22 said:
Someone that may or may not be related to Scotty posted on his FB about a recent development that does not involve European leagues.



Could be something, could be nothing. And I have better reasons than the "lil bro" comment to guess that these two may be related.
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He will be on an NBA roster when/if the season begins. I have said it all along. Him getting drafted with a latter 2nd round pick would've been worse than not getting drafted and picking and choosing which teams he wants to go work out for and which teams want to see more from him. Good luck Scotty! You deserve it
 
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#167
pl3 said:
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That's just bitterness. BP doesn't and shouldn't get much credit for "developing" Harris because he was pretty much ready when he came to campus. BP also doesn't get credit for a guy like Lofton being one of the top Vols of all time because "he basically did it on his own". Doesn't hold water. At least be objective.
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Lofton and Harris were the two hardest working players Pearl had at Tennessee.
 
#168
#168
Chris4Vols22 said:
You have your mind made up that I'm saying our players got worse as they stuck with us. I have said one thing and one thing only: Bruce couldn't develop talent. I've said nothing else. There's a big difference between that and players regressing in their abilities. I honestly don't even know what you're arguing about. I'm more pointing out something that happened rather than suggesting a debatable opinion.
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This has always been my stance on the Pearl staff. Any good players he had pretty much were what they were. Self-motivated players did what self-motivated players will do under anyone. But you take a kid that expects things to be given and put them in that system and you get what was the norm. Lots of buildup and no payoff.

Was Hopson obviously the most talented 2 guard we had? Yes he was but here is the thing damn near the only position pearl ever recruited was 2 guard. The fact he never sat the kid and let one of the other less talented guys play instead as a teaching moment. The fact he didn't use the mind game of this guy coming in is your replacement.

I mean yeah the other options were not so nice but fact is the gap between the Scotty Hopson we say on the court and the other options we had was not so big. Remember what happened when we lost Smith who was hands down the best player on the team on potential and on court performance? The team got better.

In Pearls tenure how many players did he recruit and graduate to the NBA and how many of those came in with a Pedigree that said NBA talent even entering their senior years? I mean seriously if you were an NBA talent on a Pearl coached team the worst thing you could do for your career was play another year.
 
#169
#169
pimo1 said:
In Pearls tenure how many players did he recruit and graduate to the NBA and how many of those came in with a Pedigree that said NBA talent even entering their senior years? I mean seriously if you were an NBA talent on a Pearl coached team the worst thing you could do for your career was play another year.
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This is a good point. The longer you played under Pearl, the lower your draft stock seemed to go. (See Hopson and Tyler Smith.) It's not that they were getting worse, it's that they would return with everyone expecting improvement/development/leadership and then come fall, nothing would really change from the season before. Hopson probably could have been drafted after 1 year on potential (Josh Selby), but after 3-4 years you'd better have something else to point to or NBA personnel are going to wonder why not.
 
#170
#170
VKAman said:
This is a good point. The longer you played under Pearl, the lower your draft stock seemed to go. (See Hopson and Tyler Smith.) It's not that they were getting worse, it's that they would return with everyone expecting improvement/development/leadership and then come fall, nothing would really change from the season before. Hopson probably could have been drafted after 1 year on potential (Josh Selby), but after 3-4 years you'd better have something else to point to or NBA personnel are going to wonder why not.
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Exactly that. Scotty Hopson left here a better physical player than he came but his improvement was from practicing and working out and playing games.Mentally he was still a dumb kid. I mean seriously to say to an NBA scout/GM he was a lottery pick? What the heck was going on here that he could have thought that? At no point did the coaching staff give him a reality check? Or if they did did he listen?
 
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