Looking back, should not have fired Phil

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BeattieFeathers said:
Looks like a lot of teams in the sec are predicted to struggle because of losing their qb. As for sanders, he's good enough to work for jimbo fisher and coach a heisman winner.
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Sanders was always a decent QB coach. Fisher to his great credit recognized that. He was a terrible OC in two different stops. The Peter Principle applies here.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Auburn was a unique situation when they fired chizik and replaced him with malzahn. That was akin to Tennessee firing majors and replacing him with Fulmer. Both men had been offensive coordinators and had a number of supporters.
Auburn made the right decision, but our sorry record reflects that we did not. There is no such thing as a trend when it comes to coaching careers. I prefer to look at peaks and valleys. Look at bear Bryant and joepa for examples. Coach Fulmer would have gotten us back to atlanta at least once if not twice. He would have fixed it.
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Auburn's situation with Chizik was that he wasn't getting it done. So they fired him, NC or no.

As for Bryant, by valley do you mean the two 6-5 seasons after he'd won 3 national titles at Alabama? He coached 37 years and had one sub .500 season.

The only valley for Paterno was after he'd been at Penn State for 35 years. He had 1 sub .500 season prior to that.
 
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Not apples to apples imo. Fulmer was forced to go to the spread after 2007 and hire Dave Clawson to run it. They recruited to it one year, fired Fulmer and Kiffin told 2 spread qb's to look elsewhere. Tahj Boyd and Bryce Petty.

You're gonna 'fix it' with a spread offense that you get to put in one off season and then go with it? Fulmer recruited 2 stud spread qb's and then gets fired and the offense is canned and we go right back to the offense we had before. We deserve what we got.

Then..........Dooley does the same damn thing on defense with Sunseri and the 3-4 when the offense was finally going good again.

Butch gets it I think, but really mostly all he has to do is not fall on the grenades that the administration lobs in his path. Well...........Dooley pulled the pin and swallowed his grenade while the admin watched.
 
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ksgovols said:
Not apples to apples imo. Fulmer was forced to go to the spread after 2007 and hire Dave Clawson to run it. They recruited to it one year, fired Fulmer and Kiffin told 2 spread qb's to look elsewhere. Tahj Boyd and Bryce Petty.

You're gonna 'fix it' with a spread offense that you get to put in one off season and then go with it? Fulmer recruited 2 stud spread qb's and then gets fired and the offense is canned and we go right back to the offense we had before. We deserve what we got.

Then..........Dooley does the same damn thing on defense with Sunseri and the 3-4 when the offense was finally going good again.

Butch gets it I think, but really mostly all he has to do is not fall on the grenades that the administration lobs in his path. Well...........Dooley pulled the pin and swallowed his grenade while the admin watched.
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Clawson's offense was the exact opposite of the spread.

He liked to keep things tight, a ton of trips sets. He liked individual match ups. Spread is more read and react. Clawson's offense was the west coast offense from the NFL on crack. There's truly nothing like it in football.
 
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sjt18 said:
Sanders was always a decent QB coach. Fisher to his great credit recognized that. He was a terrible OC in two different stops. The Peter Principle applies here.
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Peter Principle? Does that have anything to do with "size matters?"
 
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UTodd01 said:
Clawson's offense was the exact opposite of the spread.

He liked to keep things tight, a ton of trips sets. He liked individual match ups. Spread is more read and react. Clawson's offense was the west coast offense from the NFL on crack. There's truly nothing like it in football.
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Sounds a lot like Sal's defense. Truly nothing like it in football.
 
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UTodd01 said:
Clawson's offense was the exact opposite of the spread.

He liked to keep things tight, a ton of trips sets. He liked individual match ups. Spread is more read and react. Clawson's offense was the west coast offense from the NFL on crack. There's truly nothing like it in football.
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and there's a reason there's nothing like it, when he was here we were about 115th in overall offense

He sucked
 
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Yes..and also looking back we probably should not have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Hindsight is always 20/20.
 
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sjt18 said:
There was NOTHING... Absolutely NOTHING... when Fulmer was finally pushed out that suggested things were turning around, that he understood how to turn it around, or that he even fully accepted that anything had to be turned around. He was full well committed to driving UT even further in the hole.

What has been seen since is typical. Not fun. But typical.

UT will struggle until they find the right coach. It will be an ELITE, not "good", HC that can recruit, discipline the program, develop talent, and get it done on gameday. That may be Jones or it may take another change. The one thing UT cannot do is the very thing you advocate... tolerate low or ambiguous standards for its HC and program.

You don't by chance work for the federal gov't do you? That's about the only place someone can "succeed" while embracing mediocrity.
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We should have kept Fulmer until we got CBJ. He was heads and shoulders above Kiffin and Dooley as a coach. At least we would have had stability, a few more winning seasons and no violations.
 
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vol_in_ar said:
and there's a reason there's nothing like it, when he was here we were about 115th in overall offense

He sucked
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Clawson with time has an excellent offense. His teams at BG were very good considering he rebuilt that program. I think he will do good at wake forest.

Clawson didn't have his O staff, and Fulmer did not let him do his job either.
 
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Burger said:
Clawson with time has an excellent offense. His teams at BG were very good considering he rebuilt that program. I think he will do good at wake forest.

Clawson didn't have his O staff, and Fulmer did not let him do his job either.
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did you see Clawson against UCLA, we averaged almost 8 yards a carry in the first half, and he pissed away the game in the second half, by moving away from the running game

Or how about Auburn, when we just needed a FG, to put the game away, and couldn't manage that either...

He sucked here, and look at the stats, they support it
 
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vol_in_ar said:
did you see Clawson against UCLA, we averaged almost 8 yards a carry in the first half, and he pissed away the game in the second half, by moving away from the running game

Or how about Auburn, when we just needed a FG, to put the game away, and couldn't manage that either...

He sucked here, and look at the stats, they support it
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He did suck here. We all realize that. The question is why ?

He was successful before joining the TN staff and he has been successful since leaving. He is a good coach, he has proven that.
 
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Burger said:
Clawson with time has an excellent offense. His teams at BG were very good considering he rebuilt that program. I think he will do good at wake forest.

Clawson didn't have his O staff, and Fulmer did not let him do his job either.
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Clawson's offense was much different than Fulmer's and (as you stated) Clawson did not have "his" staff. Unfortunely, Clawson only had a staff that knew how to "pound that rock."
 
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Burger said:
Clawson with time has an excellent offense. His teams at BG were very good considering he rebuilt that program. I think he will do good at wake forest.

Clawson didn't have his O staff, and Fulmer did not let him do his job either.
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Maybe it would have been but just going with it the assumption that it would have been great and he had been given enough leash to be able to do it, how much time would it have taken? Would this fan base as well as the administration been content in waiting in the defense that the OC is getting his offense together? I dont think so. Keep in mind that barely 10 months after taking us to the SECCG they were ready to can the coach. There wasnt anyone screaming "give it time for them to learn the offense".

UT was and is a bit different that BG where he had more freedom to build it because there wasnt anything to lose being they were not only bad but they were a mid major. If youre in a power conference and have been a major contender time isnt on your side. Its instant gratification and success or you're a loser so move on. Its a shame but that's just the landscape of cfb today.
 
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We keep Fulmer until he leaves on his own terms and we keep Chavis as DC. Chief's defense gives most offenses a little breathing room.

Clawson's offense didn't work here because the personnel we had here didn't suit it. Spread, west coast or triple option, we were recruiting dual threat qb's to run his offense in the future. The future was that one year, 2008. Kiffin came in and went right back to the pro sets that Hamilton et al tried to force Fulmer to scrap. Three if not 4 offense retoolings in 4 years under 3 head coaches and 4 offensive coordinators.

It was bound to fail.
 
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ksgovols said:
We keep Fulmer until he leaves on his own terms and we keep Chavis as DC. Chief's defense gives most offenses a little breathing room.

Clawson's offense didn't work here because the personnel we had here didn't suit it. Spread, west coast or triple option, we were recruiting dual threat qb's to run his offense in the future. The future was that one year, 2008. Kiffin came in and went right back to the pro sets that Hamilton et al tried to force Fulmer to scrap. Three if not 4 offense retoolings in 4 years under 3 head coaches and 4 offensive coordinators.

It was bound to fail.
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I would seriously doubt that Mike Hamilton tried to force Fulmer to scrap his offense.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Should've been gone in 2005. The reason you don't see extended fall off in Auburn or Bama is that they have loyalty to the program and not the coach. If Saban has 2 5 win seasons in 4 years, he'll be gone too. Auburn fired a coach a year removed from the NC and fired Tubby 2 years removed from 13-0. We hung onto the anchor until we were in so deep it was going to take a while to swim back to the top, hiring another anchor in Dooley certainly didn't aid the cause.
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Sooo, he was coming off back to back 10-3 seasons in 2005. He has one 5 win season and you wanted him gone?
 
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Gramps said:
He did suck here. We all realize that. The question is why ?

He was successful before joining the TN staff and he has been successful since leaving. He is a good coach, he has proven that.
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because he was coaching at smaller schools, when he came to a big boy conference, and school he failed
 
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