Looking back, should not have fired Phil

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BeattieFeathers said:
Wow are you serious? Speaking of FSU, did you know their qb coach was Randy Sanders? The same Randy Sanders that was vilified by our all knowing fan base? :lolabove:
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I wonder why he became such a good coach after he left Kentucky. Could it be the players that he coaches?
 
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Slydell said:
Majors in the the HOF as a player, not a coach, as far as I know.
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I thought he was in the HOF for his overall contribution to football. If only in the Hall as a player, then I can understand that. But he rebuilt 3 programs, Iowa State, Pitt, and UT. UT was a mess when he got here. By the way, I thought Majors needed to be replaced by CPF when it happened.
 
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Ace said:
I thought he was in the HOF for his overall contribution to football. If only in the Hall as a player, then I can understand that. But he rebuilt 3 programs, Iowa State, Pitt, and UT. UT was a mess when he got here. By the way, I thought Majors needed to be replaced by CPF when it happened.
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The whole family of Majors is in the Tennessee Sports Hall of Fame.
 
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Ace said:
Neyland built a program. Majors built a program. Fulmer inherited a program and took it to a NC level. All three are HOF coaches.
CBJ is attempting to do what Neyland and Majors did. Can he do it? Who knows, but he has had a better start than Kiffin or Dooley.
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Easy to 'build' with 6 SEC games, 3 of which were always Vanderbilt, Kentucky and Ole Miss far removed from their glory days. Losing record against Alabama, Auburn, Florida and Georgia.

I liked Majors as a front man. Everything went through him and he was a tough taskmaster and went through staff like a knife through hot butter. He'd lost his edge in recruiting in his latter years.

If Fulmer's success is proportional to Chavis and Cutcliffe, then Majors is just as proportionate to Walt Harris, Donahue/Marmie.

I've wondered if anyone will be allowed to break Neyland's record for wins?
 
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ksgovols said:
Easy to 'build' with 6 SEC games, 3 of which were always Vanderbilt, Kentucky and Ole Miss far removed from their glory days. Losing record against Alabama, Auburn, Florida and Georgia.

I liked Majors as a front man. Everything went through him and he was a tough taskmaster and went through staff like a knife through hot butter. He'd lost his edge in recruiting in his latter years.

If Fulmer's success is proportional to Chavis and Cutcliffe, then Majors is just as proportionate to Walt Harris, Donahue/Marmie.

I've wondered if anyone will be allowed to break Neyland's record for wins?
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Do you think that's why Dooley was fired?
 
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ksgovols said:
Easy to 'build' with 6 SEC games, 3 of which were always Vanderbilt, Kentucky and Ole Miss far removed from their glory days. Losing record against Alabama, Auburn, Florida and Georgia.

I liked Majors as a front man. Everything went through him and he was a tough taskmaster and went through staff like a knife through hot butter. He'd lost his edge in recruiting in his latter years.

If Fulmer's success is proportional to Chavis and Cutcliffe, then Majors is just as proportionate to Walt Harris, Donahue/Marmie.

I've wondered if anyone will be allowed to break Neyland's record for wins?
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Majors did not lose his edge recruiting. He left Phil with a lot of talent. He lost touch with the players once they got on campus. CPF replaced Majors at the right time and CPF was the right man for the job. Kiffin replaced CPF at the right time, but he nor Dooley were the right men for the job. Time will only tell if CBJ will indeed Rise To The Top.

To my knowledge I did not say anything about coordinators.
 
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How long y'all gone be lookin back? There ain't a damn thing anybody in the world can do to change the past. Hope you all enjoy your reminiscing but I'm gonna have to look toward the future.
 
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I honestly think his time was over. Yeah we got to Atlanta the year before, but let's be honest....we got lucky to win some of those games. Not saying we didn't deserve to go, we were good in 2006 too, but we weren't good in 2005 either when we were preseason #3 I think. We should not have had 2 losing seasons in 4 years under him. He's a Tennessee legend and he did UT a lot of favors, but he got lazy in recruiting towards the end that killed us. If anything, we shouldn't have hired Kiffin. He never deserved this job and it came back to bite us when he left. Al Davis, if I remember right, even said he would destroy our program. If we would've hired somebody like Kevin Sumlin (who I heard was interested in the job when we let Fulmer go) we wouldn't be in this position. Hiring Kiffin was what hurt us...not firing Fulmer. Having said all this though, it's in the past. Let it go. We have Butch and I love Butch. The guy will get us back. Go vols!
 
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Ace said:
I thought he was in the HOF for his overall contribution to football. If only in the Hall as a player, then I can understand that. But he rebuilt 3 programs, Iowa State, Pitt, and UT. UT was a mess when he got here. By the way, I thought Majors needed to be replaced by CPF when it happened.
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I'm not sure "rebuilt" is the proper term for his time at Iowa State, especially if the term's being used for his careers at Pitt and UT.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I wonder why he became such a good coach after he left Kentucky. Could it be the players that he coaches?
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Sanders was a good coach at TN. He just happened to be Fulmers 1st fall guy. We would have been better off if Sanders stayed and Fulmer left, imo.
 
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2009 7 6 Lane Kiffin
2010 6 7 Derek Dooley
2011 5 7 Dooley
2012 5 7 Dooley 4-7/Jim Chaney 1-0
2013 5 7 Butch Jones
 
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Gramps said:
Sanders was a good coach at TN. He just happened to be Fulmers 1st fall guy. We would have been better off if Sanders stayed and Fulmer left, imo.
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Whatever you say. All I know is that the very next year after Sanders was let go, U.T.'s scoring went from #100 in the country at 18.6 ppg to #27 with an additional 9 points per game scoring average per game, and then another 5 points per game the next year after that. So we went from 18 to 32 points per game in 2 years. Almost double. Probably just dumb luck.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Whatever you say. All I know is that the very next year after Sanders was let go, U.T.'s scoring went from #100 in the country at 18.6 ppg to #27 with an additional 9 points per game scoring average per game, and then another 5 points per game the next year after that. So we went from 18 to 32 points per game in 2 years. Almost double. Probably just dumb luck.
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It's not that simple but cut is better than sanders but sanders is pretty good in his own right. Fans need to expect that in modern football, if you have an inexperience qb, you will struggle. In year 2005, Ainge returned from a horrible season ending injury the year before and in 2008, we changed systems and had a qb who was hamstrung by playing for his third qb coach. Never was there a more put upon and unfairly criticized qb than Jon crompton.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
One year removed from Atlanta. Should have tried harder to get Cutcliffe instead of Fooley. Phil was hamstrung in who he could hire by Hamilton. We have made enough blunders to last a lifetime.:hi:
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yea, cause some other SEC team will hire him and start beating us, uhh, I guess not!!!!!
 
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Phil's shelf life wuz long past by the time he was shown the door. Good Riddance to phatty Mcphat, the back stabbing bozo.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
It's not that simple but cut is better than sanders but sanders is pretty good in his own right. Fans need to expect that in modern football, if you have an inexperience qb, you will struggle. In year 2005, Ainge returned from a horrible season ending injury the year before and in 2008, we changed systems and had a qb who was hamstrung by playing for his third qb coach. Never was there a more put upon and unfairly criticized qb than Jon crompton.
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Holy cow. If you aren't a troll... you are completely out of your mind!!! Sanders was HORRIBLE. Fulmer's inability to lay personal loyalty to Sanders aside in favor of the program more than any other thing cost Fulmer his job. Fulmer could have still been coach AND have never experienced those down years if he had seen what was obvious by about 2002 and cut Sanders loose.

Since leaving UT... where has Sanders had success as an OC? He can't even get a job as an OC anymore.

And Cut? He seems to be doing fine having turned Duke into a credible offensive football team... and mentoring Roper into a job with UF.

Ainge's struggles are DIRECTLY related to Sanders' incompetence.

You are also one of the biggest excuse makers I think I have ever seen. Teams with new QB's don't always or perhaps even usually struggle. Auburn had a new QB this past year. FSU had a new QB as well... BOTH BCS CG contenders. And Winston won the Heisman!
 
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ImportedVoL said:
out of 17 seasons.. he only won 8 games 3 times and had 2 losing seasons.. but 8 wins would be the best he could do now?
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He probably wouldn't for three simple and plain reasons. He never really learned how to choose and manage a staff. Personal loyalties always got in the way of getting rid of guys who weren't getting it done like Sanders and Slade. Second, he flat refused to change as the game changed. Lastly, he for whatever reason completely lost control of team discipline both on and off the field.
 
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