Looking back, should not have fired Phil

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gunner said:
It's hard to deny the fact that the program that he inherited was in much better shape than the one he left behind.
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I have never denied that.

it is also true, the SEC when he took over was a much easier SEC than today's SEC or the SEC of Fulmer's last several years. Now there were plenty of great players on the UT teams of 89-92 but they had an easier road.

Fulmer also had a lot to do with getting those players on those teams...

I don't deny CPFs faults. I also don't ignore what he did that was good.
 
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1972 Grad said:
And the reason that I didn't mention Vince Dooley in my original post is people like you. Some of you cannot move along, forget the past, and give Vince Dooley his due, because his son was not able to turn a crappy football team into world beaters.

There are numerous "Bash Derek Dooley" threads on Vol Nation. My post is about Vince Dooley. VINCE DOOLEY. Have you ever heard of him?
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You also forgot to mention that Majors built/rebuilt 3 programs and won a National Championship (same number as Vince).

If Johnny had stayed at Pitt he could've won a lot more games and had a much better career W-L record than he had by returning to UT and cleaning up the mess Battle left behind.
 
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CountVolcula said:
I see this a lot and it makes me laugh

Hamilton didn't wipe his ass without permission from certain boosters.

If he had orchestrated that whole deal, his butt would have been gone right after the firing

Its comical to me to think our AD, especially Hamilton was the sole person behind the firing. He was just the ax man for more powerful players that saw what needed to be done
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he did have to go a certain booster and get his okay before doing anything. But Hammy did organize the support to make the move. That certain booster did not initiate the actions but did not stand in the way at that time either.

Hammy had some other booster support but none had the power to make it happen without the one guy saying yes.

No he couldn't do it on his own but he certainly put together the plan to make it happen.

JMO
 
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ajvol01 said:
You also forgot to mention that Majors built/rebuilt 3 programs and won a National Championship (same number as Vince).

If Johnny had stayed at Pitt he could've won a lot more games and had a much better career W-L record than he had by returning to UT and cleaning up the mess Battle left behind.
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Maybe true, but that wasn't the post to which I responded. Someone stated that Vince Dooley and Majors had similar records. They didn't. I have no idea which was the better coach.
 
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CountVolcula said:
I see this a lot and it makes me laugh

Hamilton didn't wipe his ass without permission from certain boosters.

If he had orchestrated that whole deal, his butt would have been gone right after the firing

Its comical to me to think our AD, especially Hamilton was the sole person behind the firing. He was just the ax man for more powerful players that saw what needed to be done
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Wonder how those players have been feeling about the program since then? Nothing against your post Count, just curious to what their thoughts might be now.
 
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Fulmer deserved the axe. He thought one NT should guarantee him a lifetime contract. That's not how life works, ole buddy. You slack, you're out. Bottom line. The mistake was hiring Nicky Satan's new pet weasel and that stupid disgrace to his father's legacy, Doolander.
 
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iluvsmesumdooley said:
Fulmer deserved the axe. He thought one NT should guarantee him a lifetime contract. That's not how life works, ole buddy. You slack, you're out. Bottom line. The mistake was hiring Nicky Satan's new pet weasel and that stupid disgrace to his father's legacy, Doolander.
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Nice username...sarcasm I hope
 
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iluvsmesumdooley said:
Fulmer deserved the axe. He thought one NT should guarantee him a lifetime contract. That's not how life works, ole buddy. You slack, you're out. Bottom line. The mistake was hiring Nicky Satan's new pet weasel and that stupid disgrace to his father's legacy, Doolander.
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The first mistake was hiring Kiffin.
 
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1972 Grad said:
And the reason that I didn't mention Vince Dooley in my original post is people like you. Some of you cannot move along, forget the past, and give Vince Dooley his due, because his son was not able to turn a crappy football team into world beaters.

There are numerous "Bash Derek Dooley" threads on Vol Nation. My post is about Vince Dooley. VINCE DOOLEY. Have you ever heard of him?
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Hey 1972 Grad,
I am not attacking you or Vince Dooley. Apparently CVD's greatness did not rub off on his son. I am just making the point that very rarely do the sons of great coaches become great coaches themselves. Maybe it is the pressure of living in their father's shadow.

By the way, CDD is bashed for more than failing to win. CDD was arrogant and alienated much of the team and much of the fan base. He destroyed the recruiting base here in the state of Tennessee. Many of the legacies of the 2014 class were not even considering UT as long as CDD was here.

We are just fortunate that CDD did lose as much as he did, because we are just a couple of wins away from CDD still being the coach.
 
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I'm just glad some of your fans are mature and bold enough o admit firing Fulmer was a mistake. There is NO WAY your program would be in this condition if you had kept Fulmer.

NO WAY.

You would have won another East crown by now, without question.
 
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Slydell said:
Wonder how those players have been feeling about the program since then? Nothing against your post Count, just curious to what their thoughts might be now.
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They were right, but just waited too long. They could be as much to blame because it's likely why Fulmer was in cruise control. I imagine he thought he had a job as long as he wanted because he thought they had his back.
 
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Making Hamilton AD was the biggest mistake they ever made in regards to how Fulmer's situation was handled. There was no over sight in regards to Phil at that point. He had a free pass to do whatever he wanted and he put it on cruise control.. When Dickey was here, Fulmer never could get too comfortable because he would have done what it took to correct it. Hamilton was a spineless jellyfish that let Fulmer get way to relaxed in his job..

Keeping Fulmer may have been better than going through what the program has went through over the last 6 years. Anyone thinking he was going to get Tennessee back to the top is fooling themselves. It was way past time to cann Phil. Should have shown him the door in 2005.. The board and others who run the show should share in the blame. They've sucked at decision making also for a very long time. Good thing Tennessee has loyal fans. The people who sucked at their jobs during that time sure thank you..
 
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Ace said:
Hey 1972 Grad,
I am not attacking you or Vince Dooley. Apparently CVD's greatness did not rub off on his son. I am just making the point that very rarely do the sons of great coaches become great coaches themselves. Maybe it is the pressure of living in their father's shadow.

By the way, CDD is bashed for more than failing to win. CDD was arrogant and alienated much of the team and much of the fan base. He destroyed the recruiting base here in the state of Tennessee. Many of the legacies of the 2014 class were not even considering UT as long as CDD was here.

We are just fortunate that CDD did lose as much as he did, because we are just a couple of wins away from CDD still being the coach.
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One really should not expect anything great from a person because of their last name. Their name is only that. It is not their skill set. Thanks for your response.
 
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Did not replace Phil soon enough. Two years too late IMO.

Tennessee Athletic Department and fan base have created its own problems. Now we all are reaping what was sowed.
 
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CountVolcula said:
They were right, but just waited too long. They could be as much to blame because it's likely why Fulmer was in cruise control. I imagine he thought he had a job as long as he wanted because he thought they had his back.
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He thought '98 guaranteed him a lifetime contract.
 
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The Waco Kid said:
I'm just glad some of your fans are mature and bold enough o admit firing Fulmer was a mistake. There is NO WAY your program would be in this condition if you had kept Fulmer.

NO WAY.

You would have won another East crown by now, without question.
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It has sickened me that we have been at our nadir when the East has never been more winnable in the history of the division.

We would have definitely been back in Atlanta with Fulmer / Tajh Boyd / Chief
 
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we shouldnt of made such a cheap hire with Kiffin.. he had zero qualifications as a HC. Dooley was hired because of his last name.
 
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The Waco Kid said:
I'm just glad some of your fans are mature and bold enough o admit firing Fulmer was a mistake. There is NO WAY your program would be in this condition if you had kept Fulmer.

NO WAY.

You would have won another East crown by now, without question.
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Thank you gator

In your opinion, is their a more unappreciated head coach in the history of the sec with respect to it's own fan base? It's mind boggling the number of Tennessee fans that hate a man whose record will never be replicated. Dave Clawson said it would take two years to implement his offense which everyone was on board with. Phil should have gotten the extra year and would have turned it around. Instead we got numb nuts and de facto probation.
 
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He should have been let go after the Vandy game in 05. We should have had an AD with some leadership in place before that. I think we got a great coach in place now. Go Vols!
 
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vol'96 said:
Did not replace Phil soon enough. Two years too late IMO.

Tennessee Athletic Department and fan base have created its own problems. Now we all are reaping what was sowed.
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So, Fulmer should have been fired two years earlier when the team went 9-4?
 
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Whatever happened to the classic Phil Fulmer thread in the football forum?

That one was great!
 
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