Looks like Gingrich will soon be in

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#76
JayVols said:
huh?

How are they different from any other lobbying group in DC?
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never said they were. Thing is that the changes they're going after are things that need to be fixed for us to move forward. Bring up almost any other lobby and I'd probably label them the same
 
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#77
utvolpj said:
never said they were. Thing is that the changes they're going after are things that need to be fixed for us to move forward. Bring up almost any other lobby and I'd probably label them the same
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fair enough
 
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lawgator1 said:
You feel that way because of what they advocate. No one is forced to belong to the AARP.
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yes i don't like the fact they advocate raping poor young people to give more money to rich old farts. but i'm not sure as to the point of the latter?
 
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#79
droski said:
i agree with you, but the aarp does seem particurally selfish and egregious.
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lawgator1 said:
You feel that way because of what they advocate. No one is forced to belong to the AARP.
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JayVols said:
Possibly, but you leave out the fact that the majority of lobbyists rip off non-members, namely the US taxpayer.

I think that all lobbying is legalized bribery and should be outlawed. But I will not accept the answer that one or another lobbying group is worse/better than any other just because an individual agrees/disagrees with what the lobby wants. They are all rotten, not just a few.
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droski said:
yes i don't like the fact they advocate raping poor young people to give more money to rich old farts. but i'm not sure as to the point of the latter?
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One of the most common criticisms of unions or collective lobbying organizations is that they are exploiting their own membership. The context of the above suggested that was what you are saying.

We can argue till the cows come home the merit of the positions they advocate and yes, a basic tenet of what they promote in terms of SS in particular is that the current workforce helps pay living expenses of the retired workforce.

I was just pointing out that an argument that the leadership of AARP takes advantage of its members is a very weak claim. Think I remember reading that some outfit was going to try to get a politically conservative alternative to the AARP up and running. Wonder how they are doing. My guess is not very well.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I was just pointing out that an argument that the leadership of AARP takes advantage of its members is a very weak claim. .
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they are selling overpriced and irresponsible products to their members. they are taking advantage of old people who don't know any better and using aarp's reputation among said old people to rip them off. they are absolutely taking advantage of their members and it's disgusting. go take a look a the website and tell me i'm wrong.
 
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#81
droski said:
they are selling overpriced and irresponsible products to their members. they are taking advantage of old people who don't know any better and using aarp's reputation among said old people to rip them off. they are absolutely taking advantage of their members and it's disgusting. go take a look a the website and tell me i'm wrong.
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Looked. What's so deceptive?
 
#82
#82
annuities, whole life insurance, rip off investments. all high fee crap old people don't need.
 
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#86
The last few days have proven why Newt simply has no chance. He's all over the map on key issues near and dear to the TP and the base. He's been an official candidate for a handful of days and he's already out of it.
 
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#87
lawgator1 said:
The last few days have proven why Newt simply has no chance. He's all over the map on key issues near and dear to the TP and the base. He's been an official candidate for a handful of days and he's already out of it.
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Agree but while stepping all over himself he did manage to say something I agree with...

"I don't think right-wing social engineering is any more desirable than left-wing social engineering," Gingrich said on NBC. "I don't think imposing radical change from the right or the left is a good way for a free society to operate."

SPIN METER: On health care, it's Newt vs. Newt - Yahoo! News--
 
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#88
Was it me or did he basically call the Ryan plan "social engineering?" I figured it was incredibly poor form to be critical of Ryan within the Republican party at this point in time. Not gonna win you a lot of friends.
 
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#89
WillisWG said:
Agree but while stepping all over himself he did manage to say something I agree with...

"I don't think right-wing social engineering is any more desirable than left-wing social engineering," Gingrich said on NBC. "I don't think imposing radical change from the right or the left is a good way for a free society to operate."

SPIN METER: On health care, it's Newt vs. Newt - Yahoo! News--
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Wow, I agree with that, too. He 'nailed' that one. No pun intended.
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#95
#95
Those words came from his heart, why would he have to defend them? Give it up Newt, your done.
 
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#98
Why do I get the feeling that Newt is simply this year's version of Fred Thompson? He just seems to be a pedestrian candidate that is just going through the motions... no real excitement or pop in his campaign. :ermm:
 
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#99
Rasputin_Vol said:
Why do I get the feeling that Newt is simply this year's version of Fred Thompson? He just seems to be a pedestrian candidate that is just going through the motions... no real excitement or pop in his campaign. :ermm:
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It's a little bit of a shame too. He's probably the smartest candidate in the field and definitely has the best working knowledge of Washington, but he just isn't very likable.
 
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