Looks like Pruitt & UT will have to vacate wins

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WBO said:
Can we finally pass a Tennessee Constitutional amendment prohibiting the Vols from hiring any coach that has any connection to the universities of Alabama or Florida?

Look at the crap we hired. Bill Battle (Alabama) who took 5 years to destroy the Top 5 program that Dickey had built. Pruitt who gets us sanctioned. OMG do not forget the Sunseri defenses during Dooley.

Dickey rebuilt the program but then ran out on us to go home to Florida. Woodruff, the AD who hired Battle (the DL coach at the time, never even a coordinator) over Majors, was from UF.

Can you just imagine what Johnny could have done starting with a Top 5 team instead of the wreck he took over in '77. Not to mention the staff he would have brought in from Iowa State. (Jackie Sherrill, Larry Lacewell, and Jimmy Johnson) Majors might have run the Bear out of the conference.

Besides, just having a Florida or Alabama guy in any of our programs just makes me feel dirty.
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Majors still had some growing and other personal issues to deal with, but, I do agree we could have found better coaches than Battle or Pruitt at the time of hires.
 
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If that's the worst thing that comes out of all this Pruitt mess then we should celebrate. Nothing lost. However its a mistake to try to predict the totally unpredictable NCAA.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
All 16 of them?
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No.

The illegal recruiting payments started in September 2018. And those "illegal players" came to campus in 2019, then started playing that fall.

So it is only the 2019 and 2020 seasons that are at risk of vacated wins: 11 of them.

It hurts, because it drops us out of the Top 10 all-time programs. It will take a long time to climb our way back in.
 
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cherokeeeVOL said:
If all we have to do is pretend that era never happened then count me in. I swear the NCAA is slower than the federal government at doing anything. That LSU case is from several years ago I believe?
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I couldn't care less about wins/losses in a disastrous season (I agree wholeheartedly!) This would be a wonderful end to that saga, if that was the only penalty that we got.
 
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Mose Phillip's Watch said:
Since LSU & Les lost their wins by the ncaa
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VFL-82-JP said:
No.

The illegal recruiting payments started in September 2018. And those "illegal players" came to campus in 2019, then started playing that fall.

So it is only the 2019 and 2020 seasons that are at risk of vacated wins: 11 of them.

It hurts, because it drops us out of the Top 10 all-time programs. It will take a long time to climb our way back in.
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I imagine the best insurance we have to get back eventually, if Heupel stays for awhile is to pass Nebraska. We're currently 45 games behind them and that would put us at 56. I don't see that program ever returning to prominence so that ground can be made up. We are currently tied with Southern Cal (which would become 11 back) and 1 game behind Georgia (which would become 12 back) however both of those programs are in pretty good shape right now ,so at best we'll be jockeying around with them in basically the same spot for a decade or more. It's probably more likely all 3 of us pass Nebraska by then than it is we pull way ahead of Southern Cal or Georgia again.
 
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I've read that LSU's vacating the wins for using a player who was ineligible because his family got money embezzled from a hospital foundation. Does it matter that the money was embezzled, or is it just that he got paid?
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I imagine the best insurance we have to get back eventually, if Heupel stays for awhile is to pass Nebraska. We're currently 45 games behind them and that would put us at 56. I don't see that program ever returning to prominence so that ground can be made up. We are currently tied with Southern Cal (which would become 11 back) and 1 game behind Georgia (which would become 12 back) however both of those programs are in pretty good shape right now ,so at best we'll be jockeying around with them in basically the same spot for a decade or more. It's probably more likely all 3 of us pass Nebraska by then than it is we pull way ahead of Southern Cal or Georgia again.
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I think we can catch back up with USCw. It might take 10 or 20 years, but we can, knock on wood, average a delta of 1 game per season on them. I mean, if we're going (average) 11.5-2.5 over the next two decades, which seems pretty reasonable, and they're only getting 10-3 each year*, then we will catch them.

UGa, I agree, that's a harder path. Just staying even enough to not lose MORE ground will be our challenge concerning the Dawgs. For the forseeable future, anyway.

Nebraska, I agree. They're the other "easy" target. Will still take decades, you don't make up a 50-game deficit quickly. Even if we're doing the 11.5/season thing, all they have to do to keep us at bay for a decade is go 7-5 or 7-6 over and over. Even weakened, they can do that.

Go Vols!



* USCw has only had 4 seasons with 10 or better wins in the past decade. Their average win rate over that time is 8 games. I hear you, they didn't have Lincoln Riley in charge for most of that. You're right. But they also weren't in the B10 playing Mich, Mich St, Ohio St, and Penn State before, either. Lincoln buoys them up, but meanwhile the higher level of competition drags them back down. They could absolutely average 10 or fewer wins/year over the next 10-20 years. We just have to do our part and win 11 or more. Heh.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Majors still had some growing and other personal issues to deal with, but, I do agree we could have found better coaches than Battle or Pruitt at the time of hires.
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Politely disagree. Our opening was for what was his 3rd year out of 4 at Iowa State, then 4 years at Pitt where he wins the NC. I think he had already figured it out, besides it was also before he started drinking a little too much. Look at his ability to find a great staff so early in their careers. He always had the ability to see excellent coaching talent in choosing his subordinates.
 
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WBO said:
Politely disagree. Our opening was for what was his 3rd year out of 4 at Iowa State, then 4 years at Pitt where he wins the NC. I think he had already figured it out, besides it was also before he started drinking a little too much. Look at his ability to find a great staff so early in their careers. He always had the ability to see excellent coaching talent in choosing his subordinates.
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At least you mentioned the drinking that is all I am saying... Major's staffs made a difference as well in his win loss coaching ability.
 
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Vacating wins LONG after the fact makes no sense. That's like telling me all the chicks I hooked up with didn't exist. Do I even remember their names? haha!
 
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Fortunately Pruitt didn’t beat anybody worth bragging about. Ky or Aub was his best win IMO.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
LSU vacating 37 wins will also give us some breathing room to stay ahead of them (they should now have 796), even if we vacate all 16 of Beldar's wins.
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It's crazy, that as bad as we've been for how long we've been, uga is 1 win ahead of us. If you listen to their fans, they've been king of the mountain for decades.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
It's crazy, that as bad as we've been for how long we've been, uga is 1 win ahead of us. If you listen to their fans, they've been king of the mountain for decades.
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Yeah, they have been creeping up on us for decades. We had a 57 game lead on them at the end of the 1971 season and since the sport fully integrated the next year and demographics gave them a big recruiting edge, they have made up 58 games on us. Would have probably have caught us sooner if not for the 90's when we beat them back some.
 
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