Looks Like The 'AA Has Declared Open Season On Phonies.

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Does it make me selfish that I'm more pissed Pearl lied because it used to be so much more fun in the basketball thread when I was (probably) the Chief Slurper and the Elite Eight happened? Those were the days....
 
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knowthevols said:
Have you ever watched FSS program called " In their own words ". They have been featuring Cal quiet a bit lately. Sounds like a paragon of virtue to me. lmao
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Again, I never said he was, just said he doesn't claim to be. He didn't do years of interviews acting like a martyr like Pearl did regarding the Ilinois scandal. Fans here act like Cal is paragon of virtue, but he isn't and doesn't claim to be. I will say again that from what I know of Cal compared to what I know of Pearl, off court wise, I respect Cal more. Doesn't say much though.
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shyster said:
Why the respect for Cal? Don't believe he lied?
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The NCAA hasn't charged him with it, that's all I know. I have read all about his past stops and I don't know. I know he hasn't been charged and Pearl has. I can only deal with facts. Again, I am not saying he is clean, but he has a huge target on his back so he would get tripped up eventually. I am talking about integrity, trying not to elaborate on Pearl's personal issues too much. I just said I respect Cal more than Pearl, not saying I have tons of respect for him. I know of some great things he has done that he has gone great lengths for others to know about. I am far, far, from being a Cal fan, don't get me wrong. I know it sounds confusing, just saying I respect him more than Pearl. If Cal was really dirty, he would not have been hired by Lee Todd, UK going through a lot of trouble to keep eye on things. He hasn't lied to NCAA, and all involved in past investigations have said he wasn't a part of anything. There are no facts to prove otherwise. We may believe he was, maybe he was, but there are no facts and UK has been reported twice since he has been there and nothing came of it. Again, those are just the facts, I don't know the truth, noone on this board does. We do know the truth about Pearl though. Just my take on things. Don't get it going around that I respect Cal, I just respect him more than Pearl. There is a long, long list of coaches that are in that category.
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#182
I really don't understand any defense of Cal by anyone other than a Big Blue Fan. Final Four appearance at UMASS under Cal-stripped. Memphis? Ditto. Didn't know that Rose's brother flew on the same plane as team to games in violation of NCAA rules? Laughable. Call Bruce a low life liar and call for his job. But not Cal? Amazing. Bruce's sin is that he had the audacity to admit he lied. Cal, Calhoun, etc didn't have the integrity to admit their shortcomings, and presto, they are clean and essentially unscathed.
 
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shyster said:
I really don't understand any defense of Cal by anyone other than a Big Blue Fan. Final Four appearance at UMASS under Cal-stripped. Memphis? Ditto. Didn't know that Rose's brother flew on the same plane as team to games in violation of NCAA rules? Laughable. Call Bruce a low life liar and call for his job. But not Cal? Amazing. Bruce's sin is that he had the audacity to admit he lied. Cal, Calhoun, etc didn't have the integrity to admit their shortcomings, and presto, they are clean and essentially unscathed.
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Didn't know you worked for the NCAA. You probably know that Pearl didn't have an attack of conscious and come clean then, right? You busted me, I am UK fan. So glad it's out. If I was a UK fan, I would want Pearl to stay, he hasn't exactly been a thorn in UK's side. Also, which one uf us wants Pearl to stay so the program can pay a bigger price for Pearl's actions at dispense of UT. Yep, but I am the one who isn't a real UT fan. My stating facts has nothing to do with fandom. I am a UT fan, not a Pearl fan. I am not defending Cal, nor did I call Pearl a lowlife. You really need to have some real dialogue without taking snippets of one's post and trying to flip it because facts are against you. Bottom line: Cal hasn't been charged with unethical conduct. Just stating facts, I know from the last thread that you aren't big on facts, but facts are one coach is getting nailed by AA and the other isn't. That's all I am saying.
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shyster said:
I really don't understand any defense of Cal by anyone other than a Big Blue Fan. Final Four appearance at UMASS under Cal-stripped. Memphis? Ditto. Didn't know that Rose's brother flew on the same plane as team to games in violation of NCAA rules? Laughable. Call Bruce a low life liar and call for his job. But not Cal? Amazing. Bruce's sin is that he had the audacity to admit he lied. Cal, Calhoun, etc didn't have the integrity to admit their shortcomings, and presto, they are clean and essentially unscathed.
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Also, why would I call for Cal's job? I couldn't care less if he does get caught and UK goes down. If he is a cheater, and I never said he wasn't just said he has been cleared twice, then he will go down and so will UK. How am I gonna call for a guys job when he hasn't been charged by AA. Seems silly. You should call the AA with the info that you have proving his guilt. Then all will be well.
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#187
Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to call you out as a UK fan. But in all honesty, I don't know how anyone can respect the history of Cal and the NCAA other than a UK fan, nor do I believe that anyone would defend the actions of BP other than a UT fan. It's that simple. Cal is slime oozing out from under a rock. His history at other gigs proves that. But he is UK's slime and they will defend him till the end, just like Memphis and UMass did until he left them. BP is Tennessee's problem child, and many who love UT will defend him until he's gone. If anyone's litmus test test is whether any particular person has lied or not, we are going to have a lot of teams that have no coaches. The same people in Lexington who called Cal a dirty coach ( and there many if you kept up with Cat Pause) now call him the best coach since Rupp. The hiring of Cal by UK in no way is proof that Cal runs clean programs.
 
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shyster said:
Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to call you out as a UK fan. But in all honesty, I don't know how anyone can respect the history of Cal and the NCAA other than a UK fan, nor do I believe that anyone would defend the actions of BP other than a UT fan. It's that simple. Cal is slime oozing out from under a rock. His history at other gigs proves that. But he is UK's slime and they will defend him till the end, just like Memphis and UMass did until he left them. BP is Tennessee's problem child, and many who love UT will defend him until he's gone. If anyone's litmus test test is whether any particular person has lied or not, we are going to have a lot of teams that have no coaches. The same people in Lexington who called Cal a dirty coach ( and there many if you kept up with Cat Pause) now call him the best coach since Rupp. The hiring of Cal by UK in no way is proof that Cal runs clean programs.
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You are right on the last part. I live in Lex and the fans definitely sing a diff tune.I don't have to keep up with Catspause I live amongst them. That is how I got started on this, saying fans act like he is perfect. Once again, I am not defending him, buit he hasn't been charged by NCAA so I can't treat him as being on level as Pearl. As I posted earlier, I don't know if he did or didn't, I just don't know. Go back and read earlier post and I say that. Nor did I say the hiring by UK proves innocence, but Lee Todd passed on him in 07 because he questioned his cleanliness. He checked it out, AA did too. You wrote that you wouldn't expect anyone who is not a UT fan to defend Pearl. That right there says it all. Why does someone have to defend unethical conduct just because he coaches my team? I am not going to defend someone who did wrong just because he is at UT. I think that is the real issue here, the thinking that anyone who doesn't defend Pearl isn't a real fan. As of now, according to the AA, he hasn't done anything. I don't convict someone for a crime he hasn't been charged with. Wouldn't be a great country if people started paying the price for crimes that they were assumed to have committed. I am in no way declaring him as a saint, just simply saying I have more respect for him than I do Pearl. My reasons for saying that really have little to do with all this. I just choose not to go into it. I dislike Cal as much as the next guy, I am not defending him. He tried to get a pro player eligible this fall for crying out loud. I just know he hasn't been charged and Pearl has and UK won't be under sanctions. Saying I respect Cal more than Pearl isn't saying I will be driving downtown to get him to sign my ball or anything. Do I think he is 100pct clean? No, I don't. I ust know he hasn't been charged for lying to the AA nor has he done some other things Pearl has done. It's just my take, brother.
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No issue here with you either. But for Cal to say that he did not know that D. Roses's brother flew on their Charter Plane with Memphis to away games is impossible to believe. It is just as ludicrous as BP denying where the picture was made. The only difference that I see is that BP came back and told the truth ( of course he was already caught) but Cal still denies knowing (and he was caught too). He skates, BP is crucified. I'm just saying that there is a moving line of right and wrong depending on the Coach. In my mind, Tressel will go right on without any additional reprisals and under no show cause order by NCAA. ANd where is the outrage there?
 
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shyster said:
I would love to hear your defense of Cal and/or Calhoun.
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I'm not defending either, but let's not be stupid enough to think that Pearl is in trouble because he was honest. That sounds like Buckeye fans saying Tressel didn't say anything about the ineligible players because he was trying to cooperate with the FBI.
 
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shyster said:
No issue here with you either. But for Cal to say that he did not know that D. Roses's brother flew on their Charter Plane with Memphis to away games is impossible to believe. It is just as ludicrous as BP denying where the picture was made. The only difference that I see is that BP came back and told the truth ( of course he was already caught) but Cal still denies knowing (and he was caught too). He skates, BP is crucified. I'm just saying that there is a moving line of right and wrong depending on the Coach. In my mind, Tressel will go right on without any additional reprisals and under no show cause order by NCAA. ANd where is the outrage there?
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NCAA hasn't caught Cal lying, I can't change that. What do you want us to do? Tressel will get hit hard, this thing just started. No way he doesn't get additional penalties, his crimes are worse than Pearl's. The outrage about Pearl, speaking for myself here, is because I care about UT. Tressel, Calhoun, Cal, etc are not my concern. I don't work for the AA and can't do a thing about those guys. Doesn't change what Pearl did and what it'll do to program. I think Tressel should have been fired last week, I thinl Calhoun got off light. I am not defending any of those guys. I just care about what Pearl did and the damage it'll do to UT. Tressel's actions don't make Pearl's actions more tolerable for me as a Vol fan.
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Sorry but I'm just a little incredulous that you can fly on a charter jet with 20 people and not know that Rose's brother is on there too. Not caught lying? Not by NCAA. That should tell us all a lot.
 
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shyster said:
Sorry but I'm just a little incredulous that you can fly on a charter jet with 20 people and not know that Rose's brother is on there too. Not caught lying? Not by NCAA. That should tell us all a lot.
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Is what it is. I get what you are saying, but AA hasn't charged him with unethical conduct. Has nothing to do with UT or Pearl. I believe if Cal has indeed been a cheater, that he will eventually get caught. The AA, being the joke that it is, is the governing body. They have charged Pearl and proven his lies and coverup. They haven't done so with Cal, would love if they do, but as of now they haven't. I find it hard to believe he hasn't known anything as well, but he hasn't been charged or even implicated so there is little I can do about it. Doesn't change UT's situation a bit. Part of what caught up with Pearl is his antics didn't sit with coaches and his holier than thou routine he pulled every tome he talked about the Illinois deal didn't sit well. Part of this is just Pearl not being liked and the wrong people wanting to see him go down. He just made it too easy on them.IMO
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Now we are are very much thinking alike. Scary, isn't it! I do believe that part of BP issues do come from a debt made a long time ago, that is now due and has to be paid. He dared to confront the good ole boy network and now that he is one, his time has come. The sins of BP are no worse than many of those out there. It's the hypocrisy of the whole thing that is an issue for me. But hypocrisy abounds. It takes an idiot or a Big Blue apologist to believe that Cal knew nothing of the issues that caused the stripping of two final four banners (UMass and Memphis) or even the Rose issue. That NCAA has done nothing to Cal is no defense (technically, everywhere he has been something has happened). Calhoun, again nothing happen. Tressel, I'll take odds that nothing will happen to him. BP' s past is what has the folks at ESPN all torn up, not the Barbecue lie, nor the bump.
 
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If BP gets a show cause order and nothing happens to Tressel, it's a joke, period. At least Calhoun's situation was a little different. Unless the NCAA simply didn't ask Tressel what happened in December, Tressel will have lied about something more serious. There's no way OSU should simply just be off the hook. It wouldn't really surprise me, though. Nothing happened to Newton while the kid from Baylor is suspended.
 
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