Looks Like The 'AA Has Declared Open Season On Phonies.

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tvols75 said:
So when did Frank Beamer do this, as you have mentioned his name.
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I'm pretty sure I didn't bring Beamer into the discussion. I simply mocked the idea that it would be shocking if a guy who has lived off fringe recruits his whole career got popped by the 'AA.
 
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I hope Pearl doesn't get manhandled by the ncaa.

That aside, from an institutional standpoint, for basically the same crime, OSU's vs UT's handling & penalties in this situation is very disparate & telling of the importance of doing things the right way at the respective institutions. I know the Big 10 has not enacted penalties as of yet, & likely won't for a while, but comparison of the recruiting (none for Tressell by OSU), monetary- puney, & all aspects of the "penalties" handed down, OSU's is a f'ing joke. Barely a slap on the wrist for sweater vest vs a meter stick to the arse for Pearl. So, good for UT, & shame on OSU.
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hatvol96 said:
I'm pretty sure I didn't bring Beamer into the discussion. I simply mocked the idea that it would be shocking if a guy who has lived off fringe recruits his whole career got popped by the 'AA.
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I'm perfectly willing to put Beamer on that list.
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AlaskaVol said:
Sounds like a bunch of guys that just want all coaches destroyed if they are not as pure as Jesus. Maybe there is some morose humor in this thread and a lot of us just don't get it. Humor too dark for ordinary humans. Humor that sets the NegaVols apart. Or did all of you get cut from the JV team and decide to hate coaches from there on.
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What makes it hilarious is a bunch of lawyers preaching
ethics.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Come on lawvol. They're just the victims of the media here. It's not like they worship a coach that was in charge of the program when they received the death penalty or anything like that.
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No all UK has had is NCAA investigations and violations every decade for the past 60 years. Other than that, they run a real clean program.
 
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tvols75 said:
As far as following recruiting rules and everything, Bob Knight was squeaky clean. Now of course he had some anger issues, but he ran a tight ship.


Edit: Just saw Hat's post, didn't mean to double post. Bob Knight comes down hard on the likes of Calipari. He said some pretty damning things a couple of years ago. He is one of the only guys I respect when it comes to talking about coaches and their recruiting tactics, as he didn't cheat.
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Really???? Because he stated yesterday on "Mike and Mike" he was in full support of Tressell as a man of high integrity.

Bobby Knight ran a clean program, but he doesn't always know what he is talking about. Especially matters outside of basketball
 
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PapaBurgundy said:
Not a true fan.
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Ah c'mon. I do NOT like Florida lol

Billy D is a likeable coach when you take the orange shades off. The guy coached Florida to two titles, hurt Kentucky's feelings when he turned them down (10 points there!) and just how he responded to his teams in the last couple of years when they were underachieving. He's a great coach IMO but I'd still love to see him buried by the NCAA haha
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
tvols75:

There's no sense in arguing with Hat because he'll simply state his opinion with such authority that its supposed to be taken as fact. Couple that with the fact that just about everyone in the bball forum stays on their knees for Hat, thereby validating his authority.
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I've been reading this forum long before I started posting. Hat seems to have a nice radar for collecting accurate information on both college and pro basketball. So his style is arrogant. Big deal. This is a message board. I doubt Hat cares whether or not anyone sucks up to him, but I can promise you the guys doing it are some of the forum's younger posters
 
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hatvol96 said:
If they are cheating, it's the 'AA's job to catch them. If they don't, that's on them. Thus, as long as you don't parade around like you're some sort of icon of ethical behavior, I don't particularly care.
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All this time on here I guess I never realized this was your actual take. If I'm understanding you correctly, you don't care if coaches lie/cheat, just that they don't go around acting like they don't lie or cheat?
 
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shortgameVol said:
Really???? Because he stated yesterday on "Mike and Mike" he was in full support of Tressell as a man of high integrity.

Bobby Knight ran a clean program, but he doesn't always know what he is talking about. Especially matters outside of basketball
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Heard that, he said Tressel's punishment was too harsh! Haha. Obvious bias in that statement. Also didn't know all about it. Why would he go on a national show and opine on something he isn't fully informed about, doesn't he know we have message boards? Also like how espn radio had 2 Buckeye grads for analysis.
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95 Vol Alum said:
O'Neill is likely to get hit with something. Like a chair.
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I was courtside at the UW v. USC game last saturday. I was also very drunk. It took a bit of self control to keep from running across the court and tackling him.

Shaun1985 said:
Who's a coach you'd be shocked to see hit with something Hat?
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That Eric Taylor guy over at East Dillon is clean as they come.
 
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IA VOL said:
All this time on here I guess I never realized this was your actual take. If I'm understanding you correctly, you don't care if coaches lie/cheat, just that they don't go around acting like they don't lie or cheat?
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It is humanly impossible to comply with all of the NCAA rules. I think a good portion of them are silly, immoral, or both. Do I want coaches paying kids and setting up pinch hitters to take SATs? Of course not. However, am I concerned if a coach doesn't spend every waking hour making sure every booster isn't slipping a kid a hundred bucks or trying to verify every line item on a kid's transcript? No. My issue is with a guy like Pearl, who trashed a kid's reputation and wrecked Jimmy Collins' career with spliced tapes, spent twenty years acting as if he should have received an award for his courage in doing so, and has been one of the four or five slimiest guys in the profession the whole damn time. Pearl acts like other coaches hate him because he's successful. That's bull****. Guys like Self and Huggs, both of whom have resumes that dwarf Pearl's, are almost universally popular with their peers. Other coaches hate Pearl because he's a phony and a jackass. I share their opinion.
 
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hatvol96 said:
You might want to check UC's graduation rates Huggs' last five years there, even by the 'AA's ridiculous methods. It will keep you from looking silly. While you're at it, dial up Milwaukee's graduation rates under Bruce Pearl.
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I took your challenge and looked Huggins graduation rate. According to the University of Cincinnati, he had 27 out of 95 players graduate from Cinncy or another university during his tenure. That is about 28%. Pretty poor, I would say. Also, they report that 21 of those players had “significant encounters with law enforcement.” Those significant encounters included domestic violence, rape, and even punching a police horse. You must be proud of a guy whose players arrest rate and graduation rate are close to the same.
 
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zehr27 said:
Actually I think you are wrong. Hats definition of a phony is someone who acts like they are a saint and is clearly not....hence the word phony. As much as I dislike Cal becuase he is a piece of garbage, Hat is right, atleast he doesn't act like he is Mother Teresa.
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Cal suspended Hunt after he beat his girlfriend. Here is his quote to Pat Forde.

"It's easy for ADs and coaches who are up against it to throw this kid under the bus. ... The easy thing is, he's suspended because I'm a self-righteous guy. I'm not worried about popular decisions. I'm worried about being right."
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Cal permanently dismissed Hunt from the basketball program after he breaks his hand in a bar fight but says he broke it in practice. Clearly separating Hunt's actions as something not allowed in his program.

"I think the university and I have gone out of our way to give Jeremy every chance to be a part of this program, but we can not allow his actions to continue to be an ongoing distraction for this team," Calipari said.
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Then before entering the next season with a paper thin inexperienced backcourt, Cal has this revelation.

"We revisited it and decided he deserved one more chance," Calipari said.
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Looks like a clear case of being a phony icon to ethical behavior to me.
 
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volfaninwinc said:
I took your challenge and looked Huggins graduation rate. According to the University of Cincinnati, he had 27 out of 95 players graduate from Cinncy or another university during his tenure. That is about 28%. Pretty poor, I would say. Also, they report that 21 of those players had “significant encounters with law enforcement.” Those significant encounters included domestic violence, rape, and even punching a police horse. You must be proud of a guy whose players arrest rate and graduation rate are close to the same.
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28% is for the entire term. That number is far from the worst in college basketball. I notice you didn't pull the last five seasons. I'm going to assume that was simple laziness and not because the trend that would show wouldn't fit your preconceived notion.

Also, I notice you fail to mention that Louis Banks was aquitted of the rape and formal charges were never even filed in the domestic assault cases against Ruben Patterson or Damon Flint. I'm sure that was just an oversight and not a lack of knowledge of the actual facts or an intentional distortion of the record.
 
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hatvol96 said:
28% is for the entire term. That number is far from the worst in college basketball. I notice you didn't pull the last five seasons. I'm going to assume that was simple laziness and not because the trend that would show wouldn't fit your preconceived notion.

Also, I notice you fail to mention that Louis Banks was aquitted of the rape and formal charges were never even filed in the domestic assault cases against Ruben Patterson or Damon Flint. I'm sure that was just an oversight and not a lack of knowledge of the actual facts or an intentional distortion of the record.
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Just for curiosity sake...what are the numbers from the last five seasons?
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hatvol96 said:
28% is for the entire term. That number is far from the worst in college basketball. I notice you didn't pull the last five seasons. I'm going to assume that was simple laziness and not because the trend that would show wouldn't fit your preconceived notion.

Also, I notice you fail to mention that Louis Banks was aquitted of the rape and formal charges were never even filed in the domestic assault cases against Ruben Patterson or Damon Flint. I'm sure that was just an oversight and not a lack of knowledge of the actual facts or an intentional distortion of the record.
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Actually, I did not find those statistics available from the University. However, it is quite ironic that you quote arrest rates for other coaches. But, you only want conviction rates with Huggins. I guess that comes from carelessness on your part. Not a moral or intellectual inconsistency.
 
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jp1 said:
Just for curiosity sake...what are the numbers from the last five seasons?
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I'd have to grab a UC media guide and look at the rosters to get the exact numbers, but pretty much everyone who played a senior season got a degree. It carried through the one year AK was the coach.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I'd have to grab a UC media guide and look at the rosters to get the exact numbers, but pretty much everyone who played a senior season got a degree. It carried through the one year AK was the coach.
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So, you don't really know? Is this because you already have a "preconceived notion?"
 
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hatvol96 said:
I'd have to grab a UC media guide and look at the rosters to get the exact numbers, but pretty much everyone who played a senior season got a degree. It carried through the one year AK was the coach.
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Fair enough. Just figured you had them available.
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I have just deleted my entire post trying to edit it, not my day. That was a lot of wasted time.

I'll summarize. I think most are phony and are concerned mainly with themselves. I try not to let which team I support effect my own moral compass.

Go Hawks.
 
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