Losing Faith

#26
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Please don't blame Hart for Sunseri. That was squarely on Dooley. Hart has publically stated that Dooley completely controlled the hiring of the assistants.

As for the overall picture, cheer up. The new coach can't help but be better than Dooley, and we have the full 85 players on scholarship this year. Dooley only had 68 in 2009!

The next couple years will be challenging, but we should at least win enough to go to a bowl game. After that, who knows, but after 5 years of crap, 8-4 for a year or two sounds wonderful to me.

After that, we'd better start competing for the SEC East on a regular basis. I think we will. :rock:
 
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peyton=legend said:
Alabama is about to win their third national championship in four years and we can't even win more than one conference game.... This is the worst time in the team's history.
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Get used to it. UT football will not be what it once was for a while. They should have never fired Fulmer and this is what we get for calling for his head.
 
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I've hit a wall on everything myself... been a rough couple of weeks... just taking all the bad/misleading intel we've digested from a dozen different sources, and we're all more confused and irate as ever...

the one who could quell things a bit (Hart) doesn't seem to realize there's a maelstrom brewing around him... either that, or he just doesn't give a rats a$$ what anyone thinks (which reinforces the rumors he's an arrogant pr*ck)...

i don't honestly believe there's a method to his silent approach... i'm beginning to think he sat on his a$$ until recently and is just beginning to go into panic mode...

Cheek's approach to university business is another concern in and of itself... he's another one that just gives me the willies...

they say you can read a lot from a man's face and the way they handle themselves... i don't get a good feeling about either one frankly... i hope i'm proved wrong, but my gut feeling is, we're all in for a looong, bumpy ride... and, probably a 2nd tier coach at best... Dooley v2...

i hate to admit it, but the Fulmer years are looking really good right about now... ultimately, Hamilton was the architect that led to the ruination of my beloved Vols, not Phil... yes, Phil got a bit lazy and made a horrible choice in Clawson, but overall he was a winner, as is evidenced by his HOF induction next week...

wherever that idiot Hamilton now resides, i hope fate deals him a cruel existence for all the wrongs he ultimately brought down on Tennessee... "F" him!
 
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volspeach said:
The silence is deafening yet might be golden?
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Talking about Golden lets hope he is not our guy. I'm just not sold on him. Maybe I'm crazy or not seeing it, but he took a job at Miami that really no great coach wanted to really walk into IMO with all the drama that had been there with the NCAA. Reminded me of when Dooley took our job when he was really just a lack of better opinions. Now, I believe Golden is night and day better then Dooley, but I'm still not sure a few good years at Temple makes him ready to win now in the SEC. We shall see tho...
 
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Good Gawd.....I know where a nice high cliff is if you people want to jump. Sit back and relax. I love the Vols as much as anyone else. But if they have losing records for the next five years I will not sit and whine about it......believe it or not there are things in life that are important than wins and losses. Get out and enjoy life because Tennessee football will take care of itself.
 
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Spawn said:
Old Miss had a solid year and is going to a bowl. Right now we are KY.

Hart better change that or GTFO Tennessee
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I really just want to know what Hart is looking for in a coach. I'm not asking him to give us a press conference and say look I'm meeting so and so here and then so and so here. All I want to know is what he feels is a qualified coach for the job at UT. I think that would say a lot into which direction he may be looking.
 
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jeffmcflurry27 said:
Get used to it. UT football will not be what it once was for a while. They should have never fired Fulmer and this is what we get for calling for his head.
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Lol get out of here. Some people on here live in the past. Fulmer lost his job because he lost his edge to recruit and lost his passion in coaching. He fired himself. Hamilton screwed up letting this garbage go on for so long is the true problem, and then not having a true plan to get a great coach when we fired Fulmer. If Fulmer was so great why isn't he coaching? He's not because he not wanted by anyone of relevance...
 
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JimVol said:
Just a meaningless rant... Please bare with me..I am simply a frustrated fan.

I am losing faith that our AD is actually committed to winning.

Dooley was a fail- blame Hamilton
Sal was a fail- I blame Hart
UT now wants to be an Ivy League school- blame Cheek

I hate to even think this about our beloved Volunteers but the reports on the handling of this mess are not reinforcing faith in the fan base.

It is terrible that the Tennessee Volunteers is being out recruited by Vanderbilt!

Oh we'll, we haven't even hired a coach yet but I'm already feeling disappointed.... I have come to expect disappointment out of my Vols Football program.

Half a decade of mediocrity does not bode well for my confidence. Cheeks determination to make this an Ivy League school doesn't help either.

Oh well, just feeling a little down about the program tonight.

Obviously the next few weeks will tell the tale about the direction of the program.

Anyway. Go Vols
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Yes yes let the depression embrace you...Go to the bridge and take a deep breath and jump...Just that simple...Or just relax and let the AD do his damn job without ASSUMING he is doing a bad job with this search because nobody and I mean NOBODY knows a damn thing about what he is doing or how he is doing it...So just stop it and go to bed.
 
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tnvols72 said:
I think most fans are on the verge of giving up on getting the kind of coach that Tn has to have to even have a chance.Theres not 1 name out there left to excite the fans or recruits.This is another diaster in the making.
Fans put faith in Dooley because everybody knew he had walked into a mess and gave him the benefit.That wont happen with another Dooley type hire.If Hart doesnt make a grand slam hire then Neyland will be half full next year.
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We will be lucky if we even get another Dooley type hire. More likely we will get someone who will lose as much as Dooley did, but who will also bend the rules and put the program on probation. That is why it was so important for Dooley to succeed - so that we don't have to go back to Kiffin type hires.
As of now I don't see anyone exciting out there even being discussed. Let's bring Fulmer back as HC, Chavis as DC, and leave all the offensive staff as is. I can't see anything better being considered right now (including Gruden who somehow approached god like status in spite of getting fired by Tampa Bay Bucks - after getting lucky and walking into super bowl team built by Tony Dungy and then getting the Bucks progressively worse every year after that).
 
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JimVol said:
Just a meaningless rant... UT now wants to be an Ivy League school- blame Cheek
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Meaningless rant - you got that right. God forbid UT should became known as a great academic school worthy to be in Ivy League - shame on Cheek to have such dirty thoughts/desires. However, I don't think you should worry at all - just honestly consider the IQ of fans on these forums as an example (presumably mostly UT alumni - myself included) and that should easily put any Ivy League fears to rest.
 
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jeffmcflurry27 said:
While we are all sad about the state of the program, you shouldn't be the least bit upset that the school is trying to improve its academics. It is a University first, a football program second.
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Stanford fancies itself to be an "Ivy League" type school and they have a great coach and a really tough football team. They seem to have figured out the formula to make it work, not just in football either, they are consistently competitive in most sports. Their women's basketball team has had a few upsets the last couple of years as I recall. Tiger Wood even went there, I think.

No one is upset about trying to improve academics. The problem is that they have looked at their football program as the means to fund that improvement without valuing it enough to invest in it at all.
 
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keckjm said:
I really just want to know what Hart is looking for in a coach. I'm not asking him to give us a press conference and say look I'm meeting so and so here and then so and so here. All I want to know is what he feels is a qualified coach for the job at UT. I think that would say a lot into which direction he may be looking.
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Hart has indeed said some of these things. He said he is looking for previous head coaching experience, so that would rule out someone who has only been an assistant. He said they are putting a premium on integrity, that we can't afford even any more hints of scandel; rules out the Petrinos.

Think about it: if he has had some preliminary conversations with successful head coaches currently taking a team to a bowl, it would be after some of those bowls before we would hear the news. Chillax.
 
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keckjm said:
Lol get out of here. Some people on here live in the past. Fulmer lost his job because he lost his edge to recruit and lost his passion in coaching. He fired himself. Hamilton screwed up letting this garbage go on for so long is the true problem, and then not having a true plan to get a great coach when we fired Fulmer. If Fulmer was so great why isn't he coaching? He's not because he not wanted by anyone of relevance...
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Maybe, but the devil you do know is better than the devil you don't know. And the devil we didn't know just made this program fall even further. I think they should have given him 1 more year and let him hire a new OC.
 
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You blame Hart for Sal? please tell us why? it has been said 1000 times by Hart and Dooley that Sal was hand picked and hired by Dooley!
 
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I'm not ready to want Hart run off yet, but if he brings forward a candidate that makes it clear we're dealing with another Hambone, then yes, I'll want his head.
 
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I want to address Cheek and the academic issue you brought up. What is it with the need to be " a top 25 institution"? Let's think about that. The Ivy league will always be at the top and take up 9 or 10 spots. Add in Stanford, MIT and Cal Berkley there go 3 more spots. Vandy, Northwestern... now we are at 15 spots taken. Add in Duke, Johns Hopkins, NYU , Univ of Chicago and Virginia and you are at 20. Boston U., Boston College, and Notre Dame and you are at 23. Im sure Tulane or Rice could be in there from the Southwest region so there go 25 spots. You dont see many state universities on this kind of list especially from the south. Tennessee will always be considered an outsider, an interloper to this exclusive club. You also dont see anybody that is any good in football either. Stanford being in the top 10 is not normal for them as they were lucky to make a bowl from 1970 -2005. Tennessee has been accepted into the football club so many of the academic club would keep them out just because of that. Advice to UT stick to what you've been good at: Football and providing an average college education that's practical and affordable. Let the Harvards be Harvard and Tenn. be Tenn.
 
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Bluetick Believer said:
Stanford fancies itself to be an "Ivy League" type school and they have a great coach and a really tough football team. They seem to have figured out the formula to make it work, not just in football either, they are consistently competitive in most sports. Their women's basketball team has had a few upsets the last couple of years as I recall. Tiger Wood even went there, I think.

No one is upset about trying to improve academics. The problem is that they have looked at their football program as the means to fund that improvement without valuing it enough to invest in it at all.
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The difference in Stanford and Tenn. is that Stanford has always been part of the academic elite. Second they arent located Appalachia. Third they arent located in the South.
Another advantage Stanford has is the humongous recruiting base in California. There are more opportunities to get high GPA guys that also play football in that state.
Plus, Stanford is doing real well now but that hasnt always been the case. During a three decade stretch Stanford didnt win a PAC 9 or PAC 10 title. Stanford didnt win more than 8 games for almost 25 years so their recent success has been the exception not the norm.
 
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jeffmcflurry27 said:
Get used to it. UT football will not be what it once was for a while. They should have never fired Fulmer and this is what we get for calling for his head.
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Its been 4-years now,and your still not over it.how many job offerings has come and gone since Phil was fired?How many was,has been offered to Phil? This along ought to tell you how sought after Phil has been.
Get over this love fest for Phil and move on with your life.
 
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