Losing Faith

[Volfan2012]

Just a meaningless rant... Please bare with me..I am simply a frustrated fan.

I am losing faith that our AD is actually committed to winning.

Dooley was a fail- blame Hamilton
Sal was a fail- I blame Hart
UT now wants to be an Ivy League school- blame Cheek

I hate to even think this about our beloved Volunteers but the reports on the handling of this mess are not reinforcing faith in the fan base.

It is terrible that the Tennessee Volunteers is being out recruited by Vanderbilt!

Oh we'll, we haven't even hired a coach yet but I'm already feeling disappointed.... I have come to expect disappointment out of my Vols Football program.

Half a decade of mediocrity does not bode well for my confidence. Cheeks determination to make this an Ivy League school doesn't help either.

Oh well, just feeling a little down about the program tonight.

Obviously the next few weeks will tell the tale about the direction of the program.

Anyway. Go Vols

We should have stayed away from Bama guys and Florida guys being in charge of the program. We need Tennessee people in charge who really don't think of it as just a job.

 

[GBOVOLS]

People also need to understand that our coach will not come from the SEC. He has to be out of this conference guys. Have some faith

 

[GBOVOLS]

We should have stayed away from Bama guys and Florida guys being in charge of the program. We need Tennessee people in charge who really don't think of it as just a job.

It is just a job man this idea we need a TN man in charge is bull. Not many other program have their grads over their programs.

 

[livefaith]

Get used to it. UT football will not be what it once was for a while. They should have never fired Fulmer and this is what we get for calling for his head.

True this. Live and learn.

 

[jeffmcflurry27]

Its been 4-years now,and your still not over it.how many job offerings has come and gone since Phil was fired?How many was,has been offered to Phil? This along ought to tell you how sought after Phil has been.
Get over this love fest for Phil and move on with your life.

Relax scooter, don't hate. I simply feel that the last 4 years would have been better with fulmer at the helm.

 

[TVolRedsox]

We are becoming Ole Miss

And they hired a high school coach who performed better in "year zero" as Dooley would call it than Dools did in Any 3 years he was here, what a flat out joke......Charlie strong would get recruiting on the right track that man can recruit if nothing else and I think.he's showing hois ability to win at Louisville.....yes its ayt Louisville however before strong took over they were 210 and now going to play on.the orange bowl....jayaon swain agrees this would be a magnificent hire!!

 

[TVolRedsox]

I want to address Cheek and the academic issue you brought up. What is it with the need to be " a top 25 institution"? Let's think about that. The Ivy league will always be at the top and take up 9 or 10 spots. Add in Stanford, MIT and Cal Berkley there go 3 more spots. Vandy, Northwestern... now we are at 15 spots taken. Add in Duke, Johns Hopkins, NYU , Univ of Chicago and Virginia and you are at 20. Boston U., Boston College, and Notre Dame and you are at 23. Im sure Tulane or Rice could be in there from the Southwest region so there go 25 spots. You dont see many state universities on this kind of list especially from the south. Tennessee will always be considered an outsider, an interloper to this exclusive club. You also dont see anybody that is any good in football either. Stanford being in the top 10 is not normal for them as they were lucky to make a bowl from 1970 -2005. Tennessee has been accepted into the football club so many of the academic club would keep them out just because of that. Advice to UT stick to what you've been good at: Football and providing an average college education that's practical and affordable. Let the Harvards be Harvard and Tenn. be Tenn.

My aunt is a grad of Vandy and sits on the board of trustees there.....I asked about TN academics and she told me straight up that TN is much harder to get in than Vanderbilt at this point for athletes and that is why we took 18 million over 3 years back from cheek and the academic dept. trying to make us duke or some bs and we are saying f that

 

[billbattle]

Relax scooter, don't hate. I simply feel that the last 4 years would have been better with fulmer at the helm.

God knows I love and respect Phil Fulmer for giving us a National Championship and some great times on the football field. But hey, facts are facts, and the fact is that he has to bear a lot of the responsibility for the shape our program is in today.

 

[TNnative]

Wait until hart hires his first head coach
before grabbing the pitchforks folks.

Well, if that hire is Fulmer, I have mine handy. Tennessee might as well design new uniforms like those silly throwbacks the Steelers are wearing, so the players will be accustomed to wearing stripes.

 

[SCSmokey]

More premenstrual adolescent whining.

 

[Merlot]

This is what happens when you fire a true SEC coaching legend 7 games after winning the East. If you were one that thought Fulmer getting fired was a bad thing then I am with you, if you thought firing Fulmer was the right thing to do, well then STFU.

 

[Merlot]

God knows I love and respect Phil Fulmer for giving us a National Championship and some great times on the football field. But hey, facts are facts, and the fact is that he has to bear a lot of the responsibility for the shape our program is in today.

You don't love and respect Fulmer. Your last sentence proves that...

 

[jwp1223]

My common consensus is that none of you have any common sense and are just getting your panties in a bunch over something none of you have a reason to get your panties in a bunch worth. So a University has standards and that's somehow bad now?

 

[billbattle]

You don't love and respect Fulmer. Your last sentence proves that...

Truth hurts sometimes doesn't it? What's done is done. I could go back and quote a lot of statistics, won-lost records against arch-rivals and certain coaches in the league, Neyland Stadium being filled with Bama fans celebrating their annual beat-down of the Vols and Fulmer, no SEC championships for ten years and counting, etc., but I won't. What happened in the nineties is long gone and Fulmer with it. It was a good ride, but Fulmer was completely over his head when the Saban's, the Richt's and the Meyer's came into the league. He was a coach of the nineties, and a darn good one, but the new decade brought him and the Vols nothing but frustration and decline.

 

[Herman Hickman]

There are plenty of universities out there catering to the whim of individuals who have the means and the willingness to pay Rolls Royce prices for the outward appearance of a quality education. The Ivy League is a perfect example.

Take a look at our political leaders. Most if not all of them are Ivy League. Is there anyone on this forum believing they have led our nation competently in domestic or foreign policy recently? That applies to both parties.

Tennessee has a different role from a Harvard or a Vanderbilt. It is the flagship institution designated by the state to provide for the higher education of the citizens of the state. Many of our children do not have the opportunity to learn at a Christian Brothers, a Webb, or a Bell Buckle. Many of them receive their education at average schools at best. Some of them come out of high schools, urban and rural, that fail to prepare them thoroughly for life in college.

The admission standards at the University of Tennessee should reflect the quality of education provided by the cities and counties of this state at the high school level. When these standards improve, then the university's standards could be raised to match this improvement.

The individual referring to his degree from the University of Tennessee as a "grade school" education is an absolute moron. I earned my degree in 1992. It has served me well in my life and career. I wouldn't take back my decision to apply and I wouldn't change anything about it except the consecutive years we lost to those neanderthal t-baggers in Bammer.

The standard of an education shouldn't be judged upon who you accept; it should be evaluated by who you turn out after they are finished at your university.

I would take our graduates over those of any other institution, including those who make a show of their prices and entry standards and then produce pinheads incapable of work or leadership.

 

[Merlot]

Truth hurts sometimes doesn't it? What's done is done. I could go back and quote a lot of statistics, won-lost records against arch-rivals and certain coaches in the league, Neyland Stadium being filled with Bama fans celebrating their annual beat-down of the Vols and Fulmer, no SEC championships for ten years and counting, etc., but I won't. What happened in the nineties is long gone and Fulmer with it. It was a good ride, but Fulmer was completely over his head when the Saban's, the Richt's and the Meyer's came into the league. He was a coach of the nineties, and a darn good one, but the new decade brought him and the Vols nothing but frustration and decline.

And you are an idiot.

 

[billbattle]

And you are an idiot.

Can't win an argument so you resort to juvenile name-calling. Ring back when you reach puberty.

 

[orangeluvr]

This is what happens when you fire a true SEC coaching legend 7 games after winning the East. If you were one that thought Fulmer getting fired was a bad thing then I am with you, if you thought firing Fulmer was the right thing to do, well then STFU.

:whistling: :whistling: opcorn: opcorn: :shhh:

 

[Herman Hickman]

Meaningless rant - you got that right. God forbid UT should became known as a great academic school worthy to be in Ivy League - shame on Cheek to have such dirty thoughts/desires. However, I don't think you should worry at all - just honestly consider the IQ of fans on these forums as an example (presumably mostly UT alumni - myself included) and that should easily put any Ivy League fears to rest.

Cheek should be ashamed. Wasting millions trying to impress representatives of fraudulent ratings service to put us in a sham Top 25.

That money would be better-served recruiting the best teaching professors in each major field Tennessee provides for undergraduates.

 

[wfd53]

Wait until hart hires his first head coach
before grabbing the pitchforks folks.

AMEN! I'm not pro or anti Hart. However, I have no idea how you can find fault with a decision that has not been made. I'll reserve my judgement on the hiring of a coach until a coach has been hired.

 

[TGVol]

Cheek should be ashamed. Wasting millions trying to impress representatives of fraudulent ratings service to put us in a sham Top 25.

That money would be better-served recruiting the best teaching professors in each major field Tennessee provides for undergraduates.

Unfortunately that is how game is played. Unless you get ranked high you will not attract talented students. Cheeks understands this so let's not blame him for using common sense and playing by the same rules as everyone else.

 

[Rudy123]

Just a meaningless rant... Please bare with me..I am simply a frustrated fan.

I am losing faith that our AD is actually committed to winning.

Dooley was a fail- blame Hamilton
Sal was a fail- I blame Hart
UT now wants to be an Ivy League school- blame Cheek

I hate to even think this about our beloved Volunteers but the reports on the handling of this mess are not reinforcing faith in the fan base.

It is terrible that the Tennessee Volunteers is being out recruited by Vanderbilt!

Oh we'll, we haven't even hired a coach yet but I'm already feeling disappointed.... I have come to expect disappointment out of my Vols Football program.

Half a decade of mediocrity does not bode well for my confidence. Cheeks determination to make this an Ivy League school doesn't help either.

Oh well, just feeling a little down about the program tonight.

Obviously the next few weeks will tell the tale about the direction of the program.

Anyway. Go Vols

Hart is not to blame for the Sal hire. Hart said that he meets the assistant coaches but he let's the head coach do all of the hiring....

Also, if you are wondering who the next head coach will be, just look a few hundred miles north of Knoxville and you will find him in Cincinnati.

No one wants this job, so it will fall all the way down to the tenth person on the list.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the next head coach at U.T. will be Butch Jones from Cincinnati.

The top candidates are already at good or great programs and will not make a lateral move to U.T. so it will have to fall on another Dooley type hire. A successful coach from a smaller league, who the A.D. thinks will be "Up and Coming"

Then Hart will shoot us some bull and say that this was his man all along.....

 

[Bluetick Believer]

Unfortunately that is how game is played. Unless you get ranked high you will not attract talented students. Cheeks understands this so let's not blame him for using common sense and playing by the same rules as everyone else.

Not to be offensive, but this is a ridiculous statement. When I was looking at colleges, I did not look at any ranking service. That is kind of like the myth of "accreditation". I looked at the facilities, the opportunities, the environment, fields of study, etc. Never once did I look at a ranking.

The University of Tennessee has other means to attract top students and they are called scholarships -- the Haslam Scholars program, etc. I guarantee you, giving scholarships matters a lot more to students and their families than some random ranking service.

As a side note, I completely agree that "Ivy League" schools are overrated. I know a lot of incredibly intelligent and educated graduates of the University of Tennessee. Ivy League schools are harder to get in to, so they are extremely exclusive, whereas a state land grant institution strives to be more inclusive and should be. That is where the myth comes from plain and simple.

 

[TGVol]

Not to be offensive, but this is a ridiculous statement. Never once did I look at a ranking.

As a side note, I completely agree that "Ivy League" schools are overrated. I know a lot of incredibly intelligent and educated graduates of the University of Tennessee. Ivy League schools are harder to get in to, so they are extremely exclusive, whereas a state land grant institution strives to be more inclusive and should be. That is where the myth comes from plain and simple.

No offense taken (this is what forums are for). However you are completely wrong about this. I have 2 kids who will be selecting a college soon and it's all about rankings (perhaps it was not back then but it is now). They and their friends (we live in NJ now) can tell you detailed rankings of all schools they are considering and are all debating among themselves whether Ivy league education is worth it (but not debating whether it's better or not as that is understood - but only whether the good paying jobs to pay off the loans etc for Ivy league education will be there when they graduate). Of course having another 4 year of Obama means 4 more years of country moving closer to socialist european models so because of that general trend I'm not optimistic about our kids having the same opportunities we had.

 

[YankeeVol]

Winning cures all ills