Losing Faith

[BanditVol]

it will have to fall on another Dooley type hire. A successful coach from a smaller league, who the A.D. thinks will be "Up and Coming"

Butch Jones is by far not the best option, but I would not go so far as to call him a "dooley type hire". Dooley was not only at a smaller school, but had a losing record. Or to put it another way, although Jones probably is one of the weaker candidates in the discussion, he is still better than Dooley.

But we can, and will, do better than Butch, IMO.

 

[Merlot]

Can't win an argument so you resort to juvenile name-calling. Ring back when you reach puberty.

I won the argument at Arkansas last year, then Kensucky, then Florida this year, then 0-7 in the SEC, then getting BLOWN OUT by Vanderbilt.

I won the argument watching a left-handed center trying to hike it right-handed for half a season.

I won the argument when we have seniors wondering what to do when a ball hits the ground on a kick-off return.

I won the argument when not one time in the last three years did we make a better halftime adjustment than the other team.

I WIN THE ARGUMENT BECAUSE 4 YEARS LATER THIS PROGRAM IS DEAD.

Ring ring, you are an idiot.

 

[billbattle]

I won the argument at Arkansas last year, then Kensucky, then Florida this year, then 0-7 in the SEC, then getting BLOWN OUT by Vanderbilt.

I won the argument watching a left-handed center trying to hike it right-handed for half a season.

I won the argument when we have seniors wondering what to do when a ball hits the ground on a kick-off return.

I won the argument when not one time in the last three years did we make a better halftime adjustment than the other team.

I WIN THE ARGUMENT BECAUSE 4 YEARS LATER THIS PROGRAM IS DEAD.

Ring ring, you are an idiot.

You are attempting to argue two different subjects. Whether Dooley is a bad coach has nothing to do with whether Fulmer was a bad coach his last five years. Like I say, when your balls drop, if you have any, give me a ring.

 

[Chad F]

I'm on the Charlie Strong bandwagon personally. A defensive coach with connection to SEC country. I hate to say it, but he also has been inside the main enemy camp (Florida). Strong is young and I think Tennessee would be a destination job for him. Plus, I heard that he'd be more likely to keep Graham, Hinshaw, and Pittman around.

 

[Orange Death]

Just a meaningless rant... Please bare with me..I am simply a frustrated fan.

I am losing faith that our AD is actually committed to winning.

Dooley was a fail- blame Hamilton
Sal was a fail- I blame Hart
UT now wants to be an Ivy League school- blame Cheek

I hate to even think this about our beloved Volunteers but the reports on the handling of this mess are not reinforcing faith in the fan base.

It is terrible that the Tennessee Volunteers is being out recruited by Vanderbilt!

Oh we'll, we haven't even hired a coach yet but I'm already feeling disappointed.... I have come to expect disappointment out of my Vols Football program.

Half a decade of mediocrity does not bode well for my confidence. Cheeks determination to make this an Ivy League school doesn't help either.

Oh well, just feeling a little down about the program tonight.

Obviously the next few weeks will tell the tale about the direction of the program.

Anyway. Go Vols

I only got as far as "blame Hart" for Sal. He didn't hire him. So, I stopped reading. Next time just rant to your inner monologue.

 

[OCVol82]

Just a meaningless rant... Please bare with me..I am simply a frustrated fan.

I am losing faith that our AD is actually committed to winning.

Dooley was a fail- blame Hamilton
Sal was a fail- I blame Hart
UT now wants to be an Ivy League school- blame Cheek

I hate to even think this about our beloved Volunteers but the reports on the handling of this mess are not reinforcing faith in the fan base.

It is terrible that the Tennessee Volunteers is being out recruited by Vanderbilt!

Oh we'll, we haven't even hired a coach yet but I'm already feeling disappointed.... I have come to expect disappointment out of my Vols Football program.

Half a decade of mediocrity does not bode well for my confidence. Cheeks determination to make this an Ivy League school doesn't help either.

Oh well, just feeling a little down about the program tonight.

Obviously the next few weeks will tell the tale about the direction of the program.

Anyway. Go Vols

They got them there books for the readdings in that there schooooool...

 

[Bobby720]

I think most fans are on the verge of giving up on getting the kind of coach that Tn has to have to even have a chance.Theres not 1 name out there left to excite the fans or recruits.This is another diaster in the making.
Fans put faith in Dooley because everybody knew he had walked into a mess and gave him the benefit.That wont happen with another Dooley type hire.If Hart doesnt make a grand slam hire then Neyland will be half full next year.

And so will the bank account the boosters fill.

 

[photovol]

We are becoming Ole Miss

Kentucky

 

[jeffmcflurry27]

I won the argument at Arkansas last year, then Kensucky, then Florida this year, then 0-7 in the SEC, then getting BLOWN OUT by Vanderbilt.

I won the argument watching a left-handed center trying to hike it right-handed for half a season.

I won the argument when we have seniors wondering what to do when a ball hits the ground on a kick-off return.

I won the argument when not one time in the last three years did we make a better halftime adjustment than the other team.

I WIN THE ARGUMENT BECAUSE 4 YEARS LATER THIS PROGRAM IS DEAD.

Ring ring, you are an idiot.

It's one think to know you are right, it's another to be humble about it. You have further proven his point that you are childish.

 

[onevolfan]

What about Mike Gundy? WBIR in Knoxville said that they can confirm Hart interviewed Charlie Strong on Friday, and Mike Gundy today.

 

[Bluetick Believer]

No offense taken (this is what forums are for). However you are completely wrong about this. I have 2 kids who will be selecting a college soon and it's all about rankings (perhaps it was not back then but it is now). They and their friends (we live in NJ now) can tell you detailed rankings of all schools they are considering and are all debating among themselves whether Ivy league education is worth it (but not debating whether it's better or not as that is understood - but only whether the good paying jobs to pay off the loans etc for Ivy league education will be there when they graduate). Of course having another 4 year of Obama means 4 more years of country moving closer to socialist european models so because of that general trend I'm not optimistic about our kids having the same opportunities we had.

TGVol -- I will just leave it at this -- I, too, have children both in college and in high school now. My son is a junior at UT and is getting an excellent education and will be graduating in the spring of 2014 with no debt -- none. The scholarships offered to him at UT have more than covered his college costs and the assistance given to him by his advisors by helping him to find summer internships, etc. leaves his job prospects upon graduation extremely promising.

I guess our philosophies on higher education are just different. My son is in attending a college that he loves. He could have gone to many other schools, but financially it made no sense and he could not be happier to be a Vol! Gambling in this economy by taking on a huge amount of debt before you have even started earning seems like a huge risk to me and one that I advised my son against strongly.

It is great to have such a discussion -- a nice distration to all of this head coaching drama! Go Vols!

 

[jeffmcflurry27]

TGVol -- I will just leave it at this -- I, too, have children both in college and in high school now. My son is a junior at UT and is getting an excellent education and will be graduating in the spring of 2014 with no debt -- none. The scholarships offered to him at UT have more than covered his college costs and the assistance given to him by his advisors by helping him to find summer internships, etc. leaves his job prospects upon graduation extremely promising.

I guess our philosophies on higher education are just different. My son is in attending a college that he loves. He could have gone to many other schools, but financially it made no sense and he could not be happier to be a Vol! Gambling in this economy by taking on a huge amount of debt before you have even started earning seems like a huge risk to me and one that I advised my son against strongly.

It is great to have such a discussion -- a nice distration to all of this head coaching drama! Go Vols!

The simple truth is, that higher education is not as valuable as it once was, yet is still necessary. Advising your son to take on as little debt as possible is wise, sir. It's not about where you get the education, but instead what you do with it.

 

[Chad F]

I attended UT for one year before going to West Point. Both were great experiences. Drastically different, but great. From what I've seen, the school itself matters less than what you put into it.

The Ivy League does make getting in the door a little easier depending on where you are trying to gain entry, but overall I think the Ivy League schools are waaaaaaay over-priced. Not worth the money for the average American. Plus, I think the education itself isn't significantly superior to a good state university. Students who are aggressive, creative, and motivated will make their mark and be successful regardless of the school.

 

[Chad F]

There are idiots that graduate from every school (and success stories, too). A university will generally only enhance the qualities that are already there.

 

[TGVol]

The scholarships offered to him at UT have more than covered his college costs and the assistance given to him by his advisors by helping him to find summer internships, etc. leaves his job prospects upon graduation extremely promising.

I would be the last person to bash UT since I received 2 degrees (BA, and MS) from UT - all on full scholarships (varsity sports scholarships back in the 80's). So I will forever thank UT for all the opportunities it provided me and still love the Vols more than ever. However after years of not living in TN and working in financial industry (Manhattan) I came to realize that UT is very poorly viewed in terms of academics (at least in area of finance). When we post job openings at my company they automatically screen out almost all non-ivy league resumes these days. It is almost impossible to get good jobs in this area unless you went to Ivy league schools. I understand that this does not apply to all other fields but still it's not fun to see. I also hate to hear my kids complaining to me that the only kids in their HS who would consider going to UT are academically ranked very low in their classes (even behind other state schools like for example Rutgers, Ohio State, Michigan, North Carolina, Florida, etc.). Therefore I admire any effort to improve the UT image (and not just image) in terms of academics.

 

[Bluetick Believer]

I guess it's a good thing my son does not want to be an investment banker!

 

[bbeacham]

In keeping with the losing faith theme, I feel like the fans are also losing interest. The longer this thing drags on, the more the fans' interest will diminish. I know if a bullfrog had wings, he wouldn't land on his butt everytime he took a jump! So, just bear with me while I ponder. When we almost, but not quite hired Gruden, the hype was already there. Therefore, it was really unnecessary to create a lot of hype. If Gruden had been hired, I predict that season ticket sales alone would have shot up between 50 and 75% by the Summer.....regardless of the 4* or 5* recruits we might have been able to land. If we hire somebody this week, the PR for the athletic department is going to have to work overtime to hype-the-hire because as I mentioned earlier the interest of the fans is diminishing the longer it takes to hire someone. If we can't hire somebody until a week from Monday, we will already be into the 2nd String and getting precariously close to the "dead period".

 

[JimVol]

I only got as far as "blame Hart" for Sal. He didn't hire him. So, I stopped reading. Next time just rant to your inner monologue.

Congrats!!

worthless reply IMHO.. if you stopped reading then you should have clicked "BACK"

geeze.. I can't believe that over 2 years this is one of the few post you can come up with.

If you a Vol fan and NOT feeling frustrated and a little down about the program you are a NEGAVOL..

Go pull for mediocrity.. I simply refuse to do that.

Go Vols

 

[oregonvol]

There's no question at this point that the AD doesn't care about winning. It looks like he passed on the one coach who could immediately make us relevant again. And even if those reports are incorrect, the fact that he is interviewing folks like Mike Gundy and Charlie Strong, while refusing to even make a play for Petersen or Patterson (and make them turn down 6 million a year, which I doubt either would actually do) tells me that our AD is happy to hire someone who can win 8-9 games a season, but doesn't want to put in the effort to try for anyone who can win a championship.

 

[Orange Blazer]

I think most fans are on the verge of giving up on getting the kind of coach that Tn has to have to even have a chance.Theres not 1 name out there left to excite the fans or recruits.This is another diaster in the making.
Fans put faith in Dooley because everybody knew he had walked into a mess and gave him the benefit.That wont happen with another Dooley type hire.If Hart doesnt make a grand slam hire then Neyland will be half full next year.

Lets hear your home run hire.

 

[Orange Blazer]

Congrats!!

worthless reply IMHO.. if you stopped reading then you should have clicked "BACK"

geeze.. I can't believe that over 2 years this is one of the few post you can come up with.

If you a Vol fan and NOT feeling frustrated and a little down about the program you are a NEGAVOL..

Go pull for mediocrity.. I simply refuse to do that.

Go Vols

^^^^^ Real fan alert ^^^^^

 

[BandVOL]

I don't understand how you can say that Hart" doesn't care about winning"
I don't think that the average fans have any idea who they are interviewing and the true criteria set forth on this hire
The quotes that Hard has made are "generic"

I don't see TRUE verifiable evidence yet that Hart cannot or will not make a good hire

This whole ride needs patience..otherwise you are just setting yourself up with expectations(mostly negative)
Just try to be positive until you have true evidence on what is the "true" situation

There's no question at this point that the AD doesn't care about winning. It looks like he passed on the one coach who could immediately make us relevant again. And even if those reports are incorrect, the fact that he is interviewing folks like Mike Gundy and Charlie Strong, while refusing to even make a play for Petersen or Patterson (and make them turn down 6 million a year, which I doubt either would actually do) tells me that our AD is happy to hire someone who can win 8-9 games a season, but doesn't want to put in the effort to try for anyone who can win a championship.

 

[orangepaladin]

On academics, there's no reason UT can't hang with the B1G schools academically. That is an attainable target, and should be.

As far as Tennessee, it's a proven fact this state doesn't invest enough in education. Simply saying we're smarter than the Bammers doesn't cut it. Tennessee people have to compete globally. I'm not saying we should be of the same cloth as the elitist Ivy League, but football and academics can go together.