Louis Freeh releasing statement on ESPN now On Sandusky

#76
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bamawriter said:
There is nothing that is in the NCAA rulebook that is reflected in the federal penal code, or that of any state in the union. The NCAA wasn't created to enforce the law, it was created to enforce a level playing field of legitimate amateurism.
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This isnt about enforcing the law

Its the same as the difference between criminal and civil litigation
 
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#78
On yahoo sports radio they opined the cover up prevented a hit on recruiting which could be deemed to be the benefit that the AA might need to take action.

Also, Nike pulled JoePa's name off their child's center at their HQ.
 
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#80
The NCAA has already made it pretty clear that at least they themselves think this is under their jurisdiction.

NCAA

Apparently the NCAA has the same sort of umbrella "unethical conduct" stuff in their bylaws that every other membership organization in the country does. Surprise, surprise.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
The NCAA has already made it pretty clear that at least they themselves think this is under their jurisdiction.

NCAA

Apparently the NCAA has the same sort of umbrella "unethical conduct" stuff in their bylaws that every other membership organization in the country does. Surprise,
surprise.
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Lack of institutional control.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Neither is the McDonalds Employee Handbook, but it doesnt stop them for firing someone for picking their nose over the fry station
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But the McDonald's handbook certainly deals with sanitary handling of food.

The NCAA rulebook says nothing about criminal activity.
 
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bamawriter said:
That's an odd ultimatum. Why would you inflict a punishment that is more than you're asking them to do voluntarily? Why not just say "wipe him out of your recordbook and off your campus, or we'll do it for you"?
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Simple. Give Penn State the ultimatum. If they choose to cleanse themselves, fine. If they choose not to, then they are trying to downplay their culpability. The NCAA does have the power to inflict lack of institutional control - as well as the lack of morals clause which the admin's clearly violated as late as March of 2011. IMO, the right thing for Penn State to do is to eliminate all those involved - including trustee's - eliminate all mention of Joe Pa - and to give unconditional release to all scholarship players. If they opt not to,,,,give them the DP.
 
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Does anyone else get the sense its convenient for the Freeh report (commissioned by PSU for over $500,000.00/month) to put most of the blame on those who are in jail or are dead? I'm not saying anyone else was involved but boy isn't it lucky that the report the trustees paid so much money for didn't seriously imply any current trustees.

Penn State trustees: We take responsibility but wonÂ’t resign - Philly.com

Makes me sick, bunch of f****** cowards
 
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#87
Best line regarding the Joe Paterno statue...
came from Mike Rosenberg, senior writer for Sports Illustrated:

"Penn State should keep the Joe Paterno statue. Just move it so he is looking the other way."
 
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dukes_of_maggard said:
Does anyone else get the sense its convenient for the Freeh report (commissioned by PSU for over $500,000.00/month) to put most of the blame on those who are in jail or are dead? I'm not saying anyone else was involved but boy isn't it lucky that the report the trustees paid so much money for didn't seriously imply any current trustees.

Penn State trustees: We take responsibility but wonÂ’t resign - Philly.com

Makes me sick, bunch of f****** cowards
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As with any internal investigation, there is bias built in. The term "independent internal investigation" is an oxymoron.

That said, it should be worth noting that the grand jury investigation didn't result in charges against any member of the BOT. Apparently law enforcement felt the blame lay elsewhere, too.
 
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Gramps said:
Lack of institutional control.
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This... The ncaa can get and should get involved.. this happened at a football facility.. and it continued to happen 6 months after it was reported.. that's a lack of instituional control if there ever was one, and to cover it up to keep the program from getting a black eye, is just ethically wrong. Living this close to Penn state, it amazes me how people are still defending the football program and paterno.. one person said, it will be hard to take down the statue with the whole student body standing infront of it... Unreal... To me, give them the death penalty, the program, university, and the fans deserve it..
 
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#90
Baylor's head basketball coach covered up the murder of one of his players at the hands of teammate. The NCAA slammed Baylor for all kinds of violations, but didn't deal with the murder or the coverup at all.
 
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bamawriter said:
As with any internal investigation, there is bias built in. The term "independent internal investigation" is an oxymoron.

That said, it should be worth noting that the grand jury investigation didn't result in charges against any member of the BOT. Apparently law enforcement felt the blame lay elsewhere, too.
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I just don't think this is over with. I think more will come out once others go to court.
 
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#93
It's a horrifying case all the way around. My heart goes out to all the victimized children and innocent bystanders like players and alumni who are now given a black eye because of some sadistic lunatic who deserves to rot in a jail cell for the remainder of his days.
 
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Rockytop1018 said:
It's a horrifying case all the way around. My heart goes out to all the victimized children and innocent bystanders like players and alumni who are now given a black eye because of some sadistic lunatic who deserves to rot in a jail cell for the remainder of his days.
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He will be. His charge is what...450 years or something?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
The NCAA has already made it pretty clear that at least they themselves think this is under their jurisdiction.

NCAA

Apparently the NCAA has the same sort of umbrella "unethical conduct" stuff in their bylaws that every other membership organization in the country does. Surprise, surprise.
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8 months have past. Someone PLEASE tell me that the NCAA has not turned their head, like ole Joe did....
 
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#96
is scared to touch it but they know they eventually have to. If I was over the NCAA I would be so nervous as to what to do. But they have to ammend their rules and do something. Nobody will look down on the NCAA for throwing the book at PSU.
 
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volberry said:
is scared to touch it but they know they eventually have to. If I was over the NCAA I would be so nervous as to what to do. But they have to ammend their rules and do something. Nobody will look down on the NCAA for throwing the book at PSU.
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They can -procedurally, I believe - only amend their rules at their annual meeting which is either at the beginning of the summer or earlier in the calendar year (it's when you see those new threads come up about stuff like "the kickoff touchback now goes to the 25, that's stupid").

I could be incorrect on the whole matter, but I believe they would have to wait until the meeting rolls around again in order to do so. ESPN's had joe schad as their reporter getting in touch with / conferring with former NCAA attorneys and one of the things he's said more than once was that they've told him the NCAA "can't just make up (the) rules as they go."
 
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As far as the timeframe thing, it wouldn't be abnormal for them to take a significant amount of time on anything; that's just how they do. Theyve always as an organization been more designed around waiting till they've done their full investigations and research, collected evidence, and determined/established proper ties rather than make any sudden, knee-jerk decisions. It's how they do things (look at the timeframe on the Reggie bush investigation; or how - for stuff that Kiffin did here - tennessee wasn't called in till over a year later)
 
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volberry said:
is scared to touch it but they know they eventually have to. If I was over the NCAA I would be so nervous as to what to do. But they have to ammend their rules and do something. Nobody will look down on the NCAA for throwing the book at PSU.
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If they amend their rules, the amendment can only apply going forward. They can't punish actions that weren't against the rules when the actions occurred.

It's like the Cam Newton thing. The NCAA claimed that Cecil's solicitation of MSU fell into a loophole in the rules, but they have since closed the loophole. They can't go back and punish Newton, Auburn, or MSU because they actions occurred before it was considered a violation.
 
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