Loved The Win But....

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butchna said:
And if they had beaten the Vols, you would have cited how far behind the true elites this program sits. Seen this movie. šŸ˜“
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Nah, you have the wrong poster. I tend not to overreact to one game, especially in basketball. My thoughts about a loss would have depended on how the game went but I would have thought we lost to a good team with a very good coach and that we are still one of the 15-20 best teams in the country.

The win is a good sign and is great for our resume based on it being a #3 ranked KU on a neutral court. However, this win doesn't have a big impact on how I view our Vols other than being impressed with our physicality and ability to overcome sloppy play with elite defense (which was somewhat known).
 
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gainesvol82 said:
It absolutely was huge. Top 5 win against a blueblood. Not a knock on UT. I think we have our most well-rounded team in years and have a lot of room to improve which is scary for other programs. We can make a lot of noise this year but I do think we need another PG to step up in order to reach our full potential.

Just stating that I am not particularly impressed by KU's roster this year. Would you trade our roster for their's?
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Who cares about an opposing teams roster, esp following a double digit win, ā€¦ā€¦. relax much?
This was a huge win, get over it.
 
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snappervol said:
Who cares about an opposing teams roster, esp following a double digit win, ā€¦ā€¦. relax much?
This was a huge win, get over it.
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Oh I am totally relaxed and very happy with the win. I was much less relaxed during the game while I was yelling at every bucket Vescovi and Zakai drained for every defensive stop we got. Also loved that we made Dick shrink in the moment and kept the announcers from slobbering all over him, though Dykes and Schiambi are usually pretty fair.

And as far as it being a huge win..... see the first sentence of my post you quoted. This thread was not critical of UT in any way. We defeated multiple good opponents in the Bahamas and came away with early season tournament win that is great for a resume and for our team experience. I was simply being critical of Kansas and noticing that they do not seem to be a typically elite Kansas team this year. JMO, and it's early so that all could change by the end of the year, though. Several posters seemed upset by the criticism of Kansas because they thought I was trying to diminish UT's accomplishment but that's not how I feel and wasn't my intent.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
Oh I am totally relaxed and very happy with the win. I was much less relaxed during the game while I was yelling at every bucket Vescovi and Zakai drained for every defensive stop we got. Also loved that we made Dick shrink in the moment and kept the announcers from slobbering all over him, though Dykes and Schiambi are usually pretty fair.

And as far as it being a huge win..... see the first sentence of my post you quoted. This thread was not critical of UT in any way. We defeated multiple good opponents in the Bahamas and came away with early season tournament win that is great for a resume and for our team experience. I was simply being critical of Kansas and noticing that they do not seem to be a typically elite Kansas team this year. JMO, and it's early so that all could change by the end of the year, though. Several posters seemed upset by the criticism of Kansas because they thought I was trying to diminish UT's accomplishment but that's not how I feel and wasn't my intent.
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I donā€™t think you even criticized Kansasā€™ team. You made an observation that this might not be as good a Kansas team as past Jayhawks teams. You also acknowledged that it was still early in the season, and as we all know, things can change. It was an observation that I agreed with based on Kansasā€™ recent opponents and Bill Selfā€™s own comments about his team. Some people are just not able to discern the difference between an opinion, which in this case was not negative on your part, and actual negativity. Itā€™s a skewed perception on their part.
 
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cardvolfan said:
I donā€™t think you even criticized Kansasā€™ team. You made an observation that this might not be as good a Kansas team as past Jayhawks teams. You also acknowledged that it was still early in the season, and as we all know, things can change. It was an observation that I agreed with based on Kansasā€™ recent opponents and Bill Selfā€™s own comments about his team. Some people are just not able to discern the difference between an opinion, which in this case was not negative on your part, and actual negativity. Itā€™s a skewed perception on their part.
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Very well said. It amazes me how quick some posters are to look for perceived slights against the Vols.
 
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Perception is reality. Your post was perceived as devaluing the win immediately after it happened. Even if that wasn't your intent, it very much looked that way. Which is why so many immediately called you out.

The gist of your post most took here, "yeah we beat Kansas, but they aren't that good, so no big deal. It doesn't mean Tennessee is that good."

When almost every reader takes your statement that way, its not the fault of the reader.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Perception is reality. Your post was perceived as devaluing the win immediately after it happened. Even if that wasn't your intent, it very much looked that way. Which is why so many immediately called you out.

The gist of your post most took here, "yeah we beat Kansas, but they aren't that good, so no big deal. It doesn't mean Tennessee is that good."

When almost every reader takes your statement that way, its not the fault of the reader.
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I think the reaction is more indicative of the volatile nature and low level comprehension among the negative responders. It was a fairly nuanced post, but it did require reading it to understand it.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
I think the reaction is more indicative of the volatile nature and low level comprehension among the negative responders. It was a fairly nuanced post, but it did require reading it to understand it.
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The title itself fuels the perception of the post. Which is "Yeah we won, but Kansas isn't that good."

This is what this looks like to people who were happy we'd just beaten a top 5 Blue Blood. kanye1599045932-0.jpg
 
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cardvolfan said:
Skewed interpretation. No where did he say what youā€™re implying he said.
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His title, "Loved the win, but" followed by a post saying team wasn't as good as usual, will never be taken differently on any sports message board.

If you went to the Texas board and said "Loved the win, but" then posted about Gonzaga not being as good as usual, it's going to be taken as trolling by the vast majority of fans of that team. Especially in the immediate aftermath of the win.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Perception is reality. Your post was perceived as devaluing the win immediately after it happened. Even if that wasn't your intent, it very much looked that way. Which is why so many immediately called you out.

The gist of your post most took here, "yeah we beat Kansas, but they aren't that good, so no big deal. It doesn't mean Tennessee is that good."

When almost every reader takes your statement that way, its not the fault of the reader.
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I have multiple posts in this and other threads indicating what I think of UT. This thread was about what I think of Kansas. Several posters agreed with me and gave evidence of people in the national media and rankings industry who have similar opinions. However, I can see how some misunderstood and took my thread as discrediting the vols win. It wasn't, though....and I've stated it several times to clear the air but message boards are about overreacting so that is what quite a few have chosen to do. No big deal, I just don't like having words put in my mouth so I have responded.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
The title itself fuels the perception of the post. Which is "Yeah we won, but Kansas isn't that good."

This is what this looks like to people who were happy we'd just beaten a top 5 Blue Blood. View attachment 518717
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I read what people say instead of assuming intent. But....in hindsight, most of the misunderstanding could have been avoided if I left the word "but" out of the thread title.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
I think the reaction is more indicative of the volatile nature and low level comprehension among the negative responders. It was a fairly nuanced post, but it did require reading it to understand it.
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Well said. The "but" gave a negative impression and I'll own that.
 
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If you are removing Kansas from the elite group, you might as well take North Carolina, Duke, and Alabama from the list too. They looked very ā€œKansas-likeā€ this weekend.
 
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Dr H Lecter said:
If you are removing Kansas from the elite group, you might as well take North Carolina, Duke, and Alabama from the list too. They looked very ā€œKansas-likeā€ this weekend.
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Alabama was never considered elite. Duke/Gonzaga/Kansas don't look like top 5 teams this year.

Edit: at least not early. I don't think Kansas has the pieces to be. Gonzaga either but they have a potential NPOY that could carry them.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
Oh I am totally relaxed and very happy with the win. I was much less relaxed during the game while I was yelling at every bucket Vescovi and Zakai drained for every defensive stop we got. Also loved that we made Dick shrink in the moment and kept the announcers from slobbering all over him, though Dykes and Schiambi are usually pretty fair.

And as far as it being a huge win..... see the first sentence of my post you quoted. This thread was not critical of UT in any way. We defeated multiple good opponents in the Bahamas and came away with early season tournament win that is great for a resume and for our team experience. I was simply being critical of Kansas and noticing that they do not seem to be a typically elite Kansas team this year. JMO, and it's early so that all could change by the end of the year, though. Several posters seemed upset by the criticism of Kansas because they thought I was trying to diminish UT's accomplishment but that's not how I feel and wasn't my intent.
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The basketball forum can be pretty silly about caricaturing to the nth degree any poster who says the slightest non-positive remark about practically anything. And then you have to spend a half dozen posts explaining that you actually do like Tennessee and Barnes and actually do think theyā€™re good at basketball. Itā€™s all very tiresome.
 
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Unconditional Surrender said:
The basketball forum can be pretty silly about caricaturing to the nth degree any poster who says the slightest non-positive remark about practically anything. And then you have to spend a half dozen posts explaining that you actually do like Tennessee and Barnes and actually do think theyā€™re good at basketball. Itā€™s all very tiresome.
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Agreed but I'll own my wording that played a part. I was hoping to get people's thoughts on Kansas, overall parity in CBB this year and if there are any truly elite teams. I got that from a few posters but mostly ended up creating a conversation about what I didnā€™t say/intend. Oh well.
 
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Volfan1000 said:
Bill Self thinks that Tennessee has the potential to make a Final Four run this year because Tennessee plays stifling defense and if they can develop consistency with the three point shot they will make a deep run.
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Sounds like coach speak that could be said every year about UT. Not saying he is wrong, though.
 
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So would someone give me a short list of Elite teams, so I'll know when to be happy or just shrug. I know Gonzaga's & Kansas not elite because we beat them. so that's a starter.

1. Colorado
2.
3.
4.
 
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KTrain said:
So would someone give me a short list of Elite teams, so I'll know when to be happy or just shrug. I know Gonzaga's & Kansas not elite because we beat them. so that's a starter.

1. Colorado
2.
3.
4.
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See post #94
 
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KTrain said:
So would someone give me a short list of Elite teams, so I'll know when to be happy or just shrug. I know Gonzaga's & Kansas not elite because we beat them. so that's a starter.

1. Colorado
2.
3.
4.
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Houston? Texas? Idk.

Gonzaga now has 2 20 point beatdowns.
 
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