LSU and Will Wade in some trouble...

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I am a little confused here. Some of you are the same ones who keep spouting "open up the pocket book and offer more" when
word comes out that Auburn is offering payoff, or Bama is about to sign one of the players on the top of the board.

Many condemn Wade, when you want UT to do the same thing, except don't get caught.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
I think he has skated by so far due to the LSU athletic department and NCAA choosing to have plausible deniability with the amount of info that originally circulated publicly. This time I'm not so sure. It might not happen immediately, but this report made a lot of info public that previously was not known. I find it hard to believe the NCAA will be able to find a valid excuse this time to let him escape punishment. I also think it will be hard for LSU to look the other way and pretend to know nothing without seriously hurting the university. It's likely just a matter of when and not if he is let go.
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I would’ve thought the clown being on tape, basically admitting to bidding on players, would’ve been enough info to handle this a year ago. I don’t have a lot of faith in the NCAA to do the right thing anymore.
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VolGee4 said:
The AD at LSU is Emmert's son in law.
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AD and LSU not coming out and saying anything, but his own lawyer, to me, means they'll probably be done with him before the case is all sorted out.
 
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cobbwebb0710 said:
I would’ve thought the clown being on tape, basically admitting to bidding on players, would’ve been enough info to handle this a year ago. I don’t have a lot of faith in the NCAA to do the right thing anymore.
GBO!!
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Remember, this is the same outfit that allows athletes to transfer and play immediately everywhere...except when an individual wants to transfer and play alongside his brother for his hometown university.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The end of the line comes for Will Wade, when the NCAA's sniffing around starts to impact the football program, and it appears as though that is already happening. The LSU Administration will gladly make a public sacrifice of Wade to keep the NCAA away from football, ...
I don't think Will Wade will coach another game for LSU.
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Wade is just practicing to get Cal's job at UK when he retires or is retired. This means Wade's next promotion is head coach at Memphis...
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Why? Will Wade is not exactly an untouchable Hall of Fame coach.
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Just after the whole "I gave him a strong *** offer" recording not resulting in any significant punishment, I have my doubts about the NCAA's willingness to do anything about it.

The only thing that gives me some optimism is what you pointed out earlier about how LSU would sacrifice him to protect the football program from any sort of investigation.
 
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SprocketRocket said:
The NCAA now says Will Wade either arranged for or offered money to 11 recruits or people around them to get them to come to LSU - including Javonte Smart. I have no idea why it has taken so long for this to become a thing. The FBI had recordings of him talking about making 'a strong-ass offer' to a recruit months ago, but he managed to skate out somehow. He was suspended by LSU, but for some unknown reason he was reinstated and able to keep his job and move on. I am assuming that he just lied to the University about his involvement, otherwise I suspect they would have let him go on the spot. Too bad for LSU, because according to the report on ESPN, the NCAA President of Enforcement said this "...He is employed in a leadership position at LSU, yet the institution has been unable to secure his full cooperation and is accountable for his behavior." Accountable for his behavior is the operable phrase to take out of that.
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Yep. The NCAA loves it when they get to hang the “lack of institutional control” thing around somebody’s neck. And LSU basically thumbed their nose at everybody and kept that POS on board. He and LSU are in a heap of trouble.
 
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Delmar said:
Yep. The NCAA loves it when they get to hang the “lack of institutional control” thing around somebody’s neck. And LSU basically thumbed their nose at everybody and kept that POS on board. He and LSU are in a heap of trouble.
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Lets not forget the LSU Booster who went to prison last year for defrauding donations from a charity and giving the money to LSU football players families,, Of course this was "TOTALLY ISOLATED"
 
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orangemadam said:
I am a little confused here. Some of you are the same ones who keep spouting "open up the pocket book and offer more" when
word comes out that Auburn is offering payoff, or Bama is about to sign one of the players on the top of the board.

Many condemn Wade, when you want UT to do the same thing, except don't get caught.
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I hope those who are saying such things are just trying to be funny but looking at some of things that are going on in this country right now and the stance that some people take it boggles the mind. Maybe they are serious.
 
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Delmar said:
Yep. The NCAA loves it when they get to hang the “lack of institutional control” thing around somebody’s neck. And LSU basically thumbed their nose at everybody and kept that POS on board. He and LSU are in a heap of trouble.
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I don't wish NCAA penalties on anybody but the fact that they kept this POS after knowing what he did deserves punishment.
 
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I’ll believe it when I see it. He should’ve been given a show cause two years ago. He got caught cheating, got suspended for like a day, refused to even talk to LSU until the suspension was lifted, then denied any wrongdoing even though he was caught on tape talking specifically about paying recruits, not just Smart. He basically gave the NCAA, LSU, and everyone else in the SEC two big middle fingers and said “I can do what I want.” I blame LSU because they caved. They could’ve handled this back then but their team was in the middle of trying to contend for an SEC Championship so they did nothing. He’s like one of those entitled spoiled brats that grew up thinking they are the only person on the planet that matters and thinks everyone should bow down to him. He’s one of those people that runs a red light and t-bones a car crossing the intersection and asks the other driver, “You ran into me!” Screw him, screw LSU and screw the NCAA.
 
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Here’s why LSU is in for big trouble. The NCAA has shown themselves to be toothless in any number of cases but when they get somebody in the crosshairs with no defense, they tend to bring the hammer down hard. Especially when said school thumbs their nose at them. And as far as I can tell, LSU is standing there completely nekkid. LSU is also not a sacred cow in basketball like NC, Duke, KY and Kansas. The NCAA had NC dead to rights and they let them off on a supposed “technicality” (Wink, wink). It will be very interesting to see what happens with Bill Self and Kansas as he is in the same boat as Wade.
 
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Delmar said:
Here’s why LSU is in for big trouble. The NCAA has shown themselves to be toothless in any number of cases but when they get somebody in the crosshairs with no defense, they tend to bring the hammer down hard. Especially when said school thumbs their nose at them. And as far as I can tell, LSU is standing there completely nekkid. LSU is also not a sacred cow in basketball like NC, Duke, KY and Kansas. The NCAA had NC dead to rights and they let them off on a supposed “technicality” (Wink, wink). It will be very interesting to see what happens with Bill Self and Kansas as he is in the same boat as Wade.
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It really wasn't a technicality once UNC was able to show that regular students, not just athletes, benefited from the academic fraud afforded to them by these so-called "paper classes". At that point, it became an institutional integrity issue for them, rather than a matter for the NCAA. Having said that, there should have been more serious consequences for UNC's accreditation. They were placed on a one year probation. That was the outrage. They should have been stripped of their accreditation by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission. A years worth of probation was a joke.

I agree with your assessment of LSU's situation. While I understand the skepticism expressed on this forum for the NCAA's Committee on Infractions, there is too much evidence against Will Wade for him not to receive a 5 year show-cause penalty. He is not some revered, legendary coach and LSU basketball is not a blue blood program. Can Mark Emmert intervene enough to save LSU from a two year post-season ban? Yes. Can he save Will Wade from a show-cause penalty? I don't think so. Wade is toast.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It really wasn't a technicality once UNC was able to show that regular students, not just athletes, benefited from the academic fraud afforded to them by these so-called "paper classes". At that point, it became an institutional integrity issue for them, rather than a matter for the NCAA. Having said that, there should have been more serious consequences for UNC's accreditation. They were placed on a one year probation. That was the outrage. They should have been stripped of their accreditation by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission. A years worth of probation was a joke.

I agree with your assessment of LSU's situation. While I understand the skepticism expressed on this forum for the NCAA's Committee on Infractions, there is too much evidence against Will Wade for him not to receive a 5 year show-cause penalty. He is not some revered, legendary coach and LSU basketball is not a blue blood program. Can Mark Emmert intervene enough to save LSU from a two year post-season ban? Yes. Can he save Will Wade from a show-cause penalty? I don't think so. Wade is toast.
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That is correct that it was shown that regular students at NC got benefit of the paper classes as well. But I would submit that was just a convenient excuse to let them off the hook. The NCAA is supposed to exist to keep a level playing field among the institutions it serves and I would say that NC athletes fraudulently got advantages academically that athletes at other schools didn’t get. To me, that should have been enough for NCAA sanctions. But that’s just me.
 
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Delmar said:
That is correct that it was shown that regular students at NC got benefit of the paper classes as well. But I would submit that was just a convenient excuse to let them off the hook. The NCAA is supposed to exist to keep a level playing field among the institutions it serves and I would say that NC athletes fraudulently got advantages academically that athletes at other schools didn’t get. To me, that should have been enough for NCAA sanctions. But that’s just me.
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Unfortunately it wasn't just an convenient excuse - the paper classes being available for everyone made it an issue where the NCAA didn't have jurisdiction. It wasn't an impermissible benefit for (just) student-athletes, so the NCAA couldn't really do anything. It was a general academic fraud issue at the school. That's why Penn St's sanctions from the Sandusky scandal were ultimately rolled back as well. The NCAA can only enforce the rules they have regarding impermissible benefits and such, not hand down punishments for general academic fraud (that's what academic accreditation commissions do) or sexual abuse (that's what cops do).

The moral of this story is that if you're going to cheat, cheat big.
 
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BisonVol said:
I'll believe he gets fired when I see it.
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Dude is made of steel if he was doing anything. I doubt anything significant will happen, but you never know. The NCAA has payments going to all kinds of player out in the east, nothing is going to happen. As far as big $$$ sports its basically over with pay to play, which I believe goes into effect in Florida in 307 days.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Dude is made of steel if he was doing anything. I doubt anything significant will happen, but you never know. The NCAA has payments going to all kinds of player out in the east, nothing is going to happen. As far as big $$$ sports its basically over with pay to play, which I believe goes into effect in Florida in 307 days.
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Wtf? If he was doing anything? Such as making a "strong a$$ offer" to Javonte Smart? You are either ignorant, or just flat out kidding yourself. What Wade was doing wasn't within any NCAA norms. Will Wade was blatantly cheating and there is proof of that in the Christian Dawkins FBI wiretaps. Wade will receive a show-cause penalty. He is a liar and he is corrupt.

You are on the wrong forum to be giving an unconditional defense of a piece of garbage like Will Wade. Take your manure over to Tiger Droppings. They will probably buy it.
 
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