LSU and Will Wade in some trouble...

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Delmar said:
Here’s why LSU is in for big trouble. The NCAA has shown themselves to be toothless in any number of cases but when they get somebody in the crosshairs with no defense, they tend to bring the hammer down hard. Especially when said school thumbs their nose at them. And as far as I can tell, LSU is standing there completely nekkid. LSU is also not a sacred cow in basketball like NC, Duke, KY and Kansas. The NCAA had NC dead to rights and they let them off on a supposed “technicality” (Wink, wink). It will be very interesting to see what happens with Bill Self and Kansas as he is in the same boat as Wade.
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The NCAA is toothless. The only programs they come down hard on are the ones that agree to cooperate... except for SFA. SFA dared to beat Duke at Cameron Indoor/Outdoor Carpet Stadium.
 
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TJVol95 said:
This guy has some compromising pictures of Emmert somewhere.
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I think its one of two thing.... either:

1. no real hard evidence he did anything... the tape doesn't really say anything, I mean it doesn't sound good but there has to be proof of something
2. the ncaa just wants nothing to do with most of the big time payment plans.... does anyone think anything is going to happen to Duke? (I believe hard evidence already exists there)

My guess, Will probably was involved in something but is playing his hand. He continues to play like he has a Royal Flush. Unless someone presents something to LSU they don't really have cause.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I think its one of two thing.... either:

1. no real hard evidence he did anything... the tape doesn't really say anything, I mean it doesn't sound good but there has to be proof of something
2. the ncaa just wants nothing to do with most of the big time payment plans.... does anyone think anything is going to happen to Duke? (I believe hard evidence already exists there)

My guess, Will probably was involved in something but is playing his hand. He continues to play like he has a Royal Flush. Unless someone presents something to LSU they don't really have cause.
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1. The tape says it all. There is the discussion between Will Wade and Christian Dawkins of a monetary offer to a specific recruit (Javonte Smart) who did sign and play for LSU.. There doesn't have to be hard proof that money changed hands. The offer itself constitutes a major violation. This falls under the jurisdiction of the NCAA. There only has to be sufficient proof in the eyes of the NCAA's Committee on Infractions... or if it is remanded to an independent counsel, sufficient proof in their eyes. There is a lack of institutional control at play here as well. While fully aware of the tape of Wade's offer, LSU has allowed Wade to continue coaching. The proof is there and it is damning.

2. Coach K isn't on tape discussing an offer made to a Duke recruit. Apples to oranges. And let's face it, LSU basketball is no sacred cow. Your program was irrelevant from 2008 until 2018 and nobody cares if they return to that.

This has gone too far for nothing to come of it.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
1. no real hard evidence he did anything... the tape doesn't really say anything, I mean it doesn't sound good but there has to be proof of something
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I won't pretend to know (or even believe) that the NCAA will do anything to LSU. But they've handed down sanctions with a lot less proof than they have on Wade.
 
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bamawriter said:
I won't pretend to know (or even believe) that the NCAA will do anything to LSU. But they've handed down sanctions with a lot less proof than they have on Wade.
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See Ole Miss football sanctions from December of 2017. They got a two year bowl ban and scholarship reductions for far less than what Wade has done. There are similarities between the rise of Ole Miss football under Hugh Freeze and LSU basketball under Wade. Yes, the NCAA is weak these days and yes, Emmert could be running cover for their program... but the proof is there. Wade is not going to skate.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Wade is guilty.

You can justify his actions however you want to swing it but there’s enough proof that he made multiple offers to highly touted players to go there.
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He made some damn strong offers but the problem with that is... its not evidence of anything. That's not how it works, if they had evidence they're would have been a real formal investigation and presented the evidence. I am in no way saying Will didn't pay some players or arrange it, heck, I have no idea.... I would probably place $10 on that he did. Heck, I think the tape is bad as to what it implies but it really doesn't say anything.... not really. What was the damn strong offer? Going on two years and there is no proof of anything, matter of fact, I think I said about a year ago there was no real investigation. Everyone thought the NCAA was doing all kinds of stuff... they weren't. LOL

Either way, Will Wade is acting like he has a Royal Flush (only he knows what he has), if he really didn't do anything.... don't be surprised by a liable lawsuit, I would say his lawyers are already throwing some shots across the bow on that front to the NCAA. My guess is his attorney is sending the shot across the bow, meaning if the NCAA launches a formal - that he'll sue them as that would be cause to fire him under his altered contract.

At this stage there is nothing to justify, which is why their really hasn't been an investigation. That does not mean he didn't pay players.

You're barking up the wrong tree if you think I should feel bad about players receiving money... I've been saying for at least 5 years that all this is coming to an end.

(in the meantime, you won't hear too much about Duke, North Carolina or Kansas)
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Wade is guilty.

You can justify his actions however you want to swing it but there’s enough proof that he made multiple offers to highly touted players to go there.
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There is sufficient proof for any objective person to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Will Wade arranged a monetary offer to secure the services of Javonte Smart, who later signed with and played for LSU's basketball team. The offer itself is a Level I violation. There doesn't need to be a paper trail for the NCAA's Committee on Infractions to conclude that Will Wade, and by extension LSU's basketball program, is guilty of a Level I violation. Combined with Wade's lack of cooperation with the NCAA's investigation, and the inability of LSU's athletic department to assure his cooperation.... and you also have a lack of institutional control. While I understand skepticism, the proof of this very serious violation has received too much publicity at this point, and Wade's defiance has been too public for the NCAA to do nothing. It won't surprise me if LSU's program avoids sanctions because of Emmert, but the NCAA Committee on Infractions is not going to allow an upstart 37 year old snot nose like Wade to violate a major rule and then openly defy an investigation like this. Wade will get a show-cause penalty.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
He made some damn strong offers but the problem with that is... its not evidence of anything. That's not how it works, if they had evidence they're would have been a real formal investigation and presented the evidence. I am in no way saying Will didn't pay some players or arrange it, heck, I have no idea.... I would probably place $10 on that he did. Heck, I think the tape is bad as to what it implies but it really doesn't say anything.... not really. What was the damn strong offer? Going on two years and there is no proof of anything, matter of fact, I think I said about a year ago there was no real investigation. Everyone thought the NCAA was doing all kinds of stuff... they weren't. LOL

Either way, Will Wade is acting like he has a Royal Flush (only he knows what he has), if he really didn't do anything.... don't be surprised by a liable lawsuit, I would say his lawyers are already throwing some shots across the bow on that front to the NCAA. My guess is his attorney is sending the shot across the bow, meaning if the NCAA launches a formal - that he'll sue them as that would be cause to fire him under his altered contract.

At this stage there is nothing to justify, which is why their really hasn't been an investigation. That does not mean he didn't pay players.

You're barking up the wrong tree if you think I should feel bad about players receiving money... I've been saying for at least 5 years that all this is coming to an end.

(in the meantime, you won't hear too much about Duke, North Carolina or Kansas)
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You don't know what in the hell you are talking about. The monetary offer itself, is a Level I violation and there is sufficient proof that an offer was made to Javonte Smart... and there is a real formal investigation underway right now.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
He made some damn strong offers but the problem with that is... its not evidence of anything. That's not how it works, if they had evidence they're would have been a real formal investigation and presented the evidence. I am in no way saying Will didn't pay some players or arrange it, heck, I have no idea.... I would probably place $10 on that he did. Heck, I think the tape is bad as to what it implies but it really doesn't say anything.... not really. What was the damn strong offer? Going on two years and there is no proof of anything, matter of fact, I think I said about a year ago there was no real investigation. Everyone thought the NCAA was doing all kinds of stuff... they weren't. LOL

Either way, Will Wade is acting like he has a Royal Flush (only he knows what he has), if he really didn't do anything.... don't be surprised by a liable lawsuit, I would say his lawyers are already throwing some shots across the bow on that front to the NCAA. My guess is his attorney is sending the shot across the bow, meaning if the NCAA launches a formal - that he'll sue them as that would be cause to fire him under his altered contract.

At this stage there is nothing to justify, which is why their really hasn't been an investigation. That does not mean he didn't pay players.

You're barking up the wrong tree if you think I should feel bad about players receiving money... I've been saying for at least 5 years that all this is coming to an end.

(in the meantime, you won't hear too much about Duke, North Carolina or Kansas)
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He can’t sue the NCAA if they start an investigation. That’s not how it works. It sounds like the NCAA has all the info they need anyway.
You tried hard to defend Wade without admitting you are defending him. Nice try but it is pretty easy to tell what you are trying to do.
 
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OrangeVolMan said:
He can’t sue the NCAA if they start an investigation. That’s not how it works. It sounds like the NCAA has all the info they need anyway.
You tried hard to defend Wade without admitting you are defending him. Nice try but it is pretty easy to tell what you are trying to do.
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The NCAA says LSU men's basketball coach Will Wade either arranged for or offered "impermissible payments" to at least 11 potential recruits or others around them, according to documents obtained Wednesday by ESPN.
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That is a statement of fact, if it does exist (or appears to be in that context), I'm assuming it (documents) does for discussion. If it doesn't exist, its slander and possibly fraud either on the part of ESPN or the NCAA. Since LSU nor Wade have gotten the documents, his attorney is asking why not i.e. litigation is next is my guess. If they launch a formal without evidence or manufactured evidenced than yes, I see no reason why he couldn't sue for damages. To be honest, if he hasn't paid anyone... I see no reason why he couldn't sue right now.

For the record, I have no idea whether someone was paid or if he paid them, or not. He continues to play the game like he has a Royal Flush.

Seems fairly moot as players will be getting money in about 10 months or even less.

I like to discuss these issues but at the end of the day big money college sports is coming to a very rapid end.

You tried hard to defend Wade without admitting you are defending him.
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Crazy you say that, but all I said is... they will need evidence. I never claimed he did or didn't pay anyone. (Read slower) For the record, as anyone that has seen me post on this forum knows... I think anyone stopping anyone of these players from receiving payments for legal activity are in the wrong ethically, morally and legally. Defending him, there isn't anything to defend him against at this point - that's the point. <-------- no information from the NCAA
 
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LSU-SIU said:
That is a statement of fact, if it does exist (or appears to be in that context), I'm assuming it (documents) does for discussion. If it doesn't exist, its slander and possibly fraud either on the part of ESPN or the NCAA. Since LSU nor Wade have gotten the documents, his attorney is asking why not i.e. litigation is next is my guess. If they launch a formal without evidence or manufactured evidenced than yes, I see no reason why he couldn't sue for damages. To be honest, if he hasn't paid anyone... I see no reason why he couldn't sue right now.

For the record, I have no idea whether someone was paid or if he paid them, or not. He continues to play the game like he has a Royal Flush.

Seems fairly moot as players will be getting money in about 10 months or even less.

I like to discuss these issues but at the end of the day big money college sports is coming to a very rapid end.
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There is next to no chance Wade sues. He's not about to open himself up to discovery. He's not going to submit himself to answering the question "What did you mean by a 'strong-ass offer?'" under penalty of perjury.
 
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bamawriter said:
I won't pretend to know (or even believe) that the NCAA will do anything to LSU. But they've handed down sanctions with a lot less proof than they have on Wade.
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Bruce Pearl got a 3 year show cause for lying about a cookout. The NCAA says they have evidence Wade paid 11 recruits. Our LSU buddy is whistling past the graveyard hoping the NCAA monsters don’t reach out and grab them. The NCAA is sort of like the Feds. They don’t indict till they are 99% sure they have you cold. And as you said, they’ve killed programs for a lot less.
 
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Delmar said:
Bruce Pearl got a 3 year show cause for lying about a cookout. The NCAA says they have evidence Wade paid 11 recruits. Our LSU buddy is whistling past the graveyard hoping the NCAA monsters don’t reach out and grab them. The NCAA is sort of like the Feds. They don’t indict till they are 99% sure they have you cold. And as you said, they’ve killed programs for a lot less.
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Will Wade is exactly the kind of coach that the NCAA likes to make an example of. So was Bruce Pearl in 2010. The "cocky and defiant upstart who thinks the rules don't apply to him". The LSU fan seems to think that Wade is in the clear as long as there is no proof that Javonte Smart and other LSU recruits were actually paid. That is not accurate. A university representative making the offer of an impermissible benefit to lure an athletic recruit, is a Level I NCAA violation (the most serious) by itself.
 
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Buying high school recruits for college sports is almost as old as the game.

NCAA rules? We don't need no stinking rules.
Nobody gets looked at unless some punk a$$ snitch squeals
 
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Delmar said:
Bruce Pearl got a 3 year show cause for lying about a cookout. The NCAA says they have evidence Wade paid 11 recruits. Our LSU buddy is whistling past the graveyard hoping the NCAA monsters don’t reach out and grab them. The NCAA is sort of like the Feds. They don’t indict till they are 99% sure they have you cold. And as you said, they’ve killed programs for a lot less.
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All I'm saying is no information (documents) nor a notice of allegation has been sent to LSU or Wade, so there really isn't anything to address. LSU could fire him if he /they receive a notice of allegation on a Level 1 or 2 violation but the NCAA basically stopped contacting LSU for information even. Of course, we're assuming he did something wrong, he continues to act like the has a Royal Flush and we're entering year 3 on this and he's still getting great recruits.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
All I'm saying is no information (documents) nor a notice of allegation has been sent to LSU or Wade, so there really isn't anything to address. LSU could fire him if he /they receive a notice of allegation on a Level 1 or 2 violation but the NCAA basically stopped contacting LSU for information even. Of course, we're assuming he did something wrong, he continues to act like the has a Royal Flush and we're entering year 3 on this and he's still getting great recruits.
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That's a logical assumption considering what was said on the wiretapped calls with Christian Dawkins.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
All I'm saying is no information (documents) nor a notice of allegation has been sent to LSU or Wade, so there really isn't anything to address. LSU could fire him if he /they receive a notice of allegation on a Level 1 or 2 violation but the NCAA basically stopped contacting LSU for information even. Of course, we're assuming he did something wrong, he continues to act like the has a Royal Flush and we're entering year 3 on this and he's still getting great recruits.
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Based on the news of allegations of paying/making offers to 11 players, I am sure that a Notice of Allegation is being prepared. As noted earlier, the NCAA does things on their own schedule and generally only brings the charges when they are sure they have you. Patience, it’s coming.
 
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Delmar said:
Based on the news of allegations of paying/making offers to 11 players, I am sure that a Notice of Allegation is being prepared. As noted earlier, the NCAA does things on their own schedule and generally only brings the charges when they are sure they have you. Patience, it’s coming.
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Possibly, but this is similar to what happened in February 2019, reports of this and that on ESPN and Dickie V... and really there wasn't much going on. Matter of fact, LSU during that time wasn't even approached by the NCAA to provide any information since early 2019. As I mentioned, I have no information either way that he did anything one way or another... the optics on the tape are not good on the surface.

Will Wade still continues to play acting like he has a Royal Flush. His recruiting hasn't slackened, is he still paying players? :) The NoA is given than LSU has a choice in theory, not sure they fire him though until they see something. I mean we're in bizarro world where the NCAA doesn't ask the University for information.

NCAA does things on their own schedule and generally only brings the charges
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I would strongly disagree, they generally don't do anything and really wish this stuff would disappear.

By the time this next year comes in, payments are generally going on anyway in the open NIL. (we'll see how it plays out, a NoA is sent than LSU in theory can take action until than not so much)

Like I said, he's a man of steel if he doing everything they are saying.... meaning he must be paying all these new recruits as well..... he's still getting players at a very high level... like a water mill at this point.
 
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