LSU Players Possibly Suspended

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bamawriter said:
Myles was charged with the same thing. Technically, none of the Tennessee players were actually charged with assault. I don't think this hair can split the way you want it to.
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Myles' charges weren't dropped. Da'Rick's were.
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bamawriter said:
Myles was charged with the same thing. Technically, none of the Tennessee players were actually charged with assault. I don't think this hair can split the way you want it to.
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Myles had had previous discipline problems. Rogers had not and has not since. I don't think you have a point.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Myles had had previous discipline problems. Rogers had not and has not since. I don't think you have a point.
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I simply said Tennessee had players involved in a bar fight that left someone messed up. It wasn't me who made the issue out of who was charged with what.

My statement was correct.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
No. I meant legitimately arrested for fighting, which was your premise.
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No, my premise was "involved in a bar fight." Never said a word about "arrests" or "charges" until I was responding to you.

If you're saying none of the players currently on Tennessee's team were involved in any way, that would be in response to my statement.
 
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bamawriter said:
No, my premise was "involved in a bar fight." Never said a word about "arrests" or "charges" until I was responding to you.

If you're saying none of the players currently on Tennessee's team were involved in any way, that would be in response to my statement.
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Then pulling Da'Rick into it was garbage. He wasn't involved.
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bamawriter said:
No, my premise was "involved in a bar fight." Never said a word about "arrests" or "charges" until I was responding to you.

If you're saying none of the players currently on Tennessee's team were involved in any way, that would be in response to my statement.
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I believe you're still wrong. There was significant evidence that the players didn't start the fight and tried their best to escape the situation. So, your use of the phrase "involved in a bar fight" implies something that didn't happen.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Then pulling Da'Rick into it was garbage. He wasn't involved.
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That can be argued. But I'll go with you on this.

No one else on Tennessee's team was involved?

LawVol13 said:
I believe you're still wrong. There was significant evidence that the players didn't start the fight and tried their best to escape the situation. So, your use of the phrase "involved in a bar fight" implies something that didn't happen.
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If I didn't start a fight, but I jumped into it, did I get involved?
 
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LawVol13 said:
You're adding facts to fit your agenda. You have no clue what happened. So, your little stupid question is meaningless.
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You're right. My knowledge of the situation is severely limited.

So you are saying that no one currently on Tennessee's team had anything to do with the fight?
 
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bamawriter said:
You're right. My knowledge of the situation is severely limited.

So you are saying that no one currently on Tennessee's team had anything to do with the fight?
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I am saying, just as I said two posts ago, that there was significant evidence that the UT players were involved involuntarily while trying to get out of the situation.

Again, your characterization implies that Tennessee players started the fight and were responsible. I don't think that happened.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I am saying, just as I said two posts ago, that there was significant evidence that the UT players were involved involuntarily while trying to get out of the situation.
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There is other evidence that suggests that at least one player hit a guy while he was down. There is also plenty of evidence that suggests that, whether they started it or not, they greatly outnumbered those they were fighting with.

Again, your characterization implies that Tennessee players started the fight and were responsible. I don't think that happened.
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I don't see how you got that. I said "involved". There are many ways to get involved in a fight. I was responding to a post that was critical of LSU allowing Jefferson back onto the team after his issue, and I was simply pointing out that Jefferson's issue isn't all that different from several players on Tennessee's roster.
 
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bamawriter said:
Myles was charged with the same thing. Technically, none of the Tennessee players were actually charged with assault. I don't think this hair can split the way you want it to.
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Yes it can. Unless you show me where a victim positively ID'd the person that skull- ****ed him.

1) Da'Rick and Myles were not charged with the same thing.

2) No one was positively IDd by the victim

3) No one was charged with a felony.

4) A player was kicked off the team

What do you need help with?
 
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bamawriter said:
There is other evidence that suggests that at least one player hit a guy while he was down. There is also plenty of evidence that suggests that, whether they started it or not, they greatly outnumbered those they were fighting with.



I don't see how you got that. I said "involved". There are many ways to get involved in a fight. I was responding to a post that was critical of LSU allowing Jefferson back onto the team after his issue, and I was simply pointing out that Jefferson's issue isn't all that different from several players on Tennessee's roster.
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So, there is evidence that a guy, who was dismissed from the team immediately, hit a guy. And, that is somehow supposed to be analogous to the LSU situation where Jefferson was not dismissed? So, other than being completely different, I guess they are similar.
 
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DrunkJohnny said:
Yes it can. Unless you show me where a victim positively ID'd the person that skull- ****ed him.

1) Da'Rick and Myles were not charged with the same thing.
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Yes they were: disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. Rogers had his charges dropped, Myles pleaded out.

2) No one was positively IDd by the victim
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They were IDd by other witnesses. The victim in the Knoxville fight got KOd. That can often affect your ability to ID your assailant.

3) No one was charged with a felony.
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Jefferson's charged was bumped down to a misdemeanor. So that hardly differentiates to two situations.

4) A player was kicked off the team
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And multiple players weren't. The only one who was kicked off the squad already had a run in with the authorities.
 
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LawVol13 said:
So, there is evidence that a guy, who was dismissed from the team immediately, hit a guy. And, that is somehow supposed to be analogous to the LSU situation where Jefferson was not dismissed? So, other than being completely different, I guess they are similar.
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Myles wasn't the only player who got IDd as hitting the victim.
 
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bamawriter said:
Yes they were: disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. Rogers had his charges dropped, Myles pleaded out.



They were IDd by other witnesses. The victim in the Knoxville fight got KOd. That can often affect your ability to ID your assailant.



Jefferson's charged was bumped down to a misdemeanor. So that hardly differentiates to two situations.



And multiple players weren't. The only one who was kicked off the squad already had a run in with the authorities.
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1) No, no they weren't. Myles was charged with resisting and evading. Da'Rick was charged with resisting. There is a difference there, believe it or not.

2) Who was? Who identified someone on the football team? Who was ID'd? Link? Are they still on the roster?

3) Big deal. Like I said before, people in bar fights regularly get charged with felony assault, I know.

4) Speculation. Again, no one was IDd. It's speculation to assume it was even a UT football player that did this.
 
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bamawriter said:
UT football players Da'Rick Rogers and Darren Myles, Jr., charged after fight at Bar Knoxville on Cumberland Avenue strip; off-duty police officer assaulted | wbir.com

Matt Milton was wanted for assault, but ultimately not charged.

When I find the reports, I'll add them to this post.
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So, now your evidence is that there were some players who weren't even charged with a crime, and that makes this situation similar to Jefferson's? Jesus, how much further can you possibly reach?
 
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bamawriter said:
UT football players Da'Rick Rogers and Darren Myles, Jr., charged after fight at Bar Knoxville on Cumberland Avenue strip; off-duty police officer assaulted | wbir.com

Matt Milton was wanted for assault, but ultimately not charged.

Document names UT player in bar fight; source disputes report GoVolsXtra

Chase Nelson was IDd as starting the fight. Again, not charged.

When I find the reports, I'll add them to this post.
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But according to a UT Athletic Department official who declined to be identified because of an ongoing investigation, an internal review showed Nelson wasn’t even present the night of the brawl.
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Good job. Next.
 
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