LSU targeting Brian Kelly (per The Athletic)

[Checker_the_Shire]

Seems like a great guy!

I don’t know why, but do I remember him doing something like this when he bolted from Cincy? I feel like I remember reading something when all that happened that he basically left in the dead of night and screwed over several former coaches. I could be completely wrong, but this tweet is jogging my memory about something he did between the change.

 

[zjcvols]

Well considering he made the choice to go into an unsafe position, he owned some responsibility there…. It was an unfortunate accident that led to his death. It wasn’t a murder or forcible death, which has been my whole point since we started this debate.

Which is what I said but when I said that Kelly was negligent you said

“He didn’t force that kid to get on the lift….. not like he put a gun to his head and said “go up”…..

Kid could have easily said nope, not today.”

So no that isn’t your argument. Nobody is saying that Brian Kelly forced a gun to his head and went up. Or that he pulled a trigger and killed him. What we are saying is Brian Kelly was negligent in asking him to go up there when conditions weren’t safe and did not take care of his employees in a hazardous situation, which the Indiana Safety Commission agrees with. But instead you think it’s Sullivan’s fault because he didn’t say no because you think he was hero worshipping instead of blaming the guy that asked him to go up there anyways.

At Wal-Mart which was my first job, we had a situation where an employer asked an employee to do something that wasn’t safe and against protocol. The employee did it. Nobody got hurt but guess who got fired? The boss. Like it is every other place in this country.

 

[JMSqb11]

No one, at least not me, is saying he forced the kid up there. But to say the kid should have had the guts to say no is just silly. Furthermore, if you know anything about basic psychological development, you’d know the frontal lobe of the brain—the key decision making portion—isn’t fully developed until roughly 24-25 years old. So to say a that a 20 year old should have the adult mindset to stand up to his/her boss is just silly and proves you know nothing of the real world.

You shouldn’t need 4-5 extra years and an “adult mindset” to know when you’re going into a risky and potentially unsafe environment…. But yes, please lecture me more on the “real world” and science. Don’t have to be book smart to know when something is or isn’t safe….

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I guess their AD was hell bent on finding someone who would take $100 mil deal. They’re finished if it doesn’t work out.

Jimmy Sexton is a beast.

And the mark of the beast is Benjamin.

 

[JMSqb11]

I don’t know why, but do I remember him doing something like this when he bolted from Cincy? I feel like I remember reading something when all that happened that he basically left in the dead of night and screwed over several former coaches. I could be completely wrong, but this tweet is jogging my memory about something he did between the change.

He was asked by players if he was taking the Tennessee job to which he said no. Only to bolt for ND lmao

 

[Matt2496]

Dang

 

[zjcvols]

You shouldn’t need 4-5 extra years and an “adult mindset” to know when you’re going into a risky and potentially unsafe environment…. But yes, please lecture me more on the “real world” and science. Don’t have to be book smart to know when something is or isn’t safe….

It’s almost like real world thinking to say “this might be dangerous but since my bosses are asking me to do this, I believe they would know if I’m safe or not and are not putting me at risk.”

 

[Checker_the_Shire]

You shouldn’t need 4-5 extra years and an “adult mindset” to know when you’re going into a risky and potentially unsafe environment…. But yes, please lecture me more on the “real world” and science. Don’t have to be book smart to know when something is or isn’t safe….

I could lecture you, but I can tell you’re the equivalent of the students I have in class. The facts are right in front of you, but mommy/daddy/big guy on TV say this is true so I’m just gonna go with that. You’re refusing to see the logical side of things from the kid’s perspective. Yea, it was dangerous. Yea, he should have said no. But no, it’s not quite that easy when the biggest man on campus is telling you to do something.
But hey, apparently you’re a fighting Irish lover on a Vols forum, so good luck to you in your new HC search. Being Catholic, I have a soft spot for ND, so I hope it doesn’t go like ours did.

 

[JMSqb11]

Which is what I said but when I said that Kelly was negligent you said

“He didn’t force that kid to get on the lift….. not like he put a gun to his head and said “go up”…..

Kid could have easily said nope, not today.”

So no that isn’t your argument. Nobody is saying that Brian Kelly forced a gun to his head and went up. Or that he pulled a trigger and killed him. What we are saying is Brian Kelly was negligent in asking him to go up there when conditions weren’t safe and did not take care of his employees in a hazardous situation, which the Indiana Safety Commission agrees with. But instead you think it’s Sullivan’s fault because he didn’t say no because you think he was hero worshipping instead of blaming the guy that asked him to go up there anyways.

At Wal-Mart which was my first job, we had a situation where an employer asked an employee to do something that wasn’t safe and against protocol. The employee did it. Nobody got hurt but guess who got fired? The boss. Like it is every other place in this country.

I never said he was hero worshipping. You are the one who ran with that. You also ran with the idea that a 20 year old who would be tried as an adult for any type of circumstance is incapable of making a personal choice even though we see 20 year old college students every year, month, week make choice with alcohol, sex, and drugs and is held liable for their choices. I fail to see where this circumstance is any different. Brian Kelly can be an ******* while at the same time not a murderer like all these morons are saying every time he’s in the news.


I just fail to see why people are so quick to go at the guy when 1) he didn’t use force to make the kid go in the lift and 2) he was investigated and found to not to be a murderer which the masses proclaim he is….


It’s like every presidential cycle when media networks want to go after candidates for having “racists” endorsing them. Racists still have free speech… just because I say racists have free speech rights doesn’t mean I think racists are good people….

Apparently you’re incapable of separating feelings from facts when it comes to Brian Kelly….. seems weird but people get Buck wild behind a keyboard and on twitter. Wild times indeed

 

[AthensVol2007]

It's one of the most insane positions I've seen someone argue on here.

When he digs his heels in, he just digs deeper. This dude can’t be swayed on anything. The other day he said Riley wouldn’t be the same coach at OU once they enter the SEC but he would’ve killed it at UT had we hired him…WTF!?

 

[JMSqb11]

It’s almost like real world thinking to say “this might be dangerous but since my bosses are asking me to do this, I believe they would know if I’m safe or not and are not putting me at risk.”

If you’re boss at 20 years old asked you to touch a powered on stove eye, would you? Of course not because you either know from experience that it’s a bad idea or can do simple math. Considering Sullivan wasn’t going up on his first lift and had experience obviously, seems odd that questioning his mental development is the route you are going with this…. But hey I did say to please lecture me more on the real world and science. Interesting stuff for sure.

 

[JMSqb11]

I could lecture you, but I can tell you’re the equivalent of the students I have in class. The facts are right in front of you, but mommy/daddy/big guy on TV say this is true so I’m just gonna go with that. You’re refusing to see the logical side of things from the kid’s perspective. Yea, it was dangerous. Yea, he should have said no. But no, it’s not quite that easy when the biggest man on campus is telling you to do something.
But hey, apparently you’re a fighting Irish lover on a Vols forum, so good luck to you in your new HC search. Being Catholic, I have a soft spot for ND, so I hope it doesn’t go like ours did.

Thanks for proving my point. Unless you’re saying he was incapable of saying no to an unsafe position to his boss because at 20, he didn’t know what was safe or unsafe….

Quite wild you think someone can’t look at this incident objectively and arrive at a different opinion than yours. That’s impossible because “mom and pops said so”….

It must pain you when your students try to be free thinkers and don’t arrive at same opinions as what you want them too.

 

[Checker_the_Shire]

When he digs his heels in, he just digs deeper. This dude can’t be swayed on anything. The other day he said Riley wouldn’t be the same coach at OU once they enter the SEC but he would’ve killed it at UT had we hired him…WTF!?

Bet you he’s one of those “Pruitt was a terrible coach, but we never should have fired him for cause” type guys.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

It's one of the most insane positions I've seen someone argue on here.

I think you misspelled "idiotic".

 

[JMSqb11]

He has to know Brian Kelly on some personal level, I refuse to believe someone could not only have so much of logic but lack of compassion about this situation.

Nope. No personal acquaintance of any type. Just noticed the idiots and morons on social tonight running wild.

 

[JMSqb11]

When he digs his heels in, he just digs deeper. This dude can’t be swayed on anything. The other day he said Riley wouldn’t be the same coach at OU once they enter the SEC but he would’ve killed it at UT had we hired him…WTF!?

Guess we won’t find out will we? Had Riley not bolted, we would have. And you clearly have revisionist history. USC had a job opening and if reports are true, they went out and paid a crap ton to get one of the top coaches in the country. At the time of the Tennessee opening, I said very clearly Danny White should just start going at all the top coaches not named Saban, Dabo, or Day and offer unprecedented money…. Riley being hired here would have been met with tons of hype just like he would had here been hired at Florida or LSU. To argue otherwise would be illogical.

 

[JMSqb11]

Bet you he’s one of those “Pruitt was a terrible coach, but we never should have fired him for cause” type guys.

Why would I want us to Fire Pruitt and pay his buyout? You must not be good with money or definitely don’t run a business if you think we shouldn’t have pressed forward at even a small chance of being able to fire him and not pay the buyout…..

 

[Checker_the_Shire]

Guess we won’t find out will we? Had Riley not bolted, we would have. And you clearly have revisionist history. USC had a job opening and if reports are true, they went out and paid a crap ton to get one of the top coaches in the country. At the time of the Tennessee opening, I said very clearly Danny White should just start going at all the top coaches not named Saban, Dabo, or Day and offer unprecedented money…. Riley being hired here would have been met with tons of hype just like he would had here been hired at Florida or LSU. To argue otherwise would be illogical.

Agreed on the hype portion of this. But I’m gonna go ahead and say it for all to see: Riley is overrated. Great record, sure. But given the strength of schedule OU has, it’s really not that impressive when compared to others. Plus, his post season record is TERRIBLE.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Going to be really odd if ND somehow sneaks in the playoff.

 

[JMSqb11]

Agreed on the hype portion of this. But I’m gonna go ahead and say it for all to see: Riley is overrated. Great record, sure. But given the strength of schedule OU has, it’s really not that impressive when compared to others. Plus, his post season record is TERRIBLE.

Okay. But his hire at Tennessee which I was totally clamoring for on the board (and won’t deny) would have been the breaking news good luck bounce our way we’ve missed for a decade…..

Put it this way - if you had chance to replace 8-9 years of Dooley, Butch, and Jeremy Pruitt with Lincoln Riley, would you do it if it required making him top paid coach in the country? Of course you would. It doesn’t matter if you personally think he is overrated. His record is more likely to be successful than not be…. You can only make hires and fires with the info you have in the present.

 

[JMSqb11]

Going to be really odd if ND somehow sneaks in the playoff.

Their DC he stole away from Fickell at Cincy will be auditioning for that job. Could you imagine if they made playoff and won a semifinal with their DC running the team. They’d be like “Fickell / Urban who?”

 

[RollinVol]

It’s crazy how last year everyone needed to take pay cuts. This year everyone is spending like drunken sailors

 

[Checker_the_Shire]

Okay. But his hire at Tennessee which I was totally clamoring for on the board (and won’t deny) would have been the breaking news good luck bounce our way we’ve missed for a decade…..

Put it this way - if you had chance to replace 8-9 years of Dooley, Butch, and Jeremy Pruitt with Lincoln Riley, would you do it if it required making him top paid coach in the country? Of course you would. It doesn’t matter if you personally think he is overrated. His record is more likely to be successful than not be…. You can only make hires and fires with the info you have in the present.

Oh I’m not disagreeing with you in regards to wanting Riley at the time. It definitely would have been a huge move. But I’m just saying that, from an outside perspective who’s happy with how things turned out, he really is overrated.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Going to be really odd if ND somehow sneaks in the playoff.

Even extra odd if Fickell hops to ND and both Cinci and ND get in.

 

[JMSqb11]

It’s crazy how last year everyone needed to take pay cuts. This year everyone is spending like drunken sailors

Got that PPP loan forgiven baby