LSU vs Auburn

#276
#276
ButchPlz said:
On a windy day at ND, Kelly forced a student assistant up into a scissor lift to film practice despite warnings that it was unsafe and stated discomfort from the kid that ended up dying when it blew over.
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“Forced”
 
#277
#277
JMSqb11 said:
I expect them to win tonight and beat UF. Then lose to us, Ole Miss, and Bama. Then win last 3 games for 8-4. Arkansas can not handle a running QB and A&M is garbage
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They may well not win ANY of those. We shall see.
Edit: If UAB is one of last 3, then, yes, they will win that one.
 
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#279
#279
JMSqb11 said:
I got them beating Florida and Arky. I do NOT expect Richardson to play like he did vs us for the rest of season.
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Arkansas will beat them. Florida can beat them if they play like they did in Knoxville. LSU really doesn't look that good. They are getting better but their schedule is brutal.

As stated, I feel like losing that FSU game is going to bite them.
 
#280
#280
JMSqb11 said:
Maybe for the twitter world but it obviously hasn’t impacted his career in a manner where he’s taken “losses” professionally as a result of him wrongfully causing a death.
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He's taken no impact professionally, so it's OK he chased a guy up a scissor lift in high winds (who subsequently died)...

And everyone should forget that?

Nah.... this is his albatross. He'll wear it until the end of time as far as I'm concerned

But.... you ARE right about the fact that it's been beaten to death....

You just gotta expect the occasional reference to it tho....
 
#281
#281
Dudleys87 said:
It’s well known that he gave him no other choice. The fact that people defend him is ridiculous
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Yeah, its not disputed. The student didn't want to go up there but BK insisted, by insist I mean all but shoved the kid into the lift.

Sure, kid might be an "adult" but he was just a student trying to stand up to a powerful figure that could have killed his chances in college.
 
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#283
#283
JMSqb11 said:
It’s a well known fact Kelly didn’t use force to make the student get in a lift. To sit here and say he literally put a gun to the student’s head as if there was not “choice” available is stupidity. It’s almost like we pick and choose when to label people adults or minors based on our personal opinions.
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Physical force no but threatening him he did. No one ever said he put a gun to his head. To threaten to take things away because someone doesent do what you want them to do is childish.
 
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#284
#284
Entertaining first half. Does LSU get rolling in second half or can Auburn get enough offense to pull off the upset?
 
#287
#287
GhostVol said:
He's taken no impact professionally, so it's OK he chased a guy up a scissor lift in high winds (who subsequently died)...

And everyone should forget that?

Nah.... this is his albatross. He'll wear it until the end of time as far as I'm concerned

But.... you ARE right about the fact that it's been beaten to death....

You just gotta expect the occasional reference to it tho....
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Brian Kelly used force to make Sullivan go into the lift? He physically forced him to get up there against his will? Sullivan, an adult, had zero choice to go up in the lift?

Seems very odd to me that people will go to whatever lengths to pin “he killed a kid” statements just because they dislike someone out of sports fandom. Every time it is brought up, I’m surprised every time to learn that the head coach of a football team put a gun to a student and forced them to do something against their will and face no repercussions for it. You’d think someone forcing someone to their death would be more punishing.
 
#288
#288
GhostVol said:
"You can either do it or I'll fire you and find someone else who will"

Yes.... forced
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You can do this, keep job, or you can’t, and you lose job? Sure sounds like a choice and not being forced against will
 
#289
#289
ButchPlz said:
I knew someone in the AD there at Notre Dame at the time that left very shortly after that incident because of how BK handled it.
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He smirked and damn near laughed it off. For some to sit here and defend him is sickening. I guarantee if that happened at Tennessee not one of them would defend his actions
 
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#290
#290
Dudleys87 said:
Physical force no but threatening him he did. No one ever said he put a gun to his head. To threaten to take things away because someone doesent do what you want them to do is childish.
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To force someone to do something means you remove that someone’s choice and free will. That was never the case in this. But apparently that’s irrelevant because your sports fandom in this case matters more in disliking someone than actual facts.
 
#292
#292
JMSqb11 said:
Brian Kelly used force to make Sullivan go into the lift? He physically forced him to get up there against his will? Sullivan, an adult, had zero choice to go up in the lift?

Seems very odd to me that people will go to whatever lengths to pin “he killed a kid” statements just because they dislike someone out of sports fandom. Every time it is brought up, I’m surprised every time to learn that the head coach of a football team put a gun to a student and forced them to do something against their will and face no repercussions for it. You’d think someone forcing someone to their death would be more punishing.
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Go back and read my last post on the matter, #282 I think....

Force comes from other aspects than "physical"

One word from Kelly to the right people would have ruined the kid's potential career, in any field

So he did as he was told, and lost his life
 
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#294
#294
Dudleys87 said:
Physical force no but threatening him he did. No one ever said he put a gun to his head. To threaten to take things away because someone doesent do what you want them to do is childish.
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I believe it was a shotgun to his genitalia. After the third shot to the crotch the kid went up the ladder then saw the lightning bolt came off the top rail grabbed a hold of it commit suicide to prevent himself from having to get shot in the crotch again.
 
#295
#295
JMSqb11 said:
To force someone to do something means you remove that someone’s choice and free will. That was never the case in this. But apparently that’s irrelevant because your sports fandom in this case matters more in disliking someone than actual facts.
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He told him point blank either go up the lift or I’m taking things away that the kid earned. That’s an abuse of power at minimum. To sit here and paint him as completely innocent is silly. He knew it was unsafe but somehow video taping practice was more important.
 
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#297
#297
Manchester Vol said:
I believe it was a shotgun to his genitalia. After the third shot to the crotch the kid went up the ladder then saw the lightning bolt came off the top rail grabbed a hold of it commit suicide to prevent himself from having to get shot in the crotch again.
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Attempt at humor noted
 
#298
#298
Multiple other coaches throughout the Midwest moved practices indoors for that day, specifically because of the dangers that the high winds posed to their film crews. Even After the scaffold collapsed, killing Sullivan, practice went on…..
 
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#300
#300
Nerwen Aldarion said:
Yeah that's a terrible argument. Its like saying a woman isn't raped because the guy didn't have a gun to her head.
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Not really. If a rape is committed, it’s because someone used force to eliminate the other person’s choice of consent to said rape. Judging by some on here, Kelly basically committed a rape like action because he removed all personal choice, consent from the student as the student didn’t choose to go up in the lift.

If you agree that Kelly removed the student’s freedom of choice/consent, then you choosing to agree with what didn’t actually happen. At the end of the day, the biggest Kelly haters are mostly driven by dislike due to sports fandom. Seems weird.
 
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