Magallanes (UT -Purdue MCB ref)

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Golfprovol said:
Really??? Now the OSU AD makes the decision or recommendation of what ref crew should be used in and OSU game.....

Dude let it go. Being worried about the refs a week before the game is loser mentality.

How many close calls did this crew get right?

Stop being focused on the negative, life is much better, much less stressful, much more happy when you let the negative go.
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The NCAA told the Conferences to designate 2 officiating Crews to cover the first 8 games of the CFP. Each Conference provided 2 crews for the first 8 games of the CFP. So that were No conflicts or bias between officials and teams from the same conference. The host team's AD chooses between the two crews submitted.
The 4 teams not working these 1st round game will officiate the Bye Games (Qtr Finals)

IYO, it is not a loser mentality. I don't like coincidences, I don't think we lose. So figure it out. We have turned into a world of negative thinking. Then, again we were all to rosey in what we were seeing as well.
 
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VolCalls said:
Right, but what data you have that says this crew is not good at their job - or is it just your opinion because they aren't an SEC crew?
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I think the anecdotal data is provided at the start of the thread. No fan is going to take the time to gather more than anecdotal data. I think it's reasonable for fans to be disappointed that they have a ref that so obviously screwed up in the past.
 
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Hunter10139 said:
I think the anecdotal data is provided at the start of the thread. No fan is going to take the time to gather more than anecdotal data. I think it's reasonable for fans to be disappointed that they have a ref that so obviously screwed up in the past.
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I didn't realize we had posters here who have never made a mistake before.
 
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VolCalls said:
Right, but what data you have that says this crew is not good at their job - or is it just your opinion because they aren't an SEC crew?
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Oh yes I think if you peruse my post history you will find I’m totally in support of SEC officiating. I think our crews are some of the worst honestly.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
The NCAA designated the Conference Crews to cover each game. Each Conference provided 2 crews for the first 8 games of the CFP. Done so that there are no conflicts between officials and teams from the same conference. The host team's AD chooses between the two crews submitted.
The 4 teams not working these 1st round game will officiate the Bye Games (Qtr Finals)

IYO, it is a loser mentality. I don't like coincidences, I don't think we lose. So figure it out. We have turned into a world of negative thinking. Then, again we were all to rosey in what we were seeing as well.
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It is loser mentality, fans are complaining about the refs a week before the game is played. Sounds pretty loser to me.

The OP only used 2 examples of this crews ability....if those are the only 2 bad calls over a 4 year period is damn good......

How many importand calls has this crew gotten correct? That data isn't available because it won't fit the "refs are against UT" narrative
 
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THEONLYTENISEE said:
So only 2 bad calls in 4 years. There’s bad officiating every game.
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And it's not just him. Those went to replay booth. More than 1 person looked at those plays and agreed with him. Either way, I don't much get into the ref stuff that much.i get tired of the persecution mentality so many fans have. Play well and take them out of the game.
 
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Golfprovol said:
It is loser mentality, fans are complaining about the refs a week before the game is played. Sounds pretty loser to me.

The OP only used 2 examples of this crews ability....if those are the only 2 bad calls over a 4 year period is damn good......

How many importand calls has this crew gotten correct? That data isn't available because it won't fit the "refs are against UT" narrative
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Well get over it. Fans have knowledge that they never have had before. We actually know the crew officiating the game 14 days before the game. Knew the conference 14 days and then the crew.
I used the Miami - VT and stated they got it right. Some may disagree with me but that is fans.
It is not all about these two calls. It is about understanding how differently the Conferences call the entire game. Rules are left up to interpretation by crews and evaluations. Both vary from Conference to Conference. I would rather have SEC officials out there because at least I know what to expect on a holding call.
So not so much of a bias as there is a consistency problem of the same rules.
A call rarely makes a game but it can and it is seen but 7 holding calls or 2 PI called or not called can do the same. The little things add up and when the consistency changes in the game then we have a problem.
So I constantly am concerned about any officiating crew, this crew we just happen to have a history with of which he missed an important call in plain sight and has never explained or been held accountable.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Well get over it. Fans have knowledge that they never have had before. We actually know the crew officiating the game 14 days before the game. Knew the conference 14 days and then the crew.
I used the Miami - VT and stated they got it right. Some may disagree with me but that is fans.
It is not all about these two calls. It is about understanding how differently the Conferences call the entire game. Rules are left up to interpretation by crews and evaluations. Both vary from Conference to Conference. I would rather have SEC officials out there because at least I know what to expect on a holding call.
So not so much of a bias as there is a consistency problem of the same rules.
I call rarely makes a game but it can and it is seen but 7 holding calls or 2 PI called or not called can do the same. The little things add up and when the consistency changes in the game then we have a problem.
So I constantly am concerned about any officiating crew, this crew we just happen to have a history with of which he missed an important call in plain sight and has never explained or been held accountable.
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So over a 4 year period the have a 1:2 ratio. 2 bad calls and 1 good call? Like I said, how many have they gotten right? I bet it is a lot more than people think.

Play the game and dont worry about things you cannot control. The refs are something UT cannot control, fans cannot control, coaches cannot control, so why worry about it?
 
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Golfprovol said:
Jesus people, can we PLEASE, pretty PLEASE drop the "ref are out to get us" narrative? These are people, people make bad calls. Yeah it may have hosed us once, but that does not mean the dude hates UT and will do anything to make us lose. These threads are sucking the life out of this site.

On Monday, I want you to go to your job and purposely do something that will hose the employee that you dislike the most. Would you risk your career for that?

Can the moderators please delete any thread about the refs or any other "bias" against UT.
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I agree with you. Except asking the mods to delete.

There’s a such thing as free speech.

I do wish some Vol fans would stop painting Tennessee as victims.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
The NCAA told the Conferences to designate 2 officiating Crews to cover the first 8 games of the CFP. Each Conference provided 2 crews for the first 8 games of the CFP. So that were No conflicts or bias between officials and teams from the same conference. The host team's AD chooses between the two crews submitted.
The 4 teams not working these 1st round game will officiate the Bye Games (Qtr Finals)

IYO, it is not a loser mentality. I don't like coincidences, I don't think we lose. So figure it out. We have turned into a world of negative thinking. Then, again we were all to rosey in what we were seeing as well.
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Host teams shouldn’t get to chose either the visiting team should or how about coin flip?
 
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Golfprovol said:
Hard to say someone sucks at their job when we have never done the job or been trained to do the job. Like me saying you suck at your job when I have zero clue what you do or how to do it.

He may have missed calls, but how many did he get right? What is the % of right verses wrong? Our "refs are bias" fans only think about the wrong ones.

I am sure the Bama fans are whining about the 2022 P.I./interception call was "bias" and wrong, when it was actually correct.
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Wonder why do not have the equivalent of PFF grades for refs?

Maybe too much Vegas money involved, the NCAA and SEC certainly have money to incentivize refs to do better via bonuses based on good grades…..
 
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A hidden stat that may be of interest brought up by Chris Lee of Southeasten 16 to Basillio is that they don't throw near as many flags in the little10 as they do in the SEC or even the ACC. Tenn being heavily penalized may not be as big of a deal if OSU is thrown off by a few more penalties than they're accustomed to.
 
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Golfprovol said:
So over a 4 year period the have a 1:2 ratio. 2 bad calls and 1 good call? Like I said, how many have they gotten right? I bet it is a lot more than people think.

Play the game and dont worry about things you cannot control. The refs are something UT cannot control, fans cannot control, coaches cannot control, so why worry about it?
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so you are watching every game they officiated mix crews and you have noted every missed call as well. You are using two calls calling them bad and asserting this to a 4 year period. When was the Duke Miami call 2015? of which he got suspended. You evidently don't know what you are representing and have bad facts. 2015 was the Duke Miami call two calls known the Tennessee call was just a missed plain site call. Is this incompetent yes. did I think it was bias, no clue. Do I think he is human yes do I think he has missed more than two calls in the 9 year period, absolutely.
So tell your uncle I said hello....
 
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Sudden Impact said:
so you are watching every game they officiated mix crews and you have noted every missed call as well. You are using two calls calling them bad and asserting this to a 4 year period. When was the Duke Miami call 2015? of which he got suspended. You evidently don't know what you are representing and have bad facts. 2015 was the Duke Miami call two calls known the Tennessee call was just a missed plain site call. Is this incompetent yes. did I think it was bias, no clue. Do I think he is human yes do I think he has missed more than two calls in the 9 year period, absolutely.
So tell your uncle I said hello....
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What are you talking about? You obviously have a reading comprehension issue or maybe you just can't read!

The OP gave us 2 bad calls from this ref and said the Miami - VT call was correct, one of the bad calls was from a while ago, hence the 4 year thing. Read the thread before commenting or better yet, take some advice.

It is better to be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

Oh and by the way, my uncle passed away last week
 
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Golfprovol said:
He would be hosing his own company if you read that again. Point being, this crew will not risk their career to purposely hose UT because they simply want the ACC to do better.

UT losing this game has zero bearing on the recruiting of ACC teams, especially ones that did not make the field.

Totally different than the NFL where there is one central control point for refs. The ref bias against UT is a made up narrative that fans here will die to cling to. Every teams gets hosed or thinks they get hosed on calls.
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The bad calls are a FACT! The only question is whether it is done on purpose or are they just really, really bad at their jobs? And unless you have proof, you cannot rule out organized crime influence in the game due to gambling.
 
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Volnanza said:
The bad calls are a FACT! The only question is whether it is done on purpose or are they just really, really bad at their jobs? And unless you have proof, you cannot rule out organized crime influence in the game due to gambling.
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I can rule out that the on field ref was the only one involved as both players were reviewed. So, that means more than one person agreed with the call, hard to organize cheating from the replay booth as well as the refs on field
 
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