Magallanes (UT -Purdue MCB ref)

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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
That is just the issue. The vast majority of us have some accountability structure if we mess up. Referees can make one egregious blunder after another and there is virtually NO accountability. There may not be rampant team-specific bias, but if you don’t see a problem with officiating in college football, you haven’t been looking.
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What leads you to think there is no accountability and what sort of accountability would you like?
 
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Golfprovol said:
Jesus people, can we PLEASE, pretty PLEASE drop the "ref are out to get us" narrative? These are people, people make bad calls. Yeah it may have hosed us once, but that does not mean the dude hates UT and will do anything to make us lose. These threads are sucking the life out of this site.

On Monday, I want you to go to your job and purposely do something that will hose the employee that you dislike the most. Would you risk your career for that?

Can the moderators please delete any thread about the refs or any other "bias" against UT.
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I hit a site called "Buckeye Planet" and they apparently have a thread dedicated to "BMW" for the upcoming game.

A "Bitch, Moan, and Whine" thread which can be used in the game, apparently, to avoid clogging up the board and game thread with nonsense.

It's not a terrible idea that mods could throw all the whining into a single cesspool thread for each game.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I hit a site called "Buckeye Planet" and they apparently have a thread dedicated to "BMW" for the upcoming game.

A "Bitch, Moan, and Whine" thread which can be used in the game, apparently, to avoid clogging up the board and game thread with nonsense.

It's not a terrible idea that mods could throw all the whining into a single cesspool thread for each game.
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Damn good idea!!!!
 
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Golfprovol said:
I can rule out that the on field ref was the only one involved as both players were reviewed. So, that means more than one person agreed with the call, hard to organize cheating from the replay booth as well as the refs on field
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tell your dad I said hello....
 
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I always chuckle at the "these guys won't risk their careers to screw someone" argument.

Did Al Mathews suffer any punishment for saying Gaffney caught that touchdown? He continued to be an SEC refereee and even returned to Neyland several years after that.

This guy Magallanes who participated in that wild VT-Miami ending was suspended by the ACC for majorly screwing up another game in the ACC back in 2015. And now he's back refereeing in the College Football Playoffs. So did he suffer any real punishment either?

Whether or not they're calling things in favor of teams, I don't think anyone can say they receive any sort of serious consequences when they materially impact games.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
The same referee who thought this wasnt a TD

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And who thought this Miami guy wasn't down

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Is going to be the referee of the game Saturday at OSU. Yep, the same referee from the Purude MCB fiasco, the Duke/Miami fiasco.
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The worst part is replay did not fix our call. Our guy was in the endzone when he finally blew the whistle and ran in. It is not where a ref judges the ball to be, but where the ball actually is when he SIGNALS progress based on his judgement.
 
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Golfprovol said:
What does that mean? My dad died when I was 5.....
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I understand, I am sorry.
Magallanes is just a piss poor referee, I would prefer someone better.
The ACC as a whole has a bias.
This game will draw a good size Vegas betting crowd and is the only Game ESPN is heavily promoting.
Officials have influence in every game.
I have no faith that this crew can call a fairly clean game.
No Bias at play, just know officials are human and this crew appears to be incompetent.
Post after the game Saturday. Hopefully this game will not be close and zero impact calls.
I have seen enough in my past to not consider any officials in any big games.
If you are going to defend him defend him with facts. 4 yrs should have been 10.

before the VT game the headlines were:

Virginia Tech fans are in for a nasty surprise as to who the ACC referee is against Clemson​

You'll never guess who the head referee is for Saturday's game between Clemson and Virginia Tech.

ACC lost all remaining credibility with Friday’s finish between Miami and Virginia Tech​


Even some ACC schools know.

Ga Tech vs FSU

His crew likes to keep it within the point spread.

When you are a ref and your name draws attention by the entire conference it is never for a good reason and you are not a great ref.
 
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VolCalls said:
I didn't realize we had posters here who have never made a mistake before.
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I didn't say that, don't be ridiculous. I just said it's reasonable to not be happy about a ref who has screwed up one of your teams game, especially on a call that is that bad. If you can't understand that then I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
The ACC choose the crew to represent their conference. They hate the SEC. It is all about recruiting. As far as this ref is concerned, yea it is a slap in the face to select his crew. Mentally it can cause problems but who knows.
The ACC has a chip on their soldiers so get over it, life ain't fair.
Tennessee just do your job. Wright sits in the NFL and this ref is still doing his lousy jobs.
I think CJH pisses off refs and they don't like him.
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Heupel’s two highest penalized games have been reffed by ACC crews.
 
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Volnanza said:
The bad calls are a FACT! The only question is whether it is done on purpose or are they just really, really bad at their jobs? And unless you have proof, you cannot rule out organized crime influence in the game due to gambling.
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Exactly, you think refs don't gamble and especially when they can have some influence. If you watched the Tenn basketball game today it was a prime example in the second half. Tenn 13 fouls at one point and Illinois 3 fouls after a 1st half of fouls galore on both teams. Effort to take the #1 team down!
 
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Golfprovol said:
Hard to say someone sucks at their job when we have never done the job or been trained to do the job. Like me saying you suck at your job when I have zero clue what you do or how to do it.
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It’s very easy to say someone sucks at their job if you know what the end product is supposed to be and you’ve watched numerous people perform it.

Golfprovol said:
Play the game and dont worry about things you cannot control. The refs are something UT cannot control, fans cannot control, coaches cannot control, so why worry about it?
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If fans can’t control anything, then what are you worrying over?

Golfprovol said:
Ok, you are right...maybe not delete but merge so all the conspiracy theorists can be in one forum
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I can’t think of anything more pathetic than crying “conspiracy theorists” whenever people start talking about a scam.
 
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If this cheating chump shafts UT again like he did just 3 years ago vs Purdue on a blatantly obvious score then there needs to be repercussions. Screw worrying about a stupid fine...CJH, Danny, Donde, all of them make huge $$$ and can afford a fine. I want to see them reflect the pain...disgust...betrayal...all the terrible feelings the Coaches, team, and fanbase felt last time and will feel again. Tired of getting hosed by the refs...somethings got to give and the only way to cause change is through actions. We got the shaft all season this year from the refs. Blatant, ridiculous holds on Pearce AND Josephs as well as their backups all year long were ignored. Thats why Pearce lead the SEC in pressure % easily bit had fewer sacks than last season. Pass interference was ridiculous too...yet WE were one of the most penalized teams in FBS. Tennessee fans are sick and tired of this bullcrap. We had the best Defensive line in the NATION this year, best in the playoffs now...yet finished in the middle of the SEC in sacks. Ridiculous. The SEC refs were absolute garbage all year, and now we get an ACC crew lead by this cheating jackazz that stole a victory over Miami from VA tech this season...AFTER being suspended a couple years ago for cheating to give a win to....Miami. See a pattern there? How does any referee that has been suspended for being terrible/crooked at his job get selected to be the head referee for the biggest primetime 8PM game of the 1st round of the playoffs??? Its ridiculous.
 
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adam.vol said:
It’s very easy to say someone sucks at their job if you know what the end product is supposed to be and you’ve watched numerous people perform it.


If fans can’t control anything, then what are you worrying over?


I can’t think of anything more pathetic than crying “conspiracy theorists” whenever people start talking about a scam.
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So every NBA player sucks because we watched MJ perform?

100% guaranteed that ANY current college basketball ref is better at their job than you or I. Judging people on something you can't do yourself is pretty sh**ty regardless of what you think the end result is supposed to look like.

Give us screen shots of missed calls to discuss

You are missing the point. The constant complaining about the refs makes this forum hard to enjoy. The idea is discussing the very university we are love, the games we are watching, the hopes of championships, etc. not chicken little

And you have actual proof of this scam? And proof means hard evidence, something tangible not just "it is easy to see" or " anyone can tell" type of proof. If not, then that is the definition of a conspiracy theory.
 
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Did this ref specifically make those calls? In the SEC, if a call is reviewed isn't it done in B'ham? The ref isn't making the call, he just announces it.
 
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Golfprovol said:
Jesus people, can we PLEASE, pretty PLEASE drop the "ref are out to get us" narrative? These are people, people make bad calls. Yeah it may have hosed us once, but that does not mean the dude hates UT and will do anything to make us lose. These threads are sucking the life out of this site.

On Monday, I want you to go to your job and purposely do something that will hose the employee that you dislike the most. Would you risk your career for that?

Can the moderators please delete any thread about the refs or any other "bias" against UT.
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So you’re for censorship. There would be no need for this site if dissenting opinions weren’t allowed.
 
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Golfprovol said:
So every NBA player sucks because we watched MJ perform?

100% guaranteed that ANY current college basketball ref is better at their job than you or I. Judging people on something you can't do yourself is pretty sh**ty regardless of what you think the end result is supposed to look like.

Give us screen shots of missed calls to discuss

You are missing the point. The constant complaining about the refs makes this forum hard to enjoy. The idea is discussing the very university we are love, the games we are watching, the hopes of championships, etc. not chicken little

And you have actual proof of this scam? And proof means hard evidence, something tangible not just "it is easy to see" or " anyone can tell" type of proof. If not, then that is the definition of a conspiracy theory.
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Providing you any more evidence is beating a dead horse. You’ve had enough in this thread that you have dismissed without acknowledging anything.

Is a pyramid scheme a conspiracy theory? No. It just takes one scammer and a bunch of unwitting players. Widespread corruption or malpractice does not equal a conspiracy theory, either. It just means the system is broken.

“Conspiracy theory” has become a buzz phrase that lazy people use to advertise that they don’t know what they’re talking about. Something corrupt people throw the phrase around to make the lazy thinkers feel safe about avoiding critical thought.
 
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Rushin Orange Collusion said:
So you’re for censorship. There would be no need for this site if dissenting opinions weren’t allowed.
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Not at all. The issue is there is zero proof of everyone out to get UT narrative. These conspiracy theorists take over every single thread and make the site a drag.

Just because you think it, doesn't mean you should type it
 
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adam.vol said:
Providing you any more evidence is beating a dead horse. You’ve had enough in this thread that you have dismissed without acknowledging anything.

Is a pyramid scheme a conspiracy theory? No. It just takes one scammer and a bunch of unwitting players. Widespread corruption or malpractice does not equal a conspiracy theory, either. It just means the system is broken.

“Conspiracy theory” has become a buzz phrase that lazy people use to advertise that they don’t know what they’re talking about. Something corrupt people throw the phrase around to make the lazy thinkers feel safe about avoiding critical thought.
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What should the result look like?

I have acknowledged the 2 missed calls that were mentioned, I also acknowledged the 1 correct call that was stated. It seems 2 bad calls in 4 years doesnt suck. Show more bad calls if there are any.

A pyramid scheme has hard evidence that can be shown. There is a paper trail, there are things left that actually show what happened. You saying a guy sucks at being a ref is an opinion that is only supported by a couple of mistakes over the period of 4 years. Those mistakes were both looked at by a replay official who agreed. So the decision was not singularly made.

So I am a lazy corrupt person because I refuse to judge someone else based on a job I cannot do?
 
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