Magallanes (UT -Purdue MCB ref)

[UTFanForLife]

Hard to say someone sucks at their job when we have never done the job or been trained to do the job. Like me saying you suck at your job when I have zero clue what you do or how to do it.

He may have missed calls, but how many did he get right? What is the % of right verses wrong? Our "refs are bias" fans only think about the wrong ones.

I am sure the Bama fans are whining about the 2022 P.I./interception call was "bias" and wrong, when it was actually correct.

Let me give you some insight, I have never been suspended for bad performance.

There are multiple examples of egregious calls, a series of 8 misses on one play that led to a suspension in one instance.

It doesn’t really matter how many you get wrong or right when the most important calls in critical situations are the ones that end up wrong the most.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Exactly, you think refs don't gamble and especially when they can have some influence. If you watched the Tenn basketball game today it was a prime example in the second half. Tenn 13 fouls at one point and Illinois 3 fouls after a 1st half of fouls galore on both teams. Effort to take the #1 team down!

By that logic, do you think players and coaches don't gamble also? It's really easy to drop a pass, miss a block, cough up the ball, throw a pick, etc. It's also really easy to mismanage the clock, call a bad play or defense, sub poorly, etc.

Corruption COULD exist at every level. Saying it does commonly occur only at the ref level is naive, isn't it? There's a pot of money for players and coaches to throw games because they can be SURE if they drop a TD pass or two to control the outcome. Refs have fewer chances to be SURE to throw a game.

 

[UTFanForLife]

You’ve really analyzed his work in depth I’m sure

Don’t need to go in depth, plenty of examples on the first page when googling the man’s name.

 

[Golfprovol]

Let me give you some insight, I have never been suspended for bad performance.

There are multiple examples of egregious calls, a series of 8 misses on one play that led to a suspension in one instance.

It doesn’t really matter how many you get wrong or right when the most important calls in critical situations are the ones that end up wrong the most.

But you have made mistakes at work? Did you get a written warning? Most jobs never suspend employees for poor performance, they give them warnings and then termination happens.

So you are saying he could get 1000 right and miss 1 and he sucks?

Were those most egregious calls reviewed? If so them there were other people who agreed with the call. 8 misses on one play, which play was that, and I seriously doubt 1 ref was in the correct position to call 8 penalties.

 

[Rushin Orange Collusion]

Not at all. The issue is there is zero proof of everyone out to get UT narrative. These conspiracy theorists take over every single thread and make the site a drag.

Just because you think it, doesn't mean you should type it

This thread isn’t about “everyone”. It is about one referee and, IMO, he has earned the right to be called out by our fans. To call this discussion a coup by conspiracy theorists is a little melodramatic.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

This thread isn’t about “everyone”. It is about one referee and, IMO, he has earned the right to be called out by our fans. To call this discussion a coup by conspiracy theorists is a little melodramatic.

It's really consistent in any game day thread on VN.

"Here come the refs...."
"They're not going to let us win" (talking about refs)
"Of course they call it on us. Corrupt."
"They got the call from Birmingham"

Continuous crap. Senseless crap. EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. THREAD.

 

[Sudden Impact]

So every NBA player sucks because we watched MJ perform?

100% guaranteed that ANY current college basketball ref is better at their job than you or I. Judging people on something you can't do yourself is pretty sh**ty regardless of what you think the end result is supposed to look like.

Give us screen shots of missed calls to discuss

You are missing the point. The constant complaining about the refs makes this forum hard to enjoy. The idea is discussing the very university we are love, the games we are watching, the hopes of championships, etc. not chicken little

And you have actual proof of this scam? And proof means hard evidence, something tangible not just "it is easy to see" or " anyone can tell" type of proof. If not, then that is the definition of a conspiracy theory.

You should just walk away yourself because if you leave it alone then we will not have a big mess.
Instead, you selected to counter and defend Magallanes in a thread devoted to him.
IOW, don't come in here and say don't do that
IOW ignore the thread vs this any other crew would not have drawn this attention.
I don't like this crew, don't trust this crew, his crew has a bad reputation in the ACC, there is possibly an ACC bias, his games are filled with yellow flags, he must watch the vegas lines.
He is a distraction. If this is one of two best crews in the ACC then the ACC has a problem of which I really would appreciate that they did not share.

You are in a thread labeled

Magallanes (UT -Purdue MCB ref)​

what did you expect? Go to the ACC forum threads and see their comments as well. Most don't like him as well. Pre game comments and then the after game.
He is not worthy of a CFP job.

 

[Golfprovol]

This thread isn’t about “everyone”. It is about one referee and, IMO, he has earned the right to be called out by our fans. To call this discussion a coup by conspiracy theorists is a little melodramatic.

It started out about how 1 ACC ref wants to hose the SEC. Post after post shows people believe this guy will lose the game for us. Don't you think that is a tad much since the game is still 7 days away?

So you believe the " ESPN hates us," the "we always get screwed by the refs," the SEC office being in Alabama screws us," those chicken little narratives?

 

[Sudden Impact]

It's really consistent in any game day thread on VN.

"Here come the refs...."
"They're not going to let us win" (talking about refs)
"Of course they call it on us. Corrupt."
"They got the call from Birmingham"

Continuous crap. Senseless crap. EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. THREAD.

This is not a game thread,

Magallanes (UT -Purdue MCB ref)​

 

[UTFanForLife]

But you have made mistakes at work? Did you get a written warning? Most jobs never suspend employees for poor performance, they give them warnings and then termination happens.

So you are saying he could get 1000 right and miss 1 and he sucks?

Were those most egregious calls reviewed? If so them there were other people who agreed with the call. 8 misses on one play, which play was that, and I seriously doubt 1 ref was in the correct position to call 8 penalties.

Oh I’ve made mistakes, never bad enough to receive any warnings/write ups/suspensions.

If that 1 miss was bad enough that it cost a team a game, then yes. See Miami vs Duke. But also see VT vs Miami, UT vs Purdue.

The problem is this guy is the head ref, he comes with a crew, those guys stay together for games. There is instant replay to get things right. In the Miami vs Duke game they also suspended the review ref. You can’t put a crew like that in a big situation.

 

[Golfprovol]

It's really consistent in any game day thread on VN.

"Here come the refs...."
"They're not going to let us win" (talking about refs)
"Of course they call it on us. Corrupt."
"They got the call from Birmingham"

Continuous crap. Senseless crap. EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. THREAD.

Wears me out, makes it less fun. The men's game thread yesterday was atrocious.

 

[rjd970]

Jesus people, can we PLEASE, pretty PLEASE drop the "ref are out to get us" narrative? These are people, people make bad calls. Yeah it may have hosed us once, but that does not mean the dude hates UT and will do anything to make us lose. These threads are sucking the life out of this site.

On Monday, I want you to go to your job and purposely do something that will hose the employee that you dislike the most. Would you risk your career for that?

Can the moderators please delete any thread about the refs or any other "bias" against UT.

I’m lol’ing at the “risk your career” analogy. When have any of these guys got fired? At most they get a suspension, and that’s extremely rare and normally after one of the favorites gets screwed on something. This is about the lack of accountability as much as it it about the awful calls and obvious one-sided officiating these guys do all the time.

These officials aren’t going to lose their jobs because they aren’t professionally paid as full time officials. They get special protection so they don’t get questioned. Players and coaches have to face media questions after games, and these guys should to.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Wears me out, makes it less fun. The men's game thread yesterday was atrocious.

As was the officiating.

Let me remind you that you are in the

Magallanes (UT -Purdue MCB ref)​

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

This is not a game thread,

Magallanes (UT -Purdue MCB ref)​

I get it but I replied to someone insisting it's only a small percentage of VN posters who claim a ref conspiracy. If they're small, they're damn vocal in every single game thread in insisting the games are "corrupt" or "rigged" or "the fix is in" or whatever.

It's every thread. Every game. No matter who the crew is.

 

[Rushin Orange Collusion]

It started out about how 1 ACC ref wants to hose the SEC. Post after post shows people believe this guy will lose the game for us. Don't you think that is a tad much since the game is still 7 days away?

So you believe the " ESPN hates us," the "we always get screwed by the refs," the SEC office being in Alabama screws us," those chicken little narratives?

I never said anything that supports those narratives; although, I will always support our fans’ right to express their feelings.

 

[Golfprovol]

You should just walk away yourself because if you leave it alone then we want have a big mess.
Instead, you selected to counter and defend Magallanes in a thread devoted to him.
IOW, don't come in here and say don't do that
IOW ignore the thread vs this any other crew would not have drawn this attention.
I don't like this crew, don't trust this crew, his crew has a bad reputation in the ACC, there is possibly an ACC bias, his games are filled with yellow flags, he must watch the vegas lines.
He is a distraction. If this is one of two best crews in the ACC then the ACC has a problem of which I really would appreciate that they did not share.

You are in a thread labeled

Magallanes (UT -Purdue MCB ref)​

what did you expect? Go to the ACC forum threads and see their comments as well. Most don't like him as well. Pre game comments and then the after game.
He is not worthy of a CFP job.

And you proof he watches Vegas lines? Because if you do, then why didn't you say so earlier? If you don't have proof, making such statements is conspiracy.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Wears me out, makes it less fun. The men's game thread yesterday was atrocious.

I find the ignore button for some folks in game threads, then I'll turn it off afterwards. They behave like children in the game threads and can be reasonable in other threads.

I'd be too embarrassed to be either drunk posting like that or overly emotional at a game and sh**posting conspiracy crap.

The refs SHOULD BE full-time and SHOULD BE more professional as is the college game now.

The stadiums have improved, the coaching has improved, the turf has improved, the locker rooms have improved, the players have improved.

Everything has been updated but we're still using the same system of part-time refs? Dumb.

 

[Sudden Impact]

I get it but I replied to someone insisting it's only a small percentage of VN posters who claim a ref conspiracy. If they're small, they're damn vocal in every single game thread in insisting the games are "corrupt" or "rigged" or "the fix is in" or whatever.

It's every thread. Every game. No matter who the crew is.

I think the point is simple.
Magallanes has a reputation in the ACC and in bowl games.
ACC gave him 1 of two slots for the CFP which was probably not deserved.
Can you name any other crews by name?
The fanbase in the ACC even has a problem with him.
Bias? on the take? who knows, who cares at this point.
If he has a bad rep before the game he is pretty much free game.

I don't want a makeup call from the Purdue game. I want a fairly called even game without REFs being a factor.

My gut tells me that based on past experiences his crew is not capable of doing so.

 

[Golfprovol]

I find the ignore button for some folks in game threads, then I'll turn it off afterwards. They behave like children in the game threads and can be reasonable in other threads.

I'd be too embarrassed to be either drunk posting like that or overly emotional at a game and sh**posting conspiracy crap.

The refs SHOULD BE full-time and SHOULD BE more professional as is the college game now.

The stadiums have improved, the coaching has improved, the turf has improved, the locker rooms have improved, the players have improved.

Everything has been updated but we're still using the same system of part-time refs? Dumb.

They should be professional refs, they aren't yet but maybe soon.
Seems the "ref" narrative creeps into other threads more and more.
I don't want to ignore people as they may have insight I don't, but I may have to start.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I think the point is simple.
Magallanes has a reputation in the ACC and in bowl games.
ACC gave him 1 of two slots for the CFP which was probably not deserved.
Can you name any other crews by name?
The fanbase in the ACC even has a problem with him.
Bias? on the take? who knows, who cares at this point.
If he has a bad rep before the game he is pretty much free game.

I don't want a makeup call from the Purdue game. I want a fairly called even game without REFs being a factor.

My gut tells me that based on past experiences his crew is not capable of doing so.

I couldn't name any crew by name nor official.

Perhaps this guy is a problem but the bigger problem is having part-time refs for a billion dollar sports system in college.

And it remains, NO MATTER WHO CALLS UT GAMES, VN game threads are full of people claiming "the refs are out to screw us" and "it's corrupt" and such. You're around a lot. You know that's true.

This guy may be particularly egregious and possibly biased but you'd never know it from a game thread here because if Jesus was reffing a UT game, he's not going to call it fair for us according to any VN game thread.

It's a matter of "The boy who cried wolf" for me. Every game thread. Every time. So who knows when it's legit or not?

 

[Sudden Impact]

And you proof he watches Vegas lines? Because if you do, then why didn't you say so earlier? If you don't have proof, making such statements is conspiracy.

Here is what I want you to do prove me wrong. Go look at the scores of the games he has Referee and check the scores against the LV lines. Then we'll talk.

You call it a conspiracy its ok to do so, if it fits your agenda. I would call it a crime. I would call it unethical. I would call it a lot of things. I would not call it a conspiracy.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

They should be professional refs, they aren't yet but maybe soon.
Seems the "ref" narrative creeps into other threads more and more.
I don't want to ignore people as they may have insight I don't, but I may have to start.

Just for the game threads and when they get on a "it's the refs screwing us" tear when we're actually playing like crap or hurting ourselves with legit penalties.

 

[Golfprovol]

I think the point is simple.
Magallanes has a reputation in the ACC and in bowl games.
ACC gave him 1 of two slots for the CFP which was probably not deserved.
Can you name any other crews by name?
The fanbase in the ACC even has a problem with him.
Bias? on the take? who knows, who cares at this point.
If he has a bad rep before the game he is pretty much free game.

I don't want a makeup call from the Purdue game. I want a fairly called even game without REFs being a factor.

My gut tells me that based on past experiences his crew is not capable of doing so.

Ok progress people!! We all can agree that this guy, this crew, and the replay booth involved has missed a few calls.

I have done zero research as to the extent the ACC schools hate this crew, but lets agree there is some ill feelings there.

The biggest part and in my opinion best part of this post is the "bias? On the take? Who knows, who cares at this point."

We cannot prove these refs are bias, we cannot prove they bet on their games, we cannot prove they want the SEC to lose, therefore, taking the aforementioned ill will that last step is conspiracy or just made up drunk posting....I believe that is what most people here wish happened less

 

[Golfprovol]

Here is what I want you to do prove me wrong. Go look at the scores of the games he has Referee and check the scores against the LV lines. Then we'll talk.

You call it a conspiracy its ok to do so, if it fits your agenda. I would call it a crime. I would call it unethical. I would call it a lot of things. I would not call it a conspiracy.

Easy to say they watch Vegas lines when you refuse to show what the score was, what the line was, and what call the guy made to fix the game....and all of those happening at the exact right moment.

Are you talking only the beginning line, or the line throughout the game? The line does change during the game. Does this guy bet the over/under, the moneyline, or just the beginning spread?

 

[Sudden Impact]

Easy to say they watch Vegas lines when you refuse to show what the score was, what the line was, and what call the guy made to fix the game....and all of those happening at the exact right moment.

Are you talking only the beginning line, or the line throughout the game? The line does change during the game. Does this guy bet the over/under, the moneyline, or just the beginning spread?

Does who bet? Again, no ref in their right mind would bet themselves on a game. To easy to track.