Majors on Butch: Best UT Coach in 10 Years

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fade route said:
BS - no one person is bigger than the program, I don't care what they've accomplished. He's bitter, petty, and holds onto a grudge and jealousy like a 13 year old girl. Grow up, Majors.
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Lol. You gotta be kidding me. It's a great story for the program, but like ive mentioned in another post, i hope to see em posing together next to the Neyland statue before one of them passes one day.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
C'mon Count... I said "average to slightly above average" (seems you have a bit of a bad habit of referencing only partial information).

As for the rest of your comment, of course Majors had more wins than Fulmer... he coached nearly twice as long!

And yet... Majors had only 4 seasons finishing in the top 10, and another 4 seasons finishing in the top 20, while Fulmer had 6 seasons finishing in the top 10, and another 6 seasons finishing in the top 20 (in just over half the time that Major's coached). So technically, I guess that would make Fulmer a better coach.
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I won't deny neither one of their accomplishments

Majors took over a team that was in the dumps and built it into a great team. His downfall was he couldn't beat Bama.

Fulmer inherited a team that was already successful and rode it to the National Championship. Along the way, he had some great years

They both were great for UT Football in their own times
 
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hmanvolfan said:
Johnny Majors has earned the right to say whatever the hell he wants to say about Tennessee football. Just nod y'alls head and move on.
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I've always thought he got a little too much deference given his well documented past of not treating people so well.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
Johnny Majors has earned the right to say whatever the hell he wants to say about Tennessee football. Just nod y'alls head and move on.
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This is precisely the attitude that cost Majors his job in 1992. He thought he was bigger than the program and he was promptly given an education in how false that assumption was by Dr. Johnson and Doug Dickey.
 
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Fulmer and Majors were fairly comparable game coaches. Fulmer recruited better and most years had a very strong overall staff.

Fulmer took over a program in pretty good shape, whereas Majors had to build it up in the beginning. My earliest memories are of Tennessee being a pushover. Majors made us a contender again. Finally beating Bama in 1982 was epic.
 
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loggervol said:
if he would've come back and won games after his absence.he wouldn't have lost his job.

was it right for them to fire him?i don't know.
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Isn't this one of the all-time unanswered questions of Vol Fandom? I was only 16 when all this went down, but even then I had an uneasy feeling about it. Then, as now, I felt like it was the right thing to do for the health and future of the program, but I still have a part of me that thinks it shouldn't have went down that way. There had to be a better way. But you're right about one thing. He lost three games in a row that year. The Alabama one is forgivable in hindsight, but to lose to Carolina and Arkansas both in their first year in the SEC? Seems impossible with the talent we had on the field.
 
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checkerboards09 said:
Lol. You gotta be kidding me. It's a great story for the program, but like ive mentioned in another post, i hope to see em posing together next to the Neyland statue before one of them passes one day.
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You are surely kidding. Perhaps Butch Jones should peddle this one as part of his recruiting pitch. Majors vs. Fulmer: the UT civil war. What a way to bring kids in and sell the notion of unity, togetherness and brotherhood.
 
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esarmstrong said:
You are surely kidding. Perhaps Butch Jones should peddle this one as part of his recruiting pitch. Majors vs. Fulmer: the UT civil war. What a way to bring kids in and sell the notion of unity, togetherness and brotherhood.
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It's not gonna affect recruiting. Two coaches happen to have personal dislike towards eachother would definitely not be a problem.
 
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loggervol said:
if he would've come back and won games after his absence.he wouldn't have lost his job.

was it right for them to fire him?i don't know.
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I'm not really sure how true that is. He alienated a lot of people before he got sick and then rushed back too soon after the heart attack and alienated everybody else.
 
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CountVolcula said:
I won't deny neither one of their accomplishments

Majors took over a team that was in the dumps and built it into a great team. His downfall was he couldn't beat Bama.

Fulmer inherited a team that was already successful and rode it to the National Championship. Along the way, he had some great years

They both were great for UT Football in their own times
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Would that be the same team that Fulmer coached to a 3 - 0 start (including a 34-31 win over #14 UGA, and a 31-14 win over #4 UF) and then Majors came back and went 5 - 3 the rest of the season (including losses to unranked Ark, #4 rank UA, and unranked SC)?

Fulmer's NC came 6 years later so I would think it's fair to give him full credit for that accomplishment as none of Major's players would have been around.
 
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esarmstrong said:
This is precisely the attitude that cost Majors his job in 1992. He thought he was bigger than the program and he was promptly given an education in how false that assumption was by Dr. Johnson and Doug Dickey.
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And another winner.
 
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GAVol said:
I'm not really sure how true that is. He alienated a lot of people before he got sick and then rushed back too soon after the heart attack and alienated everybody else.
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I am also under the impression Fulmer basically told UT he was gone unless given the job. Didn't Clemson offer him the HC job?
 
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GAVol said:
I'm not really sure how true that is. He alienated a lot of people before he got sick and then rushed back too soon after the heart attack and alienated everybody else.
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Also, earlier turned down an extension on his contract over money differences.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Would that be the same team that Fulmer coached to a 3 - 0 start (including a 34-31 win over #14 UGA, and a 31-14 win over #4 UF) and then Majors came back and went 5 - 3 the rest of the season (including losses to unranked Ark, #4 rank UA, and unranked SC)?

Fulmer's NC came 6 years later so I would think it's fair to give him full credit for that accomplishment as none of Major's players would have been around.
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This is where I differ from some. No one Majors recruited was on the NC team.

Some of, or most of, the argument will always lie in who you like the best.
 
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Why all the hate? The man stated the obvious. It would be like some arguing that Saban isn't the best bammer coach in the last 20 years...I don't care about wins and losses right this second, if your players fail to give 100% everyday, you get mediocrity..guaranteed. I also wanna see a coach capable of changing game plans at half time, players who know the fundamentals, a HC that can count to 11, and if need be subtract. CBJ appears to have most of the above. But recruiting success doesn't guarantee on the field success. Ask Mack Brown.
 
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volsfansince4387 said:
Why all the hate? The man stated the obvious. It would be like some arguing that Saban isn't the best bammer coach in the last 20 years...I don't care about wins and losses right this second, if your players fail to give 100% everyday, you get mediocrity..guaranteed. I also wanna see a coach capable of changing game plans at half time, players who know the fundamentals, a HC that can count to 11, and if need be subtract. CBJ appears to have most of the above. But recruiting success doesn't guarantee on the field success. Ask Mack Brown.
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Mack Brown won a NC. Ill take it.
 
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iluvsmesumdooley said:
There are two Fulmers. The one we loved died in 2002.
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Actually at the SEC-CG in 2001. If they would have won, they would have played (and probably beaten) Miami in the Rose Bowl for the NC. I was at that game.

Can you imagine having J Henderson, A Haynesworth, on the same D-line.......or Kelly Washington and Donte Stallworth....

Can you imagine knocking out the opponent's 1st team QB and RB.......

Can you imagine playing a team you've already beaten once before during the regular season for the SECCG....

.....and still lose?

On the way back, I told some friends traveling that I would be surprised if the coaching staff got over this loss. Fulmer was later quoted that this loss was the worst in his career. He never got past it.
 
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fade route said:
BS - no one person is bigger than the program, I don't care what they've accomplished. He's bitter, petty, and holds onto a grudge and jealousy like a 13 year old girl. Grow up, Majors.
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Reading comprehension has never been your strong suit.
 
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