Make this make sense

Nico should have gotten a Hooker type look after JM revealed his true self in Gainesville. He didn’t. Hence the blind spot.

So Milton was the reason that Florida scored 4 straight TD's against the Tennessee defense? Funny I thought he played offense.

Are you going to want the backup QB next year in the first game that the other team scores at will on our defense and the offense can't keep up by scoring on every drive?

Truth is we would have lost to Bama had we not been able to do that. We need a defense.
 
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If Nico was not a better option we are in for a terrible yr. next yf.

Agree - but the truth is that how Nico will perform against an SEC caliber defense is unknown at this point.

We should not have to rely on our offense to score every time we get the ball.
 
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Actually, it would send a very different message. If Milton wants to play in the bowl game, he deserves to start the game as he was the starter this year. There will undoubtedly be other players who decide to play even though they will not be part of the team next year. Do you bench them too?

It would also say loudly to the fans, that winning the bowl game is NOT important and that the game is just going to be a scrimmage. I've bought tickets - would probably have to decide whether I want to waste my time if the coach and team are not focused on whatever it takes to win the game. I don't want to travel that far to see a scrimmage.

The only way Nico should start is if Joe opts out of the game.

I just couldn’t disagree with a post more than this one. Moving away from Milton wouldn’t be interpreted to mean we don’t care about the bowl game. It would say that he believes Nico has progressed to the point he gives you the best chance to win (which I believe to be the case).

And the way that is communicated would be significant as well. Hypo could simply encourage Milton to sit out, saying it was in his own best interest, as well as the best interest of the program. Milton could simply put out a message saying that he is involved in preparation, but not going to risk injury prior to the combine.

These are the types of decisions coaches are paid millions of dollars to manage. I fully expect Nico to be the starter in the bowl game which will be amazing for the players and fans. Those players aren’t dumb… They’ve watched Milton be incapable of throwing accurate passes consistently throughout his entire time here.
 
By underperformed I'm assuming you mean he did not have Hooker or Manning stats. Based on that most of the QB's in UT's history have underperformed. I really feel for Nico, because if he doesn't become the next Manning RIGHT AWAY, some on here are going to go ballistic.

I would also say, the WR's this year underperformed, the DB's underperformed and in some games the really good RB's underperformed.
By underperformed I mean underperformed. He’s truly not an SEC caliber QB. Not for a school like UT anyway. I know his school stats don’t look awful, but when it comes to the eyeball test and making decisions, he just never developed that. He was definitely not the only underwhelming position for us, but he definitely held back our play calling and offense. There will be growing pains with Nico no doubt. I think most reasonable people understand that. But the upside is also there. It kind of points to my whole point that we should’ve got him experience to get through some of those pains this year. After the loss to FL we weren’t in contention for anything. I understand a coaching job hinges on W’s even if the season is statistically done. But some more experience for our future woulda been nice.
 
Tee was 6-12 on pass attempts in 1997 for 85 yards and 1 interception.. also had 8 rushing attempts for 22 yards.. Its was Peyton's Heisman campaign that limited him..
I honestly don't remember Fulmer going to the 2nd string QB unless the first stringer wasn't playing well, not even much when we had a blow out. You probably know (definitely more) about it than I do. Do you remember him preparing the QB for next when when his started was doing well?
 
So Milton was the reason that Florida scored 4 straight TD's against the Tennessee defense? Funny I thought he played offense.

Are you going to want the backup QB next year in the first game that the other team scores at will on our defense and the offense can't keep up by scoring on every drive?

Truth is we would have lost to Bama had we not been able to do that. We need a defense.
Hadden thump tackle for a TD was obviously on Joe.
 
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I honestly don't remember Fulmer going to the 2nd string QB unless the first stringer wasn't playing well, not even much when we had a blow out. You probably know (definitely more) about it than I do. Do you remember him preparing the QB for next when when his started was doing well?

2004 he swapped Ainge and Schafer out quite a bit.

2005 Clausen and Ainge, which was a disaster.

Most coaches stay with the starters.

The vast majority of true freshmen QBs ranked in the top of the rankings, redshirted just like Nico from the 2023 class. As most freshmen do.
 
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You wanted proof of where the moon is. I gave it to you. Now you want a link to an article that I didn’t post about or bring up. Being friends with you is exhausting.

What is the “that” that you are inviting others to “get some” of???

You sure youre a Vol fan?

If you have to ask where my board name came from i suspect you arent.
 
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lol… because QBs never progress and get better.
It appears not much progress for Milton, or Jg from the last few years, however, yes qb usuallly do progress, but with the floor not being as good as Milton this year, doesn't look good at all. I happen to believe Nico was better this year. Didn't see much of him, but what I did see was much better pocket presence than Joe, and can get the ball out of his hands much faster than Joe did.
 
You sure youre a Vol fan?

If you have to ask where my board name came from i suspect you arent.
I am. Started as a young fan during Cobb/Webb. Was spoiled through the late 90s and early 2000s.

I joke around with folks’ board names. Most of the time in the political forum. Just a thing I do.
 
I just couldn’t disagree with a post more than this one. Moving away from Milton wouldn’t be interpreted to mean we don’t care about the bowl game. It would say that he believes Nico has progressed to the point he gives you the best chance to win (which I believe to be the case).

And the way that is communicated would be significant as well. Hypo could simply encourage Milton to sit out, saying it was in his own best interest, as well as the best interest of the program. Milton could simply put out a message saying that he is involved in preparation, but not going to risk injury prior to the combine.

These are the types of decisions coaches are paid millions of dollars to manage. I fully expect Nico to be the starter in the bowl game which will be amazing for the players and fans. Those players aren’t dumb… They’ve watched Milton be incapable of throwing accurate passes consistently throughout his entire time here.

Don't think so for most UT fans. Most of them are not on this board and don't subscribe to the team being about ONE and ONLY ONE player. Joe has earned his right to start and play in the bowl game if he so choses. A coach asking a senior to sit out of his last game sends a message to all players that says he is not going to support them if they want to finish what they started and worked hard for multiple years to achieve. That relationship of trust, I would dare say is worth more than any fans wish and desire.

I just don't understand the worship of Nico that some of you have. I've watched him play in the limited time he has been out there and to be honest, while he hasn't looked bad, he hasn't looked like a Manning or Dobbs or Hooker, either. It was clear he wasn't ready.

I hope he does get to play in this game but given the situation on defense with all the players leaving, this game may be more difficult to win than most think.
 
Most coaches stay with the starters.

The vast majority of true freshmen QBs ranked in the top of the rankings, redshirted just like Nico from the 2023 class. As most freshmen do.

To hear some on this board, all those top QB's are playing and playing lights out football.
 
Don't think so for most UT fans. Most of them are not on this board and don't subscribe to the team being about ONE and ONLY ONE player. Joe has earned his right to start and play in the bowl game if he so choses. A coach asking a senior to sit out of his last game sends a message to all players that says he is not going to support them if they want to finish what they started and worked hard for multiple years to achieve. That relationship of trust, I would dare say is worth more than any fans wish and desire.

I just don't understand the worship of Nico that some of you have. I've watched him play in the limited time he has been out there and to be honest, while he hasn't looked bad, he hasn't looked like a Manning or Dobbs or Hooker, either. It was clear he wasn't ready.

I hope he does get to play in this game but given the situation on defense with all the players leaving, this game may be more difficult to win than most think.
I can’t speak for everyone but my guess would be 75%+ of the fans would be ecstatic to know we are moving on from Milton right now.

The reason for the “Nico worship” amongst the fan base is very simple. I’m not sure why he needs to be explained to you, but here goes…
Milton isn’t a good qb.

No, football isn’t a one-man game, but no single player has as great of an impact on the outcome as the qb. You cannot be a good team without excellent qb play.

You obviously disagree that Milton is a poor QB, (which absolutely blows my mind) but I’ll break this down for you.

People use different processes in an effort to form an opinion on a quarterback. Personally, I think about 3 categories when making an opinion. Quality of their passing ability, their running ability, and their overall ability to manage the game.

Passing… how accurate are their passes from the pocket, do they throw the ball with touch/arch on it (making it a catchable pass) do they throw accurately on the run, do they overthrow WRs on deep passes, how quick is their release, do they stare down receivers?

I can’t fathom how any fan could believe Milton excels as a passer. He throws the ball with no arch as hard as he can on a straight line regardless of how open the WR is. That was the reason for a lot of the drops this year… The ball would be thrown out necessarily hard and often behind the receiver. Also, his lack of arch on the ball leads to a huge number of passes being batted down at the line. That was clearly something the Georgia defense knew/scouted, as I believe there were five passes batted down at the line in that game. Most of those came on important third downs. We’ve also seen Milton consistently way overthrow receivers down the field when they are wide ass open from complete defensive breakdowns. That’s probably been the most frustrating thing of all with him. And finally, he is terrible at throwing on the run. I can’t remember exactly when but late in the year, the announcers brought the stat up during a game that Milton has never thrown a touchdown on the run. In today’s game, the quarterback is very often asked to roll out to the left or right. That inability out of him is a huge deficiency.


Running…how explosive of a runner are they, are they shifty enough to avoid pressure and buy time, do they make decisive decisions when they decide to run, how fast do they hit the hole, can they make the first guy miss in the open field, do they frequently miss seeing an open seam with easy running yards available?

I can’t fathom how any of our fans could believe Milton is a great runner as a qb. He does none of the things I listed above. He actually has relatively decent top in speed. The problem is the mental part of running. Almost every time we saw him run, he was indecisive at the beginning of the attempt which gives the defense time to break off their routes. So many big plays Last year came when hooker would see a scene and immediately plant his foot and accelerate. Milton has shown throughout his career to just not have that ability.

Game management…do they make the intelligence/moxie plays frequently, do they always know where the chains are and understand the down and distance, do they use hard counts to get free plays and take advantage, do they typically make the correct decision as to throwing or running on RPOs, do they feel pressure well (pocket presence), and have the Moxie to slide away from pressure to buy extra time while keeping their eyes down field

Again…I can’t fathom how anyone believes Milton to be a great game manager. We’ve seen him run out of bounds with no time on the clock instead of throwing the ball into the end zone. We’ve seen him slide short of the 1st down marker at least 5 times without no defensive player close by. We’ve seen him run out of bounds and throw the ball away, on free plays where he clearly knew the defense was offsides and the flag had been thrown.

Anyway, back to your point… Why do some of our fans “worship Nico”. It’s not that they think he’s a savior so much as they recognize Milton is bad. Even with Nico’s inexperience he could almost certainly run the offense at a much higher level than Milton by this point.
 
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I can’t speak for everyone but my guess would be 75%+ of the fans would be ecstatic to know we are moving on from Milton right now.

The reason for the “Nico worship” amongst the fan base is very simple. I’m not sure why he needs to be explained to you, but here goes…
Milton isn’t a good qb.

No, football isn’t a one-man game, but no single player has as great of an impact on the outcome as the qb. You cannot be a good team without excellent qb play.

You obviously disagree that Milton is a poor QB, (which absolutely blows my mind) but I’ll break this down for you.

People use different processes in an effort to form an opinion on a quarterback. Personally, I think about 3 categories when making an opinion. Quality of their passing ability, their running ability, and their overall ability to manage the game.

Passing… how accurate are their passes from the pocket, do they throw the ball with touch/arch on it (making it a catchable pass) do they throw accurately on the run, do they overthrow WRs on deep passes, how quick is their release, do they stare down receivers?

I can’t fathom how any fan could believe Milton excels as a passer. He throws the ball with no arch as hard as he can on a straight line regardless of how open the WR is. That was the reason for a lot of the drops this year… The ball would be thrown out necessarily hard and often behind the receiver. Also, his lack of arch on the ball leads to a huge number of passes being batted down at the line. That was clearly something the Georgia defense knew/scouted, as I believe there were five passes batted down at the line in that game. Most of those came on important third downs. We’ve also seen Milton consistently way overthrow receivers down the field when they are wide ass open from complete defensive breakdowns. That’s probably been the most frustrating thing of all with him. And finally, he is terrible at throwing on the run. I can’t remember exactly when but late in the year, the announcers brought the stat up during a game that Milton has never thrown a touchdown on the run. In today’s game, the quarterback is very often asked to roll out to the left or right. That inability out of him is a huge deficiency.


Running…how explosive of a runner are they, are they shifty enough to avoid pressure and buy time, do they make decisive decisions when they decide to run, how fast do they hit the hole, can they make the first guy miss in the open field, do they frequently miss seeing an open seam with easy running yards available?

I can’t fathom how any of our fans could believe Milton is a great runner as a qb. He does none of the things I listed above. He actually has relatively decent top in speed. The problem is the mental part of running. Almost every time we saw him run, he was indecisive at the beginning of the attempt which gives the defense time to break off their routes. So many big plays Last year came when hooker would see a scene and immediately plant his foot and accelerate. Milton has shown throughout his career to just not have that ability.

Game management…do they make the intelligence/moxie plays frequently, do they always know where the chains are and understand the down and distance, do they use hard counts to get free plays and take advantage, do they typically make the correct decision as to throwing or running on RPOs, do they feel pressure well (pocket presence), and have the Moxie to slide away from pressure to buy extra time while keeping their eyes down field

Again…I can’t fathom how anyone believes Milton to be a great game manager. We’ve seen him run out of bounds with no time on the clock instead of throwing the ball into the end zone. We’ve seen him slide short of the 1st down marker at least 5 times without no defensive player close by. We’ve seen him run out of bounds and throw the ball away, on free plays where he clearly knew the defense was offsides and the flag had been thrown.

Anyway, back to your point… Why do some of our fans “worship Nico”. It’s not that they think he’s a savior so much as they recognize Milton is bad. Even with Nico’s inexperience he could almost certainly run the offense at a much higher level than Milton by this point.
Very well stated, and I agree 100%
 
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