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Daniel_Lincolns_Foot said:
Given that everyone wants the young players to get experience once the season is lost, here’s a sample of programs that could have let their young QBs have a shot this year (but didn’t):

Arkansas
Oregon State
USC
USCjr
Maryland
LSU


Maybe just letting the next guy up isn’t always “the answer.” Or maybe all those coaches are idiots. Who knows.
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Most coaches and teams are about winning as many games as they can. I think some on here are still stuck on the "next year" syndrome or wanting the chaos of a coaching hunt.

It seems some were willing to "tank" this season after the Florida game. Not sure if that is wanting something for "next year" or hoping to start the "fire the coach" threads. Because you can bet if CJH had followed their advice and the result was a a 6-6 of 5-7 season, they would be complaining because we did not start Joe and they would be saying how Nico was a bust.
 
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chattavol420 said:
It would certainly reinvigorate the players and fan base if they announce Nico will be the starter. Fingers crossed that ends up the case.
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Actually, it would send a very different message. If Milton wants to play in the bowl game, he deserves to start the game as he was the starter this year. There will undoubtedly be other players who decide to play even though they will not be part of the team next year. Do you bench them too?

It would also say loudly to the fans, that winning the bowl game is NOT important and that the game is just going to be a scrimmage. I've bought tickets - would probably have to decide whether I want to waste my time if the coach and team are not focused on whatever it takes to win the game. I don't want to travel that far to see a scrimmage.

The only way Nico should start is if Joe opts out of the game.
 
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We should have a contest on how long it takes for the threads to start around playing the backup next year instead of Nico - because you know one bad game, one loss to someone important and it begins again - new names, but same threads.
 
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Longsufferingvol said:
I was reading an article earlier today where Heupel admitted that having Nico on the roster makes it hard to get an experienced quality QB in the portal. Heupel also admitted that lack of qb experience is a concern. My question to Heupel would be why haven't you given either of your backups meaningful playing time? What's especially perplexing to me is how Gaston Moore followed him over from UCF and knows the offense and he hasn't gotten any snaps really. I'm going to be really mad if I don't see Nico or Gaston throwing passes to starting receivers in the bowl.
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I've said this since about the 3rd game this season--- I gave Milton that long to see if he could be consistent or not---he never was. For comparison, just look at what Bama did when they lost to Texas to start the season . Milroe was inconsistent , Saban pulled him and played a couple other qb's before letting Milroe resume starting. It never made sense to keep playing Milton especially once we lost games that pushed us out of a title chase.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
And yet, you tried to marginalize my opinion with “obviously you’ve never played competitive sports.” Either that matters or it doesn’t. It can’t matter for me, but not for you. That’s called hypocrisy and it’s a bad look.

Of course, so is beginning a purported argument with an ad hominem.

If you think playing Nico against Austin Peay’s and whoever else’s scrubs would have advanced his development more, then fine. Someone who has forgotten more about QB development than you’ll ever know obviously thought it best to play him the amount of time he played him.
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Actually I think he should have been Getting real reps against real competition. Realistically our season was done with the loss at FL. 5-6 games under his belt would’ve been great for development whether or not they be ugly games with some growing pains. All of our eggs are obviously in the Nico basket so it was silly not to maximize those chances. And yes that same someone also told us Joe was better than Hendon a few years ago but you won’t want to talk about that. I’m on the Heup train fully but he has made some questionable decisions when it comes to his blind allegiance towards Joe.
 
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#107
volfan102455 said:
We should have a contest on how long it takes for the threads to start around playing the backup next year instead of Nico - because you know one bad game, one loss to someone important and it begins again - new names, but same threads.
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Joe has underperformed since he’s been here. It wasn’t “one bad game or loss”. The one game where I really thought he might’ve grown into what we hoped was last years bowl. This year showed us it wasn’t true. I appreciate him being a VFL and he was a class act while here. That doesn’t change the fact that he was just never the guy that could put the team on his back to get a W. He was a below average QB in the best conference in football where you need play makers at that position. It is what it is. I’m not sure why that reality upsets people.
 
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It’s like members of the Milton family are posting in this thread.

He isn’t a good QB. It’s that simple.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Joe has underperformed since he’s been here. It wasn’t “one bad game or loss”. The one game where I really thought he might’ve grown into what we hoped was last years bowl. This year showed us it wasn’t true. I appreciate him being a VFL and he was a class act while here. That doesn’t change the fact that he was just never the guy that could put the team on his back to get a W. He was a below average QB in the best conference in football where you need play makers at that position. It is what it is. I’m not sure why that reality upsets people.
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Spilt milk
 
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GAVol said:
Everybody knows that. But it’s not a given that Nico was a better option or that it was a good idea to run him out there just because.
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We don’t know because he wasn’t given any snaps because JH has a blind spot with JM.

If JM had another year JH would start him next year.
 
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Longsufferingvol said:
I was reading an article earlier today where Heupel admitted that having Nico on the roster makes it hard to get an experienced quality QB in the portal. Heupel also admitted that lack of qb experience is a concern. My question to Heupel would be why haven't you given either of your backups meaningful playing time? What's especially perplexing to me is how Gaston Moore followed him over from UCF and knows the offense and he hasn't gotten any snaps really. I'm going to be really mad if I don't see Nico or Gaston throwing passes to starting receivers in the bowl.
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I know everyone wants to think of Heupel as a qb genius, but don't forget...he had Milton evaluated as the better qb over Hooker. In fact, we likely would have never known how good Hooker is nor had the success last season had Milton not gotten injured. Imagine if Milton had been the qb all of last season and this one. There would be a lot more questions about his future here. Heupel's unwillingness to make change is one of his major weaknesses imo.
 
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GAVol said:
If he’s got a blind spot for Milton, why didn’t he put him back in once he got healthy in 2021?
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Because he isn’t an idiot. He knows outstanding QB play. Hooker was lighting it up. Just because someone has a small flaw doesn’t mean they are overall flawed.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Most coaches and teams are about winning as many games as they can. I think some on here are still stuck on the "next year" syndrome or wanting the chaos of a coaching hunt.

It seems some were willing to "tank" this season after the Florida game. Not sure if that is wanting something for "next year" or hoping to start the "fire the coach" threads. Because you can bet if CJH had followed their advice and the result was a a 6-6 of 5-7 season, they would be complaining because we did not start Joe and they would be saying how Nico was a bust.
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CJH has one goal: win games. It’s the best look for boosters. It’s the best look for recruiting.

Every other coach in the country does the same. If anyone thinks for a second that any college coach “tanks” in exchange for experience, they’re just wrong. They’re making decisions that they’re going to have to explain in every job interview moving forward.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Mostly, yes. But once again for our bowl game we will trot Joe out for I’m assuming most of the game while we waste real time reps that could be spent building for the future. So it’s not all spilt just yet.
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I would have liked to have seen Nico earlier too. I also think Heupel did the right thing not playing him, given he was our only other scholarship QB. Tough spot. I think Heupel is well aware Iamalaeva's upside is far north of Milton's
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Because he isn’t an idiot. He knows outstanding QB play. Hooker was lighting it up. Just because someone has a small flaw doesn’t mean they are overall flawed.
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Exactly by the time that Milton was well enough to play, Hooker had proven he deserved the starting spot and it was his to lose - he didn't.

Both Milton and Hooker came in as transfers from other schools where they LOST the QB battle. The only judgement for who starts would be practice. And a choice was made based on that.

Unless the folks saying CJH knows so and so is better than the other, have attended practice and seen what CJH sees or knows what he looks for to run the offense - they are just complaining about something they know nothing about.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Joe has underperformed since he’s been here. It wasn’t “one bad game or loss”. The one game where I really thought he might’ve grown into what we hoped was last years bowl. This year showed us it wasn’t true. I appreciate him being a VFL and he was a class act while here. That doesn’t change the fact that he was just never the guy that could put the team on his back to get a W. He was a below average QB in the best conference in football where you need play makers at that position. It is what it is. I’m not sure why that reality upsets people.
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By underperformed I'm assuming you mean he did not have Hooker or Manning stats. Based on that most of the QB's in UT's history have underperformed. I really feel for Nico, because if he doesn't become the next Manning RIGHT AWAY, some on here are going to go ballistic.

I would also say, the WR's this year underperformed, the DB's underperformed and in some games the really good RB's underperformed.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Exactly by the time that Milton was well enough to play, Hooker had proven he deserved the starting spot and it was his to lose - he didn't.

Both Milton and Hooker came in as transfers from other schools where they LOST the QB battle. The only judgement for who starts would be practice. And a choice was made based on that.

Unless the folks saying CJH knows so and so is better than the other, have attended practice and seen what CJH sees or knows what he looks for to run the offense - they are just complaining about something they know nothing about.
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Nico should have gotten a Hooker type look after JM revealed his true self in Gainesville. He didn’t. Hence the blind spot.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Nico should have gotten a Hooker type look after JM revealed his true self in Gainesville. He didn’t. Hence the blind spot.
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It didn’t help that Nico had something going on with his wrist back in September.
 
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GAVol said:
It didn’t help that Nico had something going on with his wrist back in September.
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That makes sense. Now do after Georgia, Alabama, Mizzu, and that beautiful performance putting that juggernaut Austin Peay away.
 
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Longsufferingvol said:
I was reading an article earlier today where Heupel admitted that having Nico on the roster makes it hard to get an experienced quality QB in the portal. Heupel also admitted that lack of qb experience is a concern. My question to Heupel would be why haven't you given either of your backups meaningful playing time? What's especially perplexing to me is how Gaston Moore followed him over from UCF and knows the offense and he hasn't gotten any snaps really. I'm going to be really mad if I don't see Nico or Gaston throwing passes to starting receivers in the bowl.
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Not lateral passes to WR where is a running play or a bubble screen pass. I’m talking 20 yard throws across middle or taking risks down field with deep throws, when he has been in mop up duty it’s been run run run screen run run 4 yard out route.
 
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GAVol said:
Everybody knows that. But it’s not a given that Nico was a better option or that it was a good idea to run him out there just because.
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If Nico was not a better option we are in for a terrible yr. next yf.
 
#125
#125
volfan102455 said:
We should have a contest on how long it takes for the threads to start around playing the backup next year instead of Nico - because you know one bad game, one loss to someone important and it begins again - new names, but same threads.
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The first incomplete pass will result in an epic meltdown
 
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