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#27
Aren't scholarships awarded year to year? If so they wouldn't really be backing out of anything just not renewing it.
 
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jamesthesame said:
Why should Jones feel remorse over this? Most people on this message board are as bipolar as they come when dealing with defeat.

These coaches are given 3 years and then they are out the door if they aren't winning.

If I was Jones I would do what is necessary to win as well. You can't blame him for that. It's dirty, but the situation warrants it.
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I don't see it as dirty as long as he honors the one year contract they've agreed to. The perfect way for a business to stay mediocre is to keep hiring the same employees year after year when they have already proven that the will never do the job to the standards you strive to maintain.
 
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volum3 said:
As a Vol alumni, I hold my Alma Mater to a higher standard than allowing something classless like that to happen, you honor your commitments.
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One more thing that sucks about the NCAA.

The universities are only commited to the student athletes on a year to year basis. Basically the universities have an option to continue an athletic scholarship after the freshman year. If they don't like the progress of the current student athlete, the university can pursue a replacement of their choice.

The student athletes however are not allowed to paticipate at a different university if the student athlete becomes dissatisfied with their existing university.
 
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Alot of coaches won't necesarrily tell a kid to pack his bags, but they will sit down with them and explain the situation to them and let the player make the best decision for them. The coach will tell the player his concerns and let him know that the coaches do not feel he is buying into the program. They let him know playing time will be hard to come by and if that player wishes to transfer they will grant them a release and help them find a new place to further their education. A lot of times they will give them the option to stay with the knowledge that most of their career will be spent on the scout team unless something greatly changes in their attitude and performance. All that being said, most players in that situation will choose to transfer. Not always as cut throat as some of you are making it out to be.
 
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KingtUT said:
What's crappy is being judged as a coach while trying to compete with players that you get stuck with. I expect BJ to do everything in his power to turn this program around and start winning. He doesn't have time to worry about hurting a few feelings along the way. Let me be clear, WIN, WIN, WIN, and do it FAST and within the rules.
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Boca Vol said:
Wow.
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Wow nothin'. He's exactly right. That's why Butch is getting paid millions, to win ASAP. If a few kids have to go to a different school, tough ****. You people way overreact to this every year. It's ridiculous. He's not ending their careers or ruining their lives.
 
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Sucks for the players and their families. Just like layoffs at work. If you aren't productive, you're out the door. Reality bites. I hope they at least try to help players find another school to transfer to. Makes me feel dirty to know this sort of thing has to be done.
 
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I was just making sure you guys realized that scholarships are yearly. As bad as I hate for it to happen. Some of these kids will end up on the non renewal. We would like to think UT is better. Although college sports are cutthroat. Coaches have to make crap decisions. So when you see the attrition this year dont blame the kid for leaving. He possibly got told to leave.

As for my wife it actually worked out better. She ended up playing at Armstrong Atlantic setting the single season HR record and being inducted into their hall of fame this past year. She played for UT's now pitching coach Marty Mcdaniel.
 
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Boca Vol said:
That seems like a very crappy thing to do and a bad PR move if the player is in good academic standing and hasn't been in trouble. That would send a very bad message, IMO.

Sorry your wife had to deal that. That stinks.
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I agree with you 100% about the PR angle. But are us fans going to put up with losing because we don't go after the best players when they want to play for UT, or worry about good PR? Personally, I would go after the best players to win more. Others may disagree.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
Wow nothin'. He's exactly right. That's why Butch is getting paid millions, to win ASAP. If a few kids have to go to a different school, tough ****. You people way overreact to this every year. It's ridiculous. He's not ending their careers or ruining their lives.
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Knowing Butch gets paid millions would you renew his contract based on this season's performance? Afterall, he didn't beat Vandy! All he needed was 1 yard for a 1st down and UT could have ran the clock down or forced Vandy to use all their TO's.

Based your criteria, Butch didn't cut it so he's out.

Thrasher865 said:
Why not? Shouldn't college prepare them for the real world? That's how the real world works.
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If you think college football is like the real world then you need help.
 
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AndyMizunogolfer said:
Everyone keeps asking how they are going to make the room on an 85 man roster. That is pretty simple. Scholarships are yearly contracts. Doubtful you see him skip any guys that will be seniors schollies. Although I would expect to see the Juniors get hit. This same thing happened with my wife when she played softball for UGA. A new coach came in and did not renew the scholarships for 9 players.
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there are 58 kids on the roster due back in the fall. means if we take the 30 initial counters we are allowed per NCAA rules only 3 will have to move on. normal attrition will handle that.

I expect a couple of gray shirts to count on 2015 class but not be on roster for the fall.

I don't think Butch will be required to purge players. normal will handle
 
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VolRidger said:
Alot of coaches won't necesarrily tell a kid to pack his bags, but they will sit down with them and explain the situation to them and let the player make the best decision for them. The coach will tell the player his concerns and let him know that the coaches do not feel he is buying into the program. They let him know playing time will be hard to come by and if that player wishes to transfer they will grant them a release and help them find a new place to further their education. A lot of times they will give them the option to stay with the knowledge that most of their career will be spent on the scout team unless something greatly changes in their attitude and performance. All that being said, most players in that situation will choose to transfer. Not always as cut throat as some of you are making it out to be.
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Good first post.

Welcome.
 
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LWSVOL said:
there are 58 kids on the roster due back in the fall. means if we take the 30 initial counters we are allowed per NCAA rules only 3 will have to move on. normal attrition will handle that.

I expect a couple of gray shirts to count on 2015 class but not be on roster for the fall.

I don't think Butch will be required to purge players. normal will handle
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This. Thanks for the clarification.
 
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VolRidger said:
Alot of coaches won't necesarrily tell a kid to pack his bags, but they will sit down with them and explain the situation to them and let the player make the best decision for them. The coach will tell the player his concerns and let him know that the coaches do not feel he is buying into the program. They let him know playing time will be hard to come by and if that player wishes to transfer they will grant them a release and help them find a new place to further their education. A lot of times they will give them the option to stay with the knowledge that most of their career will be spent on the scout team unless something greatly changes in their attitude and performance. All that being said, most players in that situation will choose to transfer. Not always as cut throat as some of you are making it out to be.
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Thank you for posting a sensible and decent post on this thread and topic. I wasn't going to post after reading one that referred to our players being dead weights instead of human beings who may have to be let go. But your post has dampened the callousness of that other post. :salute:
 
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GlockVol said:
Sucks for the players and their families. Just like layoffs at work. If you aren't productive, you're out the door. Reality bites. I hope they at least try to help players find another school to transfer to. Makes me feel dirty to know this sort of thing has to be done.
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I'll agree that the coaches should help the players find a new school if possible. No doubt in my mind that's exactly what they will do.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Knowing Butch gets paid millions would you renew his contract based on this season's performance? Afterall, he didn't beat Vandy! All he needed was 1 yard for a 1st down and UT could have ran the clock down or forced Vandy to use all their TO's.

Based your criteria, Butch didn't cut it so he's out.



If you think college football is like the real world then you need help.
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Everyone is entitled to his opinion. I would bet a lot of people agree with you. I want to win football games by getting good players and building the depth that we need. I don't like hurt feelings or bad PR, but decisions have to be made one way or the other.
 
#45
#45
So according to most on here, it's OK for a player who's "unhappy with his situation" or "buried on the depth chart" to abandon their team at the drop of a dime and run to another school even though their depth may have been important for the team, but not OK for the coach to withdraw scholarships from players who "aren't fully committed" to the team? Seems a little one-sided. College athletics is a business, and if these kids want to really be prepared for the next level, they need to be exposed to the reality that there are no handouts. Along with the free college tuition, free access to the best training facilities imaginable, free nutritional supplements, free food, free living quarters, and free access to trainers and coaches who are dedicated to making you into the best athlete you can be, comes the expectation that you work hard and buy in to the coach's philosophy and gameplan. If you can't make that commitment, then you're gone because somebody else wants that opportunity. With one-sided expectations like most on here are promoting, it's no wonder there are so many primadonna athletes out there, and people who actually think we need to pay college athletes even more.
 
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You know, as bad as it may seem, if the kids want to make it to the league, they would find out, the hard way, that the NFL is worse. They will cut you in a New York minute, and not bat an eye. If a coach honestly feels some of the kids on his roster is essentially dead weight, I would think the kid would want to know that, and have the opportunity to make a move sooner in his college career, than later.

I personally think it happens more often than we realize. It's probably why we see kids leave the team so early. We assume it's because they don't like where they are on the depth chart, but it could be the result of a frank discussion between them and the HC.
 
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Boca Vol said:
It's not as simple or cut & dry as you're making it out to be.

Sometimes attrition comes from medical reasons, grad school, etc. It's not necessarily a "negative" thing such as "you aren't cutting it on the field."

Maybe there were some walkons that earned schollies for this past year and they aren't being renewed. That's a little different than a kid signing out of HS, doing what he's supposed to do off the field, and being told to hit the streets.
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I wonder if some of it might be handled in this way. It seems I've seen in the past where a walk-on will get a scholarship for a semester or a year when one or more happen to be available. The player knows it's temporary, but it's an honor because it's something he certainly wasn't promised coming in.

Just a thought.
 
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#48
I can't believe that some people are all up in arms over this. Butch was hired to build a winner and we all hold him to that. Yet, when he might possibly make the steps to accomplish this, people aren't happy with the way he might do it. The funny thing is that many of the same people upset about pulling scholarships will be the ones lamenting the lack of depth and talent if Butch doesn't do what is needed.

This is part of growing up and introduction to the real world. This isn't tee ball where everyone gets rewarded for just showing up. It sounds like to me, if we want Tennessee to become a winner, the fans are going to have to toughen up as much as the players.
 
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Sports is a tough business for players and coaches. If a player has a scholly and will never see the field I have no problem with taking it. Thats life. We are trying to win the toughest conference in football and we need the best players we can get.
 
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KingtUT said:
What's crappy is being judged as a coach while trying to compete with players that you get stuck with. I expect BJ to do everything in his power to turn this program around and start winning. He doesn't have time to worry about hurting a few feelings along the way. Let me be clear, WIN, WIN, WIN, and do it FAST and within the rules.
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Yea, and I am sick of losing and no one cares about my hurt feelings! Weed'em out!!
 
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