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I think Louder's point was that Bush took a lot of vacation time as well. You've all been lambasting Obama for playing golf, but Louder is claiming that Bush was in Crawford during Katrina, rather than on the ground.

I don't know whether or not that's true. Just helping everyone sort out their differences.
 
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Bush should have activated FEMA, when the mayor/governor isn't there, don't worry mad at them too, the President is the only one who can activate FEMA and/or national guard, it took way too long to get even basic provisions moving. My mother's cousin was a police chief back then and was trying to get something moving, eventually he made contact with the POTUS office then was told the president couldn't be reached.....now back to the topic.
 
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LouderVol said:
Bush should have activated FEMA, when the mayor/governor isn't there, don't worry mad at them too, the President is the only one who can activate FEMA and/or national guard, it took way too long to get even basic provisions moving. My mother's cousin was a police chief back then and was trying to get something moving, eventually he made contact with the POTUS office then was told the president couldn't be reached.....now back to the topic.
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Bush couldn't do any of that without breaking the law. The governor MUST first make a request before Bush could do any of that, the governor didn't make the request.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Lost me at "Maddow."

They don't exactly give good cites for their "facts."
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Perhaps so, but I think the fact remains that Reagan in no shape or form responded in the ways you were calling for the other day. And I didn't even realize 62 Americans lost their lives in that incident, although I knew about the Congressman.

Anyhow, I don't want to get in an argument about this. I just thought it was an interesting article given the current circumstances.
 
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volprof said:
Perhaps so, but I think the fact remains that Reagan in no shape or form responded in the ways you were calling for the other day. And I didn't even realize 62 Americans lost their lives in that incident, although I knew about the Congressman.

Anyhow, I don't want to get in an argument about this. I just thought it was an interesting article given the current circumstances.
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No, different times back then. But there was a lot more he did in the aftermath. Which is why Obama can save face in this debacle.

I wasn't arguing, I just tend to take most things that come out of MSNBC with a generous portion of salt.

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hog88 said:
Bush couldn't do any of that without breaking the law. The governor MUST first make a request before Bush could do any of that, the governor didn't make the request.
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Yeah I am sure the people of NO and Louisanna would have been in arms if someone had taken action and sent them water/food and helped evac those who couldn't leave. I would love to see someone go after someone else for saving a lot of lives, and eased suffering. If the laws are holding back the POTUS from saving/helping americans the laws need to be changed and the POTUS shouldn't stop for such laws. I hate our government and many of the laws and especially hate the two party system, but I love our country. And with that I think we should stay the heck out of the Ukraine situation.
 
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LouderVol said:
Bush should have activated FEMA, when the mayor/governor isn't there, don't worry mad at them too, the President is the only one who can activate FEMA and/or national guard, it took way too long to get even basic provisions moving. My mother's cousin was a police chief back then and was trying to get something moving, eventually he made contact with the POTUS office then was told the president couldn't be reached.....now back to the topic.
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http://www.fema.gov/pdf/rrr/dec_proc.pdf

In 1988, the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. §§ 5121-5206, was enacted to support State and local governments and their citizens when disasters overwhelm them. This law, as amended, establishes a process for requesting and obtaining a Presidential disaster declaration, defines the type and scope of assistance available from the Federal government, and sets the conditions for obtaining that assistance. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), now part of the Emergency Preparedness and Response Directorate of the Department of Homeland Security, is tasked with coordinating the response.

The State has to declare an emergency stating that it can't handle it with its own resources and request Federal assistance first in order to get Federal assistance. That's the way it works.

But nice story bro.
 
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LouderVol said:
My mother's cousin was a police chief back then and was trying to get something moving, eventually he made contact with the POTUS office then was told the president couldn't be reached.....now back to the topic.
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A local police chief couldn't get in touch with the President. Who would have thought that?
 
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37L1 said:
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/rrr/dec_proc.pdf

In 1988, the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. §§ 5121-5206, was enacted to support State and local governments and their citizens when disasters overwhelm them. This law, as amended, establishes a process for requesting and obtaining a Presidential disaster declaration, defines the type and scope of assistance available from the Federal government, and sets the conditions for obtaining that assistance. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), now part of the Emergency Preparedness and Response Directorate of the Department of Homeland Security, is tasked with coordinating the response.

The State has to declare an emergency stating that it can't handle it with its own resources and request Federal assistance first in order to get Federal assistance. That's the way it works.

But nice story bro.
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and what happens when the state and local government can't be found? perhaps because they fled from said natural disaster? again if the law says you can't help someone it is a bad law, and then the president or whoever should be able to ignore in extreme situations (like the flooding of a city & region) That day and many others the system has failed the people.
 
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Grand Vol said:
No, different times back then. But there was a lot more he did in the aftermath. Which is why Obama can save face in this debacle.

I wasn't arguing, I just tend to take most things that come out of MSNBC with a generous portion of salt.

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Believe me, I know, which is why I'm a CNN man when it comes to cable news. Sad, but it's not exactly like there are any other legitimate options.

I admit that the two situations are not analogous; there obviously wasn't a situation like the Ukraine crisis going on to serve as context. I still found the comparison of the two responses interesting.
 
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LouderVol said:
and what happens when the state and local government can't be found? perhaps because they fled from said natural disaster? again if the law says you can't help someone it is a bad law, and then the president or whoever should be able to ignore in extreme situations (like the flooding of a city & region) That day and many others the system has failed the people.
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So in shorter simpler terms you support a POTUS being able to ignore and disregard the laws of this country?

You should be mad at the mayor and governor for making piss poor decisions instead of Bush for following the law.
 
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I remember seeing Katrina (2005) on the weather channel when it was way out to sea & how big that bad lady was a coming & thinking that those poor people living along & in the gulf states should be getting the hell out now & not hang around til the last second. People should not be willing to wait for the governor to tell them to evacuate. Then when they started to leave & go North the highways were all clogged up w/no place to go. It was way too late by then. President Bush was caught hand tied by circumstances way beyond his control to help the poor blacks stranded on the rooftops at the worst time possible.
 
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hog88 said:
So in shorter simpler terms you support a POTUS being able to ignore and disregard the laws of this country?

You should be mad at the mayor and governor for making piss poor decisions instead of Bush for following the law.
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This^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
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LouderVol said:
and what happens when the state and local government can't be found? perhaps because they fled from said natural disaster? again if the law says you can't help someone it is a bad law, and then the president or whoever should be able to ignore in extreme situations (like the flooding of a city & region) That day and many others the system has failed the people.
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Those two, the Mayor and the Governor had plenty of time to call this what it was and delayed in doing so.

Why?

There were plenty of failures to go around for Katrina but those two bear the brunt of it all. They knew the mechanism, or those who were in charge of City and State OES certainly did. And I'm sure they could be found. The delay in calling for Federal help was purely political and some seem to forget that fact.
 
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I must have missed the connection between a natural disaster hitting an American city and a Malaysian plane being shot down in Europe.
 
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