Man, I hope Worley's ticked off...

[MWAVolfan]

I'd care more about these types of projections if there were stories about guys getting fired for underestimating Auburn and Mizzou last year. Then they'd actually have some motivation to put in some research and genuine thought.

Nobody in the world predicted Auburn and Missouri to end up where they did. Not even Auburn and Missouri homers expected it. so its hard to blame the media for such an odd-ball year. No amount of book studying would have led ANYONE to predict that outcome. It was a total fluke year.

Anyone who picked Alabama #1 and Alabama to win the SEC would have been absolutely right up until the very last play of the very last game of the season against Auburn. If it werent for that single play I believe Alabama could have easily repeated as SEC and National champs.

College football is usually the easiest of all sports to predict the outcome of. On a percentage basis the team that should win almost always does win.

If you asked most analysts to predict at the beginning of the season who was going to end up in the top 10 at the end of the season, I'd bet the majority could get at least 7 of the 10 teams right based solely on the previous year's results and maybe knowing one or two key things like a key player who is lost to injury or a player lost to the NFL. That's about as good as predictions get in any sport.

 

[DERELICK_MY_VOLS]

Author has Dirskel at # 7 instead of #392.

Article invalid.

lol:

 

[MWAVolfan]

I don't know how I can make it any more simple. Worley didn't throw it well against SC, but got bailed out by a couple of crazy good catches at key times. It's not blasphemy to state the obvious . . . that Worley didn't have a good day that day getting the ball down the field and keeping the offense on the field. But, As Sjt pointed out, some of it was WR play and as ugly as it was, at least he didn't turn it over against a very good defense and we ran it well enough to put a couple of drives together.

He was actually very good a couple of weeks prior against UGA.

Its really hard to screw up when you dont throw the ball more than 5 yards, which is a glorified overhand shovel pass.

At the beginning of the year Worley would throw further down field, but he sucked at it. He would either throw the ball short or long or he would completely miss the wide open receiver and throw it to a guy who was covered.

so as a consequence the offense would go 3-and-out on almost every drive against good teams (not cupcakes).

Anyway, as the season went on the o-line just got worse and worse and Worley's confidence in himself as well as CBJ confidence (or the O-coordinators confidence) got less and less so they just developed this little dink and dunk passing game because Worley could not throw it down field with accuracy and even if he could the o-line could not hold off the defense long enough.

If the USC game there were a couple of miracle catches that helped us win, but on the balance of the season such things did not help us win. It was a one-time deal, which amazing catches generally are.

 

[MWAVolfan]

Who is Mauck? Are you talking about Mauk of Mizzou?

If so... then why do you think a QB with 3 great and experienced WR's to work with who STILL completed under 50% in 3 of his 4 starts deserves to be ranked that high? To give that some perspective, Franklin completed over 60% of his passes in 8 of the 10 games he played in.

Do you remember when UT lost Hunter, Rogers, Rogers, and CP and returned very little experienced talent? That's what Mizzou faces this fall... except maybe worse.

All I remember about Mauk is how much the announcers were going on and on about him during the UT/Mizzou game last year as he dismantled our defense rushing for over 100 yards and throwing for over 100 yards.

Dobbs didnt do that so much.

Mauk might lose a lot of help at WR, but that doesnt reflect on him as a QB although it might hurt his numbers. anyway, he's more of a dual threat QB than a pocket passer anyway so he can just Tim Tebow his way to victories.

 

[KBVol]

All I remember about Mauk is how much the announcers were going on and on about him during the UT/Mizzou game last year as he dismantled our defense rushing for over 100 yards and throwing for over 100 yards.

Dobbs didnt do that so much.

Mauk might lose a lot of help at WR, but that doesnt reflect on him as a QB although it might hurt his numbers. anyway, he's more of a dual threat QB than a pocket passer anyway so he can just Tim Tebow his way to victories.

Mauck...12-25, 163 yds throwing to some very big, very talented WRs vs UTs defense

Dobbs ....26-42, 240 yds throwing to Josh Smith, Pig Howard and a true freshman WR who played RB in highschool.....vs Missouri's defense.

 

[Rocky Top T]

Worley has to run some to keep defense honest!

 

[ntxVOL]

Man, I hope Worley's ticked off...after reading this thread.

Lot of haters on here. I think we see a much improved offense this year. Last year was a perfect storm with all the losses at the skill positions. I just don't think it is entirely fair to predict what the offense will be this season based upon last season.

 

[wmcovol]

Worley looked pretty good vs uf, uga and sc last year with practically 1 legit SEC WR (North). This yr, he has 3+. Vols would have beat vandy with him at Qb and made a bowl.

 

[sjt18]

Nobody in the world predicted Auburn and Missouri to end up where they did. Not even Auburn and Missouri homers expected it. so its hard to blame the media for such an odd-ball year. No amount of book studying would have led ANYONE to predict that outcome. It was a total fluke year.

You miss the point. MOST of the articles like this end up being wrong to DEAD wrong. The writers have no accountability so it is VERY easy for them to just throw stuff out without any real reasoning or research. I know you don't think highly of Worley and several other Vol players. But there is NO informed, intelligent analysis of the likely starting QB's in the SEC RIGHT NOW that renders Worley #14. You just can't get there.

College football is usually the easiest of all sports to predict the outcome of. On a percentage basis the team that should win almost always does win.

Define "should" as it relates to this article. You are praising/defending/agreeing with someone who is saying that several totally unproven QB's with less "love" as recruits than Worley got "should" be ranked above him in a pre-season evaluation of QB's. Lay your kneejerk bias aside for just a second or two and recognize how ignorant that is.

If you asked most analysts to predict at the beginning of the season who was going to end up in the top 10 at the end of the season, I'd bet the majority could get at least 7 of the 10 teams right based solely on the previous year's results and maybe knowing one or two key things like a key player who is lost to injury or a player lost to the NFL. That's about as good as predictions get in any sport.

So if it is so predictable then why aren't writers held accountable when they miss so badly. You parsed out the Bama pick to win the west but explain away the "favorites" this time last year to win the East were UF and UGA. That fully demonstrates how "serious" we SHOULD take this kind of non-sense.

 

[sjt18]

Mauck...12-25, 163 yds throwing to some very big, very talented WRs vs UTs defense

Dobbs ....26-42, 240 yds throwing to Josh Smith, Pig Howard and a true freshman WR who played RB in highschool.....vs Missouri's defense.

Perlas delante de los cerdos mi amigo...

 

[k-town_king]

How is everyone missing that they are accounting for the fact he may not start this year? The others all pretty much have their jobs sewn up. Worley may not start a game this year. He may start all 12 or 13.

 

[sjt18]

How is everyone missing that they are accounting for the fact he may not start this year? The others all pretty much have their jobs sewn up. Worley may not start a game this year. He may start all 12 or 13.

If you think that Worley is not the starter now or that he hasn't been the starter when healthy since Jones arrived except for the UF debacle last year... you are deluding yourself. No one is missing anything. Barring an injury or a miracle, he's the starter.

I have always liked Dobbs' game the best of any of the 4 (now 3). But he was #3 headed into the O&W game. IOW's, there was distance between Worley and Dobbs. My personal hope was just that he would continue to develop and catch Ferguson by next spring.

While there will be "competition" in August... Worley would really have to stumble in an unforeseen way for Dobbs or anyone else to overtake him.

This is TOTALLY about the guys who were chosen to go... it is strained "logic" at BEST to make it into some sort of statement about Worley.

 

[KBVol]

You miss the point. MOST of the articles like this end up being wrong to DEAD wrong. The writers have no accountability so it is VERY easy for them to just throw stuff out without any real reasoning or research. I know you don't think highly of Worley and several other Vol players. But there is NO informed, intelligent analysis of the likely starting QB's in the SEC RIGHT NOW that renders Worley #14. You just can't get there.

Define "should" as it relates to this article. You are praising/defending/agreeing with someone who is saying that several totally unproven QB's with less "love" as recruits than Worley got "should" be ranked above him in a pre-season evaluation of QB's. Lay your kneejerk bias aside for just a second or two and recognize how ignorant that is.



So if it is so predictable then why aren't writers held accountable when they miss so badly. You parsed out the Bama pick to win the west but explain away the "favorites" this time last year to win the East were UF and UGA. That fully demonstrates how "serious" we SHOULD take this kind of non-sense.

Very well said

 

[KBVol]

How is everyone missing that they are accounting for the fact he may not start this year? The others all pretty much have their jobs sewn up. Worley may not start a game this year. He may start all 12 or 13.

LSU, Vandy, Arkansas, Kentucky, Texas A&M, Alabama.....each has a QB "battle" going on like UT right now as none of them have named a starter.

For example, from the article itself......

No. 8: Kenny Hill, So., Texas A&M 8/15
This one is tough to rank because we don’t yet know who it will be. Hill gets the nod, only because he’s the returner, but freshman Kyle Allen could just as easily beat him out for the job.

No. 10: Anthony Jennings, So., LSU6/15
This could be Jennings or it could be freshman Brandon Harris, and either one of them could easily be better than 10th in the league. But that’s where they go for now until they prove they deserve a higher ranking.

Stupid list is stupid.

 

[sjt18]

I think there is little chance that Worley doesn't start USU. If things go south for Worley then Dobbs will likely get his shot with Jones playing for the future. I don't think JW will have an extremely long leash. Personally, I don't think he's going to need it. I think many are underestimating what he'll be able to do with the O this fall.

 

[MWAVolfan]

Mauck...12-25, 163 yds throwing to some very big, very talented WRs vs UTs defense

Dobbs ....26-42, 240 yds throwing to Josh Smith, Pig Howard and a true freshman WR who played RB in highschool.....vs Missouri's defense.

you are conveniently leaving out all the rushing yards for Mauk, and also the final score of the game.

 

[MWAVolfan]

You miss the point. MOST of the articles like this end up being wrong to DEAD wrong. The writers have no accountability so it is VERY easy for them to just throw stuff out without any real reasoning or research. I know you don't think highly of Worley and several other Vol players. But there is NO informed, intelligent analysis of the likely starting QB's in the SEC RIGHT NOW that renders Worley #14. You just can't get there.

Define "should" as it relates to this article. You are praising/defending/agreeing with someone who is saying that several totally unproven QB's with less "love" as recruits than Worley got "should" be ranked above him in a pre-season evaluation of QB's. Lay your kneejerk bias aside for just a second or two and recognize how ignorant that is.



So if it is so predictable then why aren't writers held accountable when they miss so badly. You parsed out the Bama pick to win the west but explain away the "favorites" this time last year to win the East were UF and UGA. That fully demonstrates how "serious" we SHOULD take this kind of non-sense.

I simply disagree with you. I think the "experts" are more right more of the time than they are wrong. And I certainly would not say they are "dead wrong". they may be dead wrong about one team, but not about a whole conference or the whole NCAA. anything can happen to one team that can cause them to miss a prediction. I'd say that over the last four or five years the predictions on Tennessee have been pretty well accurate. The lone exception that comes to my mind is how they touted our o-line last year, however they did not predict that our good o-line was going to translate into wins. At the end of the day they were wrong about our o-line but right about Tennessee in general. You try to take the exception (Missouri and Auburn last year) and make it the rule.

 

[sjt18]

I simply disagree with you. I think the "experts" are more right more of the time than they are wrong.

So are we if you are talking about picking Bama or LSU to win the SEC West. That's easy. An "expert" should be able to see an Auburn coming if they've done their research. I told people here last year that were predicting that to be a win that they were a very talented team. An "expert" also should have been able to see that UF's internal problems would not let them win the SEC... injuries or not.

And I certainly would not say they are "dead wrong".

DEAD wrong about UF and Mizzou last year.

You try to take the exception (Missouri and Auburn last year) and make it the rule.

It isn't that exceptional. They didn't pick TAM to be any good the year before either. Someone who is a paid expert should at least have more tangible data to back up a projection like the OP than the posters here do. This particular writer doesn't. He just yanks stuff out of his 4th point of contact and feeds it to the masses. When Worley is NOT the worst QB in the SEC this fall but instead is in the top half... this guy won't be held accountable for writing a poorly researched piece.

 

[sjt18]

you are conveniently leaving out all the rushing yards for Mauk, and also the final score of the game.

Mauk had 277 in total O. Dobbs had 285. Mauk was surrounded by a better team at that point.

He may improve... but the Mauk of '13 with the Mizzou O of '14... wouldn't be very good at all.

 

[DarthGrim]

The writer of this article reminds me of this.....

Hey guys, I'm gonna write a really great article about the QBs in the SEC that will totally come to fruition!!!!! Watch this...

 

[KBVol]

you are conveniently leaving out all the rushing yards for Mauk, and also the final score of the game.

Oh, you're right. Both were their team's leading rushers.

Dobbs - 7 carries, 45 yds, 6.4 ypc
Mauck - 13 carries, 114 yds, 8.8 ypc

You'd surely agree that Dobbs was playing against a much more difficult defense than Mauck.

Final score was 31-3 Missouri due in large part, in my estimation, to a true freshman making his first career start, on the road, at night, vs a top 10 team and eventual SEC East Champ.... and getting virtually no help from his teammates.

 

[MWAVolfan]

Oh, you're right. Both were their team's leading rushers.

Dobbs - 7 carries, 45 yds, 6.4 ypc
Mauck - 13 carries, 114 yds, 8.8 ypc

You'd surely agree that Dobbs was playing against a much more difficult defense than Mauck.

Final score was 31-3 Missouri due in large part, in my estimation, to a true freshman making his first career start, on the road, at night, vs a top 10 team and eventual SEC East Champ.... and getting virtually no help from his teammates.

Sure, their defense was better, but our poor QB play made them look a lot better.

They allowed Tennessee to score 3 points, but that was the least number of points that any team scored on them last year including Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and all the non conference cupcakes they played.

And Missouri winning the east was a real fluke IMO. They won less because they were so good and more because Florida and Georgia inexplicably choked.

 

[MWAVolfan]

Mauk had 277 in total O. Dobbs had 285. Mauk was surrounded by a better team at that point.

He may improve... but the Mauk of '13 with the Mizzou O of '14... wouldn't be very good at all.

Missouri knows exactly who will be their QB this year.

Tennessee has no clue..... and its not because Butch Jones has so many great options that he just cant choose.

That, in and of itself would cause Mauk to be ranked higher than any of our QBs.

 

[MWAVolfan]

So are we if you are talking about picking Bama or LSU to win the SEC West. That's easy. An "expert" should be able to see an Auburn coming if they've done their research. I told people here last year that were predicting that to be a win that they were a very talented team. An "expert" also should have been able to see that UF's internal problems would not let them win the SEC... injuries or not.

DEAD wrong about UF and Mizzou last year.



It isn't that exceptional. They didn't pick TAM to be any good the year before either. Someone who is a paid expert should at least have more tangible data to back up a projection like the OP than the posters here do. This particular writer doesn't. He just yanks stuff out of his 4th point of contact and feeds it to the masses. When Worley is NOT the worst QB in the SEC this fall but instead is in the top half... this guy won't be held accountable for writing a poorly researched piece.

Like I said and you left out. They can be wrong about a specific team because of unseen elements but usually not about the bigger picture. I guarantee you Alabama isnt going to go 4-8 or even 8-4 this year. And next year they will win a lot of games too, and the year after that as well. Most analysist, when you talk about the SEC east will say it is up for grabs between UGA/UF/USC and Missouri. I'm guessing one of those four teams will win.

TA&M is a good example. Nobody picked A&M because nobody knew anything about Johnny Manziel. without that ONE single factor they probably would have been right about A&M (middle of the pack).

 

[KBVol]

Sure, their defense was better, but our poor QB play made them look a lot better.

They allowed Tennessee to score 3 points, but that was the least number of points that any team scored on them last year including Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and all the non conference cupcakes they played.

And Missouri winning the east was a real fluke IMO. They won less because they were so good and more because Florida and Georgia inexplicably choked.

Our poor QB play? Dobbs set a UT freshman record with 26 completions, was our leading rusher and was, BY FAR, our best player that game. He got no help, especially from Josh Smith who dropped a perfectly thrown seam route from Dobbs that would've gone for ~40 yds and more than likely a td. It wasn't "poor QB play" that lost the game, it's the exact opposite. It's obvious you don't like Dobbs, but at least try to be fair about it.

Btw, Missouri's was top 5 in the nation in sacks and interceptions for the 2013 season. They looked really good ALL season long vs everybody they played prior to Auburn in the SECCG.