Man that doesn't look good

[thegreatwhite1]

In any given year there might be at most four high major baseball recruits in the state and at least two of them will sign a pro contract. People forget that the year David Price came to Vandy, their best signee was Kyle Waldrop, and he reneged on Corbin and went pro on draft day.

This year Vandy has more in-state signees than any time during Corbin's tenure, and the three best in-state signees are projected to sign pro contracts (two pitchers and one position player).

Almost all of their best players are from out of state.

If you look at Tennessee's current roster, how many of their out-of-state recruits are true pro prospects? If you play in the SEC and you cannot get elite kids from Texas, New England and California to come to your program, you have no hope of competing.

How many kids from New England are at LSU, TX A&M, etc.? Jordan Sheffield, Xander Weil, Phil Pheifer, Hayden Stone (before TJ). Come on man.

 

[BruinVol]

How many kids from New England are at LSU, TX A&M, etc.? Jordan Sheffield, Xander Weil, Phil Pheifer, Hayden Stone (before TJ). Come on man.

And 2 of those were previously committed to us and one in our backyard. What a shame

 

[golfhunter28]

Serrano has had three yrs of getting "his" recruits and is still in the cellar. You guys keep making excuses for the guy. Lets face it his small ball put pressure on the other team just doesn't work in the SEC. You also have Bergeron who is an embarrassment to the program, he was suspended for a week last year after one of the assistant AD's heard him calling/yelling at an opposing player calling the player a fat f@ggot. Really is this the type of class you expect from the baseball program. Do you think Chad Holbrook, Tim Corbin or Kevin O'Sullivan would put up with a classless guy like Bergy who cusses and argues with opposing players while coaching third? Also he's failing at his job but Serrano thinks “He is one of the best offensive strategists in college baseball and has done a fabulous job of developing infielders into first-round picks and gritty, grinding players.” Really?? This is not what I have seen.

 

[Mike Rapp]

How many kids from New England are at LSU, TX A&M, etc.? Jordan Sheffield, Xander Weil, Phil Pheifer, Hayden Stone (before TJ). Come on man.

Texas and Louisiana have always turned out dozens of high major baseball prospects every year. Tennessee never has and never will. The state does not have the population base to do so.


If you are saying the only way Tennessee can succeed is for Vandy to fail, then you have already lost the war. And if you think the only reason those kids are signing with Vandy is because of scholarship money, you're kidding yourself.

 

[TNSportsman]

I assume we are losing the best players to Vanderbilt because they have one of the best coaches in college baseball and haven't missed the NCAAT in over a decade. Not because of the scholarship structure.

 

[BruinVol]

I assume we are losing the best players to Vanderbilt because they have one of the best coaches in college baseball and haven't missed the NCAAT in over a decade. Not because of the scholarship structure.

It's not that simple at all. Partial scholarship sport

Which would most choose in this scenario???


1) 25% scholarship to Vandy that leaves 40k plus to pay per year

2) 25% scholarship to Tenn which leaves less than 10k per year

This scenario would happen regularly if the playing field was the same

 

[whobethis16]

It's not that simple at all. Partial scholarship sport

Which would most choose in this scenario???


1) 25% scholarship to Vandy that leaves 40k plus to pay per year

2) 25% scholarship to Tenn which leaves less than 10k per year

This scenario would happen regularly if the playing field was the same

1) Team that just won the national championship and regularly makes the post season, regional every year since 2006, last losing season was 2003
2) Team that has had 7 winning seasons in the past 13 years (looking at 14), 1 in the past 4.

Very hard to turn that down.

 

[BruinVol]

1) Team that just won the national championship and regularly makes the post season, regional every year since 2006, last losing season was 2003
2) Team that has had 7 winning seasons in the past 13 years (looking at 14), 1 in the past 4.

Very hard to turn that down.

Worth 160k???

If so your bank account is better than mine

 

[Mike Rapp]

And Alabama and Auburn can't compete because they don't have a state lottery.

And the Big 10 can't compete because they are a cold weather conference.

And Kentucky can't compete because they're a basketball school in a low population base state. Forget the fact that Louisville is in the same state, doesn't even have its own baseball stadium, and is ranked No. 2 in American and will win the ACC by what may end up being a record margin. Put Coach McDonnell in Knoxville and UT is in Omaha in five years.

Skip Bertman cries crocodile tears about this topic but you don't see Skip complaining to the NCAA about the fact that he has a state lottery that LSU has milked since Day 1, and regularly grabs elite players out of the state of Alabama as a result.

The state schools used to regularly put elite recruits onto academic scholarships so they could subvert the scholarship limits. Georgia was infamous for having 40+ players on its roster despite having partial scholarships, and they would go out and sign elite Georgia kids to academic and lottery scholarships that didn't even count against their roster size let alone their available scholarship funds.

Now the NCAA has mandated that every player must count toward a set number of roster members and every player must get some kind of athletics aid.

All I am saying is, no one complains about the uneven playing field when it disadvantages someone else.

People now forget that 12 years ago, Vanderbilt was the laughingstock of the SEC and hadn't even made the SEC tournament in a decade. Corbin got to Nashville and took a team with almost no pro talent and finished 6th in the league, and went to a Super Regional the next year. They've missed the NCAAs once during his tenure.

The private school advantage is an advantage, but Tennessee has advantages that Vandy will never have.

Personally, I hate the partial scholarship situation in baseball. It sucks for the entire sport. But the fact is, the NCAA can't change it because of Title IX, so either Tennessee is going to figure out how to use its unique advantages to compete in the SEC or it won't.

 

[whobethis16]

Worth 160k???

If so your bank account is better than mine

A Vandy degree is worth more than a UT one. Hate to say it, but it is. If I was good enough to get a scholarship to play baseball and get the Vandy education? For many people that is important. Same reason why so many parents send their kids to private school.

 

[BruinVol]

A Vandy degree is worth more than a UT one. Hate to say it, but it is. If I was good enough to get a scholarship to play baseball and get the Vandy education? For many people that is important. Same reason why so many parents send their kids to private school.

I can respect that choice but IMO more times that not kids/families can't afford 160k for school. If everyone could Why would any non athlete choose to go to tenn when they could go to Vandy or any other provide high $ institution?

 

[whobethis16]

I can respect that choice but IMO more times that not kids/families can't afford 160k for school. If everyone could Why would any non athlete choose to go to tenn when they could go to Vandy or any other provide high $ institution?

Degree programs, proximity, family history, etc. There's so much that can go into it.

Just a quick glance at the Vandy roster, there's a guy from Brentwood, Blackman, Farragut, Riverdale, Marietta GA, and Naples FL. Those are all very well developed areas. While I am just speculating, I doubt those parents have as many problems affording it as I would. I don't have time to research all the other hometowns, but if those 6 are similar to the others, there's your answer.

 

[TNSportsman]

I think you somewhat proved my point. Vanderbilt should be able to use something to level the playing field. If every kid had to pay $40K to get in there, while at UT they could pay 4K, that would be very uneven in the other direction.

They aren't the only school using this either. They have a great coach and are building on a really nice tradition while we are continuing to struggle to find the right person to lead our program. Time to bring Burke home and forget this west coast nonsense.

 

[vol66]

I think you somewhat proved my point. Vanderbilt should be able to use something to level the playing field. If every kid had to pay $40K to get in there, while at UT they could pay 4K, that would be very uneven in the other direction.

They aren't the only school using this either. They have a great coach and are building on a really nice tradition while we are continuing to struggle to find the right person to lead our program. Time to bring Burke home and forget this west coast nonsense.

That's an interesting choice. Get rid of an experienced coach for a guy with no experience at all...surely there's something in between. It's not like the guy couldn't be coaching, actually if he really wanted the job, seems like he would have been coaching the last four years instead of sitting in a booth talking about coaches coaching.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

And Alabama and Auburn can't compete because they don't have a state lottery.

And the Big 10 can't compete because they are a cold weather conference.

And Kentucky can't compete because they're a basketball school in a low population base state. Forget the fact that Louisville is in the same state, doesn't even have its own baseball stadium, and is ranked No. 2 in American and will win the ACC by what may end up being a record margin. Put Coach McDonnell in Knoxville and UT is in Omaha in five years.

Skip Bertman cries crocodile tears about this topic but you don't see Skip complaining to the NCAA about the fact that he has a state lottery that LSU has milked since Day 1, and regularly grabs elite players out of the state of Alabama as a result.

The state schools used to regularly put elite recruits onto academic scholarships so they could subvert the scholarship limits. Georgia was infamous for having 40+ players on its roster despite having partial scholarships, and they would go out and sign elite Georgia kids to academic and lottery scholarships that didn't even count against their roster size let alone their available scholarship funds.

Now the NCAA has mandated that every player must count toward a set number of roster members and every player must get some kind of athletics aid.

All I am saying is, no one complains about the uneven playing field when it disadvantages someone else.

People now forget that 12 years ago, Vanderbilt was the laughingstock of the SEC and hadn't even made the SEC tournament in a decade. Corbin got to Nashville and took a team with almost no pro talent and finished 6th in the league, and went to a Super Regional the next year. They've missed the NCAAs once during his tenure.

The private school advantage is an advantage, but Tennessee has advantages that Vandy will never have.

Personally, I hate the partial scholarship situation in baseball. It sucks for the entire sport. But the fact is, the NCAA can't change it because of Title IX, so either Tennessee is going to figure out how to use its unique advantages to compete in the SEC or it won't.

Jim Patterson Stadium is UofL's "alone" it's just privately owned. It was built for their program though.

 

[crossvilledore]

I can respect that choice but IMO more times that not kids/families can't afford 160k for school. If everyone could Why would any non athlete choose to go to tenn when they could go to Vandy or any other provide high $ institution?

Vanderbilt is not equipped for 20,000 students either. So not everyone will get accepted.

Honest questions for you since you claim that Vandy has an unfair advantage over everyone.
A. Why has this not helped the Basketball and Football teams? They could theoretically place half of those teams on academic scholarship and have recruiting classes of 50 players
B. Other than Vanderbilt here is list of all the SEC schools that have played in the CWS since Tennessee's last appearance in 2005
Arkansas (2009,2012)
Ole Miss (2014)
Miss St. (2007,2013) Runner-up in 2013
LSU (2008,2009,2013) 2009 Championship
Texas A&M (2011) Not an SEC member at that time
Georgia (2006,2008) 2008 runner-up
Florida (2005,2010,2011,2012) 2005 & 2011 runner up
South Carolina (2010,2011,2012) 2010 2011 Champs 2012 Runner-up
Note: Every team but UT has made the NCAA tournament since 2005.
How have all these teams accomplished all this success when Vanderbilt is cheating according to you?
C. UT has an advantage of lottery scholarships, Are they not using this to assist the 11.7 scholarship limit? I 100% bet they are
D. Do you have any proof to backup your claims? FYI: Tim Corbin regularly places kids on the SEC all-academic team If so please contact the NCAA or SEC office or stop disparaging the reputations of young men.
E. Explain Tim Corbin's success at Presbyterian?
F. Here are Vanderbilt's non TN starters and pitchers with their home towns in SEC states.
Walker Buehler Lexington, Ky.
Carson Fulmer Lakeland, Fla.
John Kilichowski Tampa, Fla.
Ryan Johnson Cedar Park, Texas
Dansby Swanson Marietta, Ga.
Karl Ellison Naples, Fla
Vanderbilt has 10 Tennessee players on it's roster. All but Phil Pfeifer came from middle Tennessee.
How has this hurt UT when it has not hurt the other SEC programs? As of right now if you were a top level player in Middle TN would you chose UT over Vandy?

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Vanderbilt is not equipped for 20,000 students either. So not everyone will get accepted.

Honest questions for you since you claim that Vandy has an unfair advantage over everyone.
A. Why has this not helped the Basketball and Football teams? They could theoretically place half of those teams on academic scholarship and have recruiting classes of 50 players
B. Other than Vanderbilt here is list of all the SEC schools that have played in the CWS since Tennessee's last appearance in 2005
Arkansas (2009,2012)
Ole Miss (2014)
Miss St. (2007,2013) Runner-up in 2013
LSU (2008,2009,2013) 2009 Championship
Texas A&M (2011) Not an SEC member at that time
Georgia (2006,2008) 2008 runner-up
Florida (2005,2010,2011,2012) 2005 & 2011 runner up
South Carolina (2010,2011,2012) 2010 2011 Champs 2012 Runner-up
Note: Every team but UT has made the NCAA tournament since 2005.
How have all these teams accomplished all this success when Vanderbilt is cheating according to you?
C. UT has an advantage of lottery scholarships, Are they not using this to assist the 11.7 scholarship limit? I 100% bet they are
D. Do you have any proof to backup your claims? FYI: Tim Corbin regularly places kids on the SEC all-academic team If so please contact the NCAA or SEC office or stop disparaging the reputations of young men.
E. Explain Tim Corbin's success at Presbyterian?
F. Here are Vanderbilt's non TN starters and pitchers with their home towns in SEC states.
Walker Buehler Lexington, Ky.
Carson Fulmer Lakeland, Fla.
John Kilichowski Tampa, Fla.
Ryan Johnson Cedar Park, Texas
Dansby Swanson Marietta, Ga.
Karl Ellison Naples, Fla
Vanderbilt has 10 Tennessee players on it's roster. All but Phil Pfeifer came from middle Tennessee.
How has this hurt UT when it has not hurt the other SEC programs? As of right now if you were a top level player in Middle TN would you chose UT over Vandy?

Whether his claim is correct or incorrect, how is saying Vandy uses academic money/scholarships disparaging the athletes? Are y'all all this sensitive on West End?

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

I 100% respect you and consider you a great and knowledgeable baseball fan. As I stated before you are not the fan I was directing my actions towards. Yes I did come to gloat to some of the people on here About baseball. Certainly not to you. What does football have to do with anything baseball related? The football junkies want to talk trash so I responded in kind. Some of the things I have read on here are disgusting. Hoping Carson Fulmer takes a line drive to his head. Really hoping something on a young man that could cost him his life over a sport.
Please understand my opinions are mine only and do not reflect most of the Vanderbilt fans. With that I will leave and not post here anymore. I am sorry if I upset anyone.

What happened to the last two sentences from a year ago? 😄

 

[crossvilledore]

Whether his claim is correct or incorrect, how is saying Vandy uses academic money/scholarships disparaging the athletes? Are y'all all this sensitive on West End?

He is saying these kids are only getting scholarships because they play baseball. These young men work hard in both the classroom and field. Instead he claims they are cheating the system somehow. In the end it's leveling the playing feild their parents are paying what most of the state schools are. The payback is a Vanderbilt degree and for most a jump in draft position. College baseball is different in that players want to play in college. Almost all are drafted out of high school and could sign a pro contract, but choose to play in college. If you are making that choice why not play for Vandy and Tim Corbin?
As far as me saying I won't post here anymore, about a month ago I was checking it out after a year ( mainly to see what your odds of making Hoover are) and found the same hollow claims made about Vandy.

 

[BruinVol]

In the end it's leveling the playing feild their parents are paying what most of the state schools are.

False


And to an earlier absurd question


It doesn't work in football/basketball because there are many different rules surrounding the recruitment of walks on from those sports but thanks for making my point. In those sports scholarships are fullrides for all schools.And guess what.....

Athletes aren't choosing that world class education at nearly the same rate

 

[crossvilledore]

False


And to an earlier absurd question


It doesn't work in football/basketball because there are many different rules surrounding the recruitment of walks on from those sports but thanks for making my point. In those sports scholarships are fullrides for all schools.And guess what.....

Athletes aren't choosing that world class education at nearly the same rate

Once again prove your complaint? It comes off as whining on your part and is total speculation. It is legal according to the NCAA.

Do you really think if Baseball went to 30 full ride scholarships, a player would choose UT over Vandy right now? Especially one from Middle TN.

Some top Football and Basketball recruits are not interested in their education and you know it. They are basically minor league sports. Do you really think all those NBA prospects chose UK because of their music program? lol:
You never answered any of my other questions though. How come the rest of the SEC has no problem competing in Baseball but this is a huge handicap for UT?

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

He is saying these kids are only getting scholarships because they play baseball. These young men work hard in both the classroom and field. Instead he claims they are cheating the system somehow. In the end it's leveling the playing feild their parents are paying what most of the state schools are. The payback is a Vanderbilt degree and for most a jump in draft position. College baseball is different in that players want to play in college. Almost all are drafted out of high school and could sign a pro contract, but choose to play in college. If you are making that choice why not play for Vandy and Tim Corbin?
As far as me saying I won't post here anymore, about a month ago I was checking it out after a year ( mainly to see what your odds of making Hoover are) and found the same hollow claims made about Vandy.

You really read into things. The claim has been the rule, legal all around, benefits Vandy; not that they're cheating. I think his claim is overblown myself, but I don't see it as being disparaging or insulting. Now you're starting to whine.

 

[BruinVol]

. How come the rest of the SEC has no problem competing in Baseball but this is a huge handicap for UT?

That's an easy answer. Successful programs get quality close to home recruits for cheap. That doesn't happen at nearly a high enough rate at Tenn while it happens routinely at all other sec schools.


66 can post the article that has unnamed coaches quotes stating these issues for your proof

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

That's an easy answer. Successful programs get quality close to home recruits for cheap. That doesn't happen at nearly a high enough rate at Tenn while it happens routinely at all other sec schools.


66 can post the article that has unnamed coaches quotes stating these issues for your proof

Ok that first paragraph makes us look like sour grapes. "It doesn't affect other SEC teams because they're better than us, therefore they recruit better than us on the local level. Meanwhile we suck, so local kids don't choose us but instead choose Vandy cause of their unlimited scholarships."

Mississippi has a population that's less than half that of TN yet they routinely have much better programs than us. Are you telling me we can't find enough quality baseball players in TN to field a decent team but MS can support 2 at a reasonably, consistent level?

 

[vol66]

That's an easy answer. Successful programs get quality close to home recruits for cheap. That doesn't happen at nearly a high enough rate at Tenn while it happens routinely at all other sec schools.


66 can post the article that has unnamed coaches quotes stating these issues for your proof

I could, but frankly it's old news on a tiresome topic. The truth is simple, both Tennessee and Vandy make up their rosters about the same...only about 1/3 of the kids are from Tennessee. With the other 2/3, the advantage Vandy has can be overcome, maybe not head to head, but certainly recruiting nationally, we should be able to find our fair share, there should be enough to go around, Vandy can't sign them all.

Frankly, like with UK in basketball, we don't have to win a series with Vandy to make the NCAA field. I'd prefer to get out of the basement...when we stop getting swept by the likes of UGA at home, maybe this conversation will be worth having.