Manning's Playoff Teams

#127
#127
JMSqb11 said:
He fumbled the ball. That was cause by an action of Peyton's. and the excuses continue to happen
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:whatever:
Are you on a personal crusade against the QB or unaware of the official stat? It was a "forced" turnover due to bull rush. PERIOD. No debate. Official stat - "forced" turnover. To continue to say otherwise reveals a bias or ignorance.

(QB's fumble footballs regularly during throwing motion when defensive linemen force it.)
 
#128
#128
bam15 said:
Yes, actually, it was. I call a flake a flake. I find you making fun of another person hypocritical. You've posted nothing but garbage and then resort to calling me names. Feel free to stop any time.
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Calling you Einstein is calling you names? LMAO
 
#129
#129
BigOrangeCrush32 said:
WRONG....the game should never have gotten that far....Peyton LED the Broncos to the potential Game winning TD late in the 4th quarter...only to have the coach realize he had no balls and not try to get the first down....then for a safety in the freakin NFL not get deeper than the deepest receiver in a prevent defense....that was inexcusable....then with 2timeouts left and 30sec to get into field goal range they kneel down....then in the overtime former Vol Colquitt pins the Ravens down inside their 5yd line...only for the defense to let the Ravens, on 3rd down none the less, to get a long pass down the field and virtually rev field advantage....BUT ALL ANYONE WILL TALK ABOUT AND BLAME IS PEYTON THROWING THE INT....his first Int is on Decker, hit him in both his hands, and the fumble, apparently on pretty boy Brady gets to have the TUCK RULE applied....
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So Peyton, who was changing plays all game, is not at any fault for not throwing on that 3rd and 7? Seems a lot like people thinking Fox controls Peyton.
 
#130
#130
volmoon said:
:whatever:
Are you on a personal crusade against the QB or unaware of the official stat? It was a "forced" turnover due to bull rush. PERIOD. No debate. Official stat - "forced" turnover. To continue to say otherwise reveals a bias or ignorance.

(QB's fumble footballs regularly during throwing motion when defensive linemen force it.)
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On the stat sheet who is the fumble lost attributed to?

I'll hang up and listen.
 
#133
#133
Boca Vol said:
If you're going to throw the #2 finish in 1995 out there, don't ever make fun of Alabama and their 222,000 national titles.

That was the year one poll ranked UT ahead of UF even though they beat UT 62-37. The other poll had UF #2 and UT #3.
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UT was better! Fl. was a road game & 5 straight turnovers to start the 2nd half & Peyton had none of them did UT in!

:hi:

tennesseeduke
 
#134
#134
tennesseeduke said:
UT was better! Fl. was a road game & 5 straight turnovers to start the 2nd half & Peyton had none of them did UT in!

:hi:

tennesseeduke
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UT was better than UF, even though UF beat them by 25? And UF's only loss was to one of the best college football teams ever?
 
#135
#135
JMSqb11 said:
I don't hate anyone. I don't think that is right. I am one who isn't gooey eyed and in love with Peyton. It's amazing how much credit is given to a player when he wins, but millions of excuses are given when he loses. I just don't buy into all the hype.
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This is true for everyone except one Tom Brady. When the Patriots team wins, it's all Brady all the time, oh he's so wonderful, what a leader blah blah blah.

When he plays marginal and they lose a big game, it's never placed on his shoulders like it is Peyton.

All I need to know about Clown Brady is that a guy who hadn't started a football game since high school took over his job and went 11-5 and has since gone to other teams and been terrible. Brady is the Graham Harrell of the NFL, just nobody will admit it.
 
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#137
#137
DeansRedHalo said:
This is true for everyone except one Tom Brady. When the Patriots team wins, it's all Brady all the time, oh he's so wonderful, what a leader blah blah blah.

When he plays marginal and they lose a big game, it's never placed on his shoulders like it is Peyton.

All I need to know about Clown Brady is that a guy who hadn't started a football game since high school took over his job and went 11-5 and has since gone to other teams and been terrible. Brady is the Graham Harrell of the NFL, just nobody will admit it.
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If you're talking about him not getting blamed for those two Super Bowls, that is correct. In both games, he drove the offense down the field and scored and the defense gave up the winning scores. At least when the defense let Peyton down, Peyton still had adequate time to drive down the field to tie or win. What happens? He chokes.

Also, the year Brady got hurt, look at their schedule. They had one of the easiest in he league and they had the best running game that the Pats ever had this past decade. To act like Brady isn't a key and vital to that team is nonsense. He going down is the reason they didn't make the playoffs
 
#138
#138
JMSqb11 said:
If you're talking about him not getting blamed for those two Super Bowls, that is correct. In both games, he drove the offense down the field and scored and the defense gave up the winning scores. At least when the defense let Peyton down, Peyton still had adequate time to drive down the field to tie or win. What happens? He chokes.

Also, the year Brady got hurt, look at their schedule. They had one of the easiest in he league and they had the best running game that the Pats ever had this past decade. To act like Brady isn't a key and vital to that team is nonsense. He going down is the reason they didn't make the playoffs
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If Rahim Moore remembers something that you're taught to do on the FIRST DAY of football practice as a safety, Peyton doesn't have to come back out, end of story. That bonehead play let the air and momentum completely out of the team -- they were done, you could see their body language.

Again, D surrenders game-altering outcome = not Brady's fault. Not his ill-advised picks, or fumbles, or failures to diagnose a blitz and eat a sack -- those apparently don't count with him.

Peyton's D surrenders game-altering outcome = Peyton's fault because he can't engineer a winning drive in 30 seconds or in OT (something he's done more than any other QB in HISTORY, mind you)...

And your only response to my comment about Matt Cassel was that the Pats had an easy schedule? Heck, the Colts couldn't manage more than 2 wins in a down division last year without Peyton and a revolving door of QBs...let alone a LITERAL career backup at the helm.

Peyton is 1-2 against Brady in the postseason if I recall...but Eli is 2-0 against Brady in the big one, so therefore he's automatically better.

So in the QB hierarchy, it's Terry Bradshaw > Eli > Brady > Peyton.
 
#139
#139
DeansRedHalo said:
If Rahim Moore remembers something that you're taught to do on the FIRST DAY of football practice as a safety, Peyton doesn't have to come back out, end of story. That bonehead play let the air and momentum completely out of the team -- they were done, you could see their body language.

Again, D surrenders game-altering outcome = not Brady's fault. Not his ill-advised picks, or fumbles, or failures to diagnose a blitz and eat a sack -- those apparently don't count with him.

Peyton's D surrenders game-altering outcome = Peyton's fault because he can't engineer a winning drive in 30 seconds or in OT (something he's done more than any other QB in HISTORY, mind you)...

And your only response to my comment about Matt Cassel was that the Pats had an easy schedule? Heck, the Colts couldn't manage more than 2 wins in a down division last year without Peyton and a revolving door of QBs...let alone a LITERAL career backup at the helm.

Peyton is 1-2 against Brady in the postseason if I recall...but Eli is 2-0 against Brady in the big one, so therefore he's automatically better.

So in the QB hierarchy, it's Terry Bradshaw > Eli > Brady > Peyton.
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Okay since Brady is not that important to the Pats, who do those 17 wins by him in the postseason go to now?
 
#140
#140
They count as just another stat in my eyes. They don't make him anymore clutch than any other QB, cause the truth is, he's had the benefit of a great D and a great running game for a whole lot of those wins.

Toni Kukoc has three NBA rings...does that make him better than LeBron? (A marquee player that many also consider to come up lame in the postseason as well).
 
#141
#141
OH-Vol said:
I love Peyton but he chose Denver's Defense and John Elway proganda over San Francisco's Defense..... Bad Move!!!!
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In my circle of influence, I said this all day long b/4 he made his decision - that is - if he wanted to win a S/B, he should go to the 49ers.

Sadly, the end of the season will likely confirm this.
 
#142
#142
OH-Vol said:
I love Peyton but he chose Denver's Defense and John Elway proganda over San Francisco's Defense..... Bad Move!!!!
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denver was desperate for a big name QB and paid him $95 million, guaranteed. SF couldn't match that cash.
 
#143
#143
tennesseeduke said:
UT was better! Fl. was a road game & 5 straight turnovers to start the 2nd half & Peyton had none of them did UT in!

:hi:

tennesseeduke
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here's the deal.

when your opponent scores 48 straight during the course of the game.....the opponent is better.

just for further reference and everything
 
#144
#144
99gator said:
here's the deal.

when your opponent scores 48 straight during the course of the game.....the opponent is better.

just for further reference and everything
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That makes you feel good. Doesn't it?
 
#145
#145
Moreno was the 2nd stringer dont forget McGahee was out for the season - this team doesnt have close to what Indy STILL has
 
#146
#146
Behr1213 said:
That makes you feel good. Doesn't it?
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not really.

the whole thing is what makes the tennessee fan base unique.

how many other teams could you hang 60 on and be told you didn't have the better team? or go 5-7 and claim to be better than the team that played for a national title?

that's a wow factor that just can't be replicated.
 
#147
#147
99gator said:
not really.

the whole thing is what makes the tennessee fan base unique.

how many other teams could you hang 60 on and be told you didn't have the better team? or go 5-7 and claim to be better than the team that played for a national title?

that's a wow factor that just can't be replicated.
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Please don't judge us by the mental midgets that actually believe that crap.
 
#150
#150
VolsSportsFan said:
UT was better than UF, even though UF beat them by 25? And UF's only loss was to one of the best college football teams ever?
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We were better in the first half, the rain came and we got caught up in the biggest whirlwind azz-whipping I can recall. We kept fumbling and Florida kept scoring touchdowns. The 1995 squad is one of my favorite Vol teams. I still believe we were as good as UF at the end of the year but not on the Saturday we played.
 
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