Marijuana

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hmanvolfan said:
They forgot to add the stat that smoking pot makes one stupid.
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well....a lot of people are stupid all on their own.

Hard to blame that on marijuana.

I say legalize it and tax and I'm not even a smoker.
 
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Gator H8R said:
FAIL. Id like to see you find a stat anywhere that proves that. If thats the case the number would be a hell of a lot higher than it already is. Get a grip buddy.
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dantheman617 said:
CDC: Smoking Deaths Highest in Kentucky and West Virginia, Lowest in Utah and Hawaii - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News - FOXNews.com

Just one of many articles stating tobacco relates deaths are calculated by death certificates of individuals who died from lung cancer or other proven tobacco related diseases. Just sayin...
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http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv21n4/lies.pdf

My grandfather died in 1987 and was calculated as a smoking-related death because he had a number of lung problems that directly contributed to his demise. In reality, he never smoked, any carcinogenic compounds in his lungs were a result of working as a coal miner for one summer in 1916, and he died at age 85 (hardly a "premature smoking-related death").

rjd970 said:
This is a huge fail. I guarantee the number who die from alcohol poisoning is higher than that of marijuana. I know this because marijuana is unique in that it has legitimate medical uses and no known lethal dosage. We are talking about smoking a naturally occuring plant, not smoking cyanide laced cigarettes or fermented liver killers.

The fact that alcohol and tobacco are legal and marijuana isn't is just about the most absurd thing in this country.

The statistics of it and common sense states it should be legal. Legalize it, and free all people in our prison system with non-violent marijuana offenses. End of story.
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1) Of course acute alcohol poisoning causes more deaths, which is exactly my point. There's no known toxicity for burnt tobacco, smokeless tobacco, or vitamin C either, but it doesn't stop anyone from saying "Tobacco causes 400,000 deaths a year and pot causes none!"

2) Here's the thing I don't get. The WHO, the Clinton White House, and a bunch of other pinheads went on their anti-smoking crusade because of secondhand smoke. So if secondhand smoke from tobacco, which may or may not deposit carcinogens in the lungs of everyone around, is this horrifying violation of human rights....what the hell is secondhand smoke off a joint going to do? My dad quit smoking two years ago but before that had done it every day of my life. When I was living at home, the worst that would happen to me as a result of his morning cigarettes was smelling like an ashtray. Had he been smoking reefer, are you honestly trying to tell me that I would have been unaffected by that?

3) Among substances that are currently illegal or heavily regulated that should be relaxed, I'd put ephedrine at the top of the list long before pot.

4) Can we free everyone who's in prison for non-violent offenses while we're at it too? Why differentiate between those who toke up and those who are deadbeat parents or white-collar criminals?
 
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Crew said:
well....a lot of people are stupid all on their own.

Hard to blame that on marijuana.

I say legalize it and tax and I'm not even a smoker.
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I'm sorry, I should've said stupider. But I agree that it should be taxed since there are so many stupider people... :p
 
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regardless of your views on legalization, we should all agree that Half-baked is an awesome movie.
 
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volinbham said:
regardless of your views on legalization, we should all agree that Half-baked is an awesome movie.
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Brian: Get some sour cream and onion chips with some dip, man, some beef jerky, some peanut butter. Get some Häagen-Dazs ice cream bars, a whole lot, make sure chocolate, gotta have chocolate, man. Some popcorn, red popcorn, graham crackers, graham crackers with marshmallows, the little marshmallows and little chocolate bars and we can make s'mores, man. Also, celery, grape jelly, Cap'n Crunch with the little Crunch berries, pizzas. We need two big pizzas, man, everything on 'em, with water, whole lotta water, and Funyons.
Kenny: That's it?
Thurgood Jenkins: Yeah, get me a box of condoms, and, what was that thing we used to eat back in the day? What was it... oh yeah, *****.
Kenny: You got it.

One of the greatest scenes.....EVER!!!
 
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Here's a conversation picture between OE and LG.

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LG is obviously portrayed by Jon Stewart in this picture.
 
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You ever seen the back of a twenty dollar bill man. ever seen the back of a twenty dollar bill, on weeeeeeed. is there a guy in the bushes man, does he have a gun. i dunno!!!
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Ohio Vol said:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv21n4/lies.pdf My grandfather died in 1987 and was calculated as a smoking-related death because he had a number of lung problems that directly contributed to his demise. In reality, he never smoked, any carcinogenic compounds in his lungs were a result of working as a coal miner for one summer in 1916, and he died at age 85 (hardly a "premature smoking-related death"). 1) Of course acute alcohol poisoning causes more deaths, which is exactly my point. There's no known toxicity for burnt tobacco, smokeless tobacco, or vitamin C either, but it doesn't stop anyone from saying "Tobacco causes 400,000 deaths a year and pot causes none!" 2) Here's the thing I don't get. The WHO, the Clinton White House, and a bunch of other pinheads went on their anti-smoking crusade because of secondhand smoke. So if secondhand smoke from tobacco, which may or may not deposit carcinogens in the lungs of everyone around, is this horrifying violation of human rights....what the hell is secondhand smoke off a joint going to do? My dad quit smoking two years ago but before that had done it every day of my life. When I was living at home, the worst that would happen to me as a result of his morning cigarettes was smelling like an ashtray. Had he been smoking reefer, are you honestly trying to tell me that I would have been unaffected by that? 3) Among substances that are currently illegal or heavily regulated that should be relaxed, I'd put ephedrine at the top of the list long before pot. 4) Can we free everyone who's in prison for non-violent offenses while we're at it too? Why differentiate between those who toke up and those who are deadbeat parents or white-collar criminals?
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Gator H8R said:
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Do you feel like emerging from a cloud of smoke long enough to actually address any of those points, or are you going to continue roving for Cheetos and listening to Phish?

Anyone over age 25 who openly glorifies pot needs to grow the hell up.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv21n4/lies.pdf

My grandfather died in 1987 and was calculated as a smoking-related death because he had a number of lung problems that directly contributed to his demise. In reality, he never smoked, any carcinogenic compounds in his lungs were a result of working as a coal miner for one summer in 1916, and he died at age 85 (hardly a "premature smoking-related death").



1) Of course acute alcohol poisoning causes more deaths, which is exactly my point. There's no known toxicity for burnt tobacco, smokeless tobacco, or vitamin C either, but it doesn't stop anyone from saying "Tobacco causes 400,000 deaths a year and pot causes none!"

2) Here's the thing I don't get. The WHO, the Clinton White House, and a bunch of other pinheads went on their anti-smoking crusade because of secondhand smoke. So if secondhand smoke from tobacco, which may or may not deposit carcinogens in the lungs of everyone around, is this horrifying violation of human rights....what the hell is secondhand smoke off a joint going to do? My dad quit smoking two years ago but before that had done it every day of my life. When I was living at home, the worst that would happen to me as a result of his morning cigarettes was smelling like an ashtray. Had he been smoking reefer, are you honestly trying to tell me that I would have been unaffected by that?

3) Among substances that are currently illegal or heavily regulated that should be relaxed, I'd put ephedrine at the top of the list long before pot.

4) Can we free everyone who's in prison for non-violent offenses while we're at it too? Why differentiate between those who toke up and those who are deadbeat parents or white-collar criminals?
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I was simply showing the ignorance of your post. Someone who gets shot in the head does not go down as a tobacco related death. I understand your stance on your grandfather, but how many cole miners do we have these days?

Ephedrine legal? Really? A substance that speeds up the heart and used to make meth? Ephedrine has many good uses but that is just silly.

You honestly dont have a damn clue what your talking about. You seem to think you know alot about something that in reality you do not have a clue. Have you ever seen what is put into a cigarette? Now compare that to pot. Pot is grown, then smoked as is. Cant say that about cigarettes can you? Come to think of it I cannot name any other illegal substance that is just grown and used in its original form. If it was made legal I agree that it needs to be monitored and stilll banned from many activites (much like alcohol). I wouldn't want someone high while they are working, driving, etc. The biggest question of the MJ debate is if cigarettes, alcohol, etc are legal why isn't MJ? If your concerned about second hand smoke, dont be around it. From the sounds of it I dont expect you to be someone to befriend a smoker. If you really think second hand smoke of MJ is that of cigarettes then you truely are confused. Just to name a few chemicals that are in cigarettes...Benzene, Ammonia, formaldehyde, acetone (nail polish remover), Arsenic (rat poison), hydrogen cyanide (gas chamber poision), and carbon monoxide. There are over 4,000 chemicals and over 50 carcingens in cigs. Now lets compare what is in pot.........I guess I dont need to say anything else cause pot is pot. Unless someone is using dangerous chemicals/pesticides/fertilizers to grow it, there is no additives.

This website is great for information...
Marijuana | Drug War Facts

In the end, each his own regarding the subject.
 
#38
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Ohio Vol said:
Do you feel like emerging from a cloud of smoke long enough to actually address any of those points, or are you going to continue roving for Cheetos and listening to Phish?

Anyone over age 25 who openly glorifies pot needs to grow the hell up.
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Ah a ignorant stereotype. Do YOU feel like emerging from your cloud of ignorance to actually do research and make points that make sense, or are you going to continue acting like you know what your talking about?

Did you know that 158.8 million people smoke pot? If you think those are all under 25, you are mistaken.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
Do you feel like emerging from a cloud of smoke long enough to actually address any of those points, or are you going to continue roving for Cheetos and listening to Phish?

Anyone over age 25 who openly glorifies pot needs to grow the hell up.
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And who said im glorifying it. If you cant see the fact that legalization would make things alot easier on alot of people in this country then get me a ladder so i can come up there and ride that high horse you're on.
 
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#40
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dantheman617 said:
I was simply showing the ignorance of your post. Someone who gets shot in the head does not go down as a tobacco related death. I understand your stance on your grandfather, but how many cole miners do we have these days?
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I'm going to guess that a "cole miner" is someone who grows cabbage, although they prefer to be called "slaw miners".

Understand first that as someone who views sabermetrics as a hobby, I'm used to seeing logical fallacies and therefore I approach any statistic with a highly skeptical eye.

Ephedrine legal? Really? A substance that speeds up the heart and used to make meth? Ephedrine has many good uses but that is just silly.
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Ephedrine is:
- Herbal (comes from the ma huang plant)
- Medicinal (its primary use is to act as a bronchodilator)

Heck, you should be all over that one.

It's funny though. Ephedrine is apparently fine and dandy for asthmatics, who generally have reduced cardiovascular function, to use on a daily basis multiple times a day. But for anyone else, no such luck.

Or, to go a bit further, caffeine also speeds up cardiac function, is unregulated, and is dumped by the barrelful into legal soft drinks that are consumed by young people. So why shouldn't ephedrine be legal?

You honestly dont have a damn clue what your talking about. You seem to think you know alot about something that in reality you do not have a clue. Have you ever seen what is put into a cigarette? Now compare that to pot. Pot is grown, then smoked as is. Cant say that about cigarettes can you? Come to think of it I cannot name any other illegal substance that is just grown and used in its original form. If it was made legal I agree that it needs to be monitored and stilll banned from many activites (much like alcohol). I wouldn't want someone high while they are working, driving, etc. The biggest question of the MJ debate is if cigarettes, alcohol, etc are legal why isn't MJ? If your concerned about second hand smoke, dont be around it. From the sounds of it I dont expect you to be someone to befriend a smoker. If you really think second hand smoke of MJ is that of cigarettes then you truely are confused. Just to name a few chemicals that are in cigarettes...Benzene, Ammonia, formaldehyde, acetone (nail polish remover), Arsenic (rat poison), hydrogen cyanide (gas chamber poision), and carbon monoxide. There are over 4,000 chemicals and over 50 carcingens in cigs. Now lets compare what is in pot.........I guess I dont need to say anything else cause pot is pot. Unless someone is using dangerous chemicals/pesticides/fertilizers to grow it, there is no additives.
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I'm used to seeing every type of logical fallacy, and this has most of them in one paragraph.
- Just because something is naturally grown with no additives doesn't make it safe, and just because something is loaded with additives doesn't make it unsafe. Hemlock and cyanide are naturally occurring, but I don't see anyone promoting their use as a sleep aid.
- Cigarettes are legal for a variety of reasons.
- Alcohol is legal for a variety of reasons. You make this comparison as if it's somehow valid, even though it's entirely possible to have a beer while watching the game and have no effect from the alcohol (this is more true if it's cheap American beer). Does one smoke pot for the taste? No, the purpose is to get high. If you want to compare it to alcohol, it would be more valid if every type of fermented drink were pulled off the market and replaced with grain alcohol or varnish, where one drink would get you loaded and possibly blind.
- There have been no demonstrated mental effects of exposure to secondhand tobacco smoke, but there sure have been for pot. I've never heard of someone riding shotgun off a pack of Camels. Exposure to gasoline fumes (and its byproduct, carbon monoxide) is a great deal more harmful than tobacco smoke.

Here's the general rule for being able to successfully argue in favor of legalization of marijuana: "Can I make an argument without drawing comparisons to alcohol, tobacco, and other legal substances, and can I also make an exclusive-enough case that would also not indirectly advocate the legalization of heroin, cocaine, and other mind-blowing substances?"

This website is great for information...
Marijuana | Drug War Facts

In the end, each his own regarding the subject.
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Ah yes, truly an unbiased source.

dantheman617 said:
Ah a ignorant stereotype. Do YOU feel like emerging from your cloud of ignorance to actually do research and make points that make sense, or are you going to continue acting like you know what your talking about?

Did you know that 158.8 million people smoke pot? If you think those are all under 25, you are mistaken.
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I said "openly glorifies", not "occasionally partakes". Half the people I know in the restaurant industry toke up, but none of them go to the level of Woody Harrelson and evangelize the "virtues" of pot.

Gator H8R said:
And who said im glorifying it. If you cant see the fact that legalization would make things alot easier on alot of people in this country then get me a ladder so i can come up there and ride that high horse you're on.
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It would make things a lot easier if we could take certain people out into the street and shoot them, but it's not going to happen. We could wipe out organized crime in a month, terrorism in six months, and people who don't know how to drive in a year.

Interesting choice of words at the end there...no horse I ride is high because my horses are above the influence.:p
 
#41
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"Can I make an argument without drawing comparisons to alcohol, tobacco, and other legal substances, and can I also make an exclusive-enough case that would also not indirectly advocate the legalization of heroin, cocaine, and other mind-blowing substances?"
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Let me give it a shot....

Marijuana is a completely safe drug when used responsibly in the in the privacy of one's own home. It doesn't even have to be smoked, and when regulated and taxed can curb the whole "gateway drug" myth. Occasional recreational use has been shown to have no long term effects, and in fact, the drug has legitimate medicinal uses. When used responsibly, it does not hinder one's ability to be a productive member of society. It is not even close to having the addictive properties of heroin, cocaine, and other mind blowing substances....many of which, aren't naturally occuring, and are unsafe because of unknown additives to them. The economic impacts speak for themselves. Marijuana drug pins and illegal black market dealings would be out of business overnight...literally, and the tax revenue could be significant.

I don't even smoke and have no desire to. But from a strictly unbiased and logical point of view, this is a no brainer. To say nothing of the fact that the comparisons to other, more deadly legal drugs are certainly relevant and only strengthen the case.
 
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I totally agree with your first sentence, but can you guarantee that it will always be used responsibly? If you can't, why add another legal substance to the public that could cause more DUI type accidents? I used to enjoy using back in college and had to stop due to testing in the workplace. I would much prefer to light one up than drink a six pack, but one kid getting stoned and taking out a family while driving under the influence is one too many. We already have too much of that with alcohol, why add another substance to increase the risk?
 
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Spent Fuel said:
I totally agree with your first sentence, but can you guarantee that it will always be used responsibly? If you can't, why add another legal substance to the public that could cause more DUI type accidents? I used to enjoy using back in college and had to stop due to testing in the workplace. I would much prefer to light one up than drink a six pack, but one kid getting stoned and taking out a family while driving under the influence is one too many. We already have too much of that with alcohol, why add another substance to increase the risk?
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I can't guarantee that anymore than anyone can about alcohol or tobacco. The difference pot is less deadly than the other two. Just because we have always had DUI's with alcohol and we don't want anymore with pot isn't much of an argument. I could just as easily say ban alcohol and legalize pot. It would be a wash safety wise (at worst) and probably be less harmful to your health.
 
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Totally agree with you, it was just my two cents on why I wouldn't like to see it become legal as alcohol is never going away so I don't see the need to increase the number of people driving under the influence.

A little off topic question here about MJ. What if you were a football player for Cal and hurt your knee, back, etc. and got a medical marijuana scrip from a doctor, could you get kicked off the team with a failed test? Just wondering as i could see Kiffen use this as a recruiting tool.
 
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Gator H8R said:
True. I mean look at the facts, i just dont understand why some many people think that the use of marijuana is so awful.

Average deaths per year in the US:
Tobacco - 435,000
Obesity - 365,000
Alcohol - 85,000
OTC drugs such as aspirin - 7,600
Marijuana - 0

And this data is from 2000. Its probably alot higher now.

Just sayin......
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If your right about the deaths from Marijuana being 0 per year, it could be seen as a HUGE reason for keeping it illegal. I personally don't think it's any worse than alcohol.
 
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OhioVol...you will never get the point. You obviously have no idea what the hell your talking about.

By the way I do have asthma and I do use ephedrine on a daily basis. And yes...people do smoke pot for the taste. Something else you wouldnt know crap about. Please show me these "studies" that have been done showing sideeffects of secondhand mj. That literally made me laugh outloud. I cannot use comparisons of MJ versus alcohol or tobacco but you can? You say that article is biased but I guess you didn't really bother to look at the source for many of those points. Many of those sources are universities and goverement agenices but I guess those are completely biased?
 
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