Marijuana

#78
#78
dantheman617 said:
I am for MJ being legal but if your smoking and driving thats a whole other story. That is illegal and should stay that way.

I know everyone is different but I can name 25+ people that smoke daily. Of those 25 one is a bank branch manager, one is a supervisor at Blue Cross, another works in IT in large corporation. My point is this, there are many many situations, occupations, and people who flat out dont need to smoke. People dont need to smoke and drive, doctors dont need to smoke, etc. It would need to be regulated just like anything else. I could even understand if employers still tested for it. For everyone of your "bad"cases where MJ was their "gateway" drug you will find 100 more of people who it has benefited from it in someway. The biggest hurdle is going to be educating a good portion of society who thinks everyone who smokes pot is young and looks like someone from Half Baked. Its simply not true.
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This is too funny.
 
#79
#79
tim said:
Laugh all you want. I have never seen a drug spread to such a diverse population so fast. H.S. kids smoking, snorting, and shooting OC's when a couple of years ago all the kids were rolling an occasional X and smoking weed.
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Again, have you ever heard of meth???
 
#80
#80
Ohio Vol said:
Let's see here...since it's the vapor that produces the high rather than the smoke itself, it's not an entirely equivalent comparison. But then again, I've never heard of widespread hotboxing, shotgunning, spotting, or vaporizing with tobacco, yet I have for pot.

This may shock you, but I went to UT during the real heyday of the "extreme party school" days. The guys across the hall and one room down from me ended up doing time for selling heavy drugs, the guys next to them had a room like a chimney, and the ones across from them did the same. I think I know a thing or two about this.



I'm not the one trying to make a case for something. If I'm trying to make the strongest possible case for something, it needs to be able to stand on its own and simple comparisons to two legal substances can't enter into it if that's what you're going for. A case is built on one of evidence, NOT of evasion.
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I bet you're a defense attorney? Am i close?
 
#81
#81
tim said:
2 examples.

1/ 4 kids dead, all smoking pot in car accident.
2/ interviewed a chick this week, she is in jail, addicted to OC's and stated that she started smoking MJ at 14.

Now example number two may lead many of you to wonder how I draw any correlation between MJ and OC's. It's simple... She explained to me that once she opened the door and began to embrace the drug usage and it's culture she began experimenting with other drugs. She explained to me that she used MJ, Heroin, Meth, and all sorts of prescription drugs. She was confident that had she not smoked MJ at 14 she would have never used other drugs. There is no way of knowing this for sure and I know that everyone who smokes MJ does not use other illegal drugs or abuse prescription drugs. But, I firmly believe that legalizing MJ would have no positive effects.
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And thats not because of MJ, its because of her mental instability.
 
#82
#82
hmanvolfan said:
That's a hard thing to argue, dooze. Pot is so harsh and I just can't imagine anybody smoking it if not for the high.
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the better quality, the less harsh it is. similarly, the less harsh it is, the better the taste.

there wouldn't be so many variations of strands if people didn't care about taste.

obviously, the point is in fact to get high, but taste goes a long way.

there's also different types of bubs for different types of highs. growing good, quality tasting pot is actually a complicated process.
 
#83
#83
There are some people that just have an addictive personality, no matter what it is. I consider alcoholism worse than someone being a pothead. I want it legal, not because I want to smoke it legally per say, but because it would be a better way of taxation because of the price of the product itself. Also, I believe that if it were legalized, the import business would almost disappear, because they don't want to have to pay taxes and buy business licenses and what not. It's not just about legalizing it, it's about keeping out crime, and something that's legal typically doesn't have much crime associated with it.
 
#87
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tim said:
Funny.. You have no clue what I've been doing for a living the last 20 years do you.
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When you say that OC's are more dangerous and more rampant than Meth, then I would say that you have been under a rock. Not saying that OC's arent a bad thing and that they shouldnt be considered a problem, but Meth is by far the most dangerous, easily available, and most cost effective to produce than any other drug in the US right now. I would like to see some evidence from you(since you have been doing something of importance for a living for the last 20 years) that would refute that fact.
 
#88
#88
tim said:
Laugh all you want. I have never seen a drug spread to such a diverse population so fast. H.S. kids smoking, snorting, and shooting OC's when a couple of years ago all the kids were rolling an occasional X and smoking weed.
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There's two big reasons that can explain that.
1) Dismissive attitude about pharmaceuticals. Most doctors that I know have the idea that any type of condition, no matter how minor, is best addressed with prescription drugs, and if those drugs cause their own problems, then another one can be prescribed to go with it to address those problems.

2) Easy access. As a result of the attitude, there are an incredible number of people who simply have bottles of painkillers and other prescription drugs sitting around at all times. If I walked into a high school and told the entire student body that if you combine tap water with brown sugar and it produces an incredible high, half of them would try it within 24 hours. If I told them that combining Johnny Walker Blue with beluga caviar had the same effect, how many would go out of their way to try it? The inaccessibility would act as a hindrance.

Where I was last coaching, we had a situation where a kid ended up with a pretty good supply of Oxycontin. His parents were pill junkies, so he always had a supply with him. During the preseason, he was dispensing them to any player who complained of pain. If he hadn't played that year, how many kids would have ended up with OC?

Gator H8R said:
I bet you're a defense attorney? Am i close?
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Not even close. I am, however, a veteran of at least 1,000 Hall of Fame debates and therefore have developed a finely tuned sense of statistical idiocy, arguments of evasion, and other such crap that weak cases are inevitably built upon.
 
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BearCat204 said:
When you say that OC's are more dangerous and more rampant than Meth, then I would say that you have been under a rock. Not saying that OC's arent a bad thing and that they shouldnt be considered a problem, but Meth is by far the most dangerous, easily available, and most cost effective to produce than any other drug in the US right now. I would like to see some evidence from you(since you have been doing something of importance for a living for the last 20 years) that would refute that fact.
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Cost effective, I agree. OC is easily more available than meth, and its not even close. You may live in an area or have heard that meth is more abused, but I promise you OC's are what's up right now. One more example. A woman gets her prescription filled by Tri Star (more commonly referred to as Tenn Care) for free. She gets 90 pills @ 80 mg each. She sells them for 1 dollar a mg. The math on that is 7200 each script she has filled, and she'll sell out before she gets home from the pharmacy. As a side note, if you look around, check out how many "pain" clinics there are these days. And I'll give you one guess what their number one request is.
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#90
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Ohio Vol said:
Not even close. I am, however, a veteran of at least 1,000 Hall of Fame debates and therefore have developed a finely tuned sense of statistical idiocy, arguments of evasion, and other such crap that weak cases are inevitably built upon.
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Well that may have worked well for you if you werent so biased on the topic. We get your point, you hate weed and everyone involved with it. Im sure you think that if it were to be legalized, then we would turn into such a awful horrible country.
 
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#91
#91
BearCat204 said:
To say that oc is more dangerous than meth, crack, and heroin is laughable.
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Not laughable at all...

Have you ever been around anyone addicted to OC ?

They will sell their soul to get a pill.

What is someone addicted to OC's addicted to?

What is someone addicted to heroin addicted to?
 
#92
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Gator H8R said:
Well that may have worked well for you if you werent so biased on the topic. We get your point, you hate weed and everyone involved with it. Im sure you think that if it were to be legalized, then we would turn into such a awful horrible country.
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The fun thing about setting up and then pummeling a strawman is that your hands don't get sore so you can do it alllllll day.

I'd argue for making tobacco illegal long before I'd argue for the legalization of pot. There's half a million acres out there that could be put to better use than satisfying the craving of baseball teams.
 
#93
#93
Vols378 said:
Not laughable at all...

Have you ever been around anyone addicted to OC ?

They will sell their soul to get a pill.

What is someone addicted to OC's addicted to?

What is someone addicted to heroin addicted to?
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First off, no where did I say that addiction to OC is laughable, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. But, look at any fact for the nation as a whole and Meth is clearly the biggest problem drug wise in the states. The statement that OC's are worse of a problem in the states than meth is, like I said, laughable.
 
#94
#94
BearCat204 said:
First off, no where did I say that addiction to OC is laughable, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. But, look at any fact for the nation as a whole and Meth is clearly the biggest problem drug wise in the states. The statement that OC's are worse of a problem in the states than meth is, like I said, laughable.
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Thats cool, believe what you want. Meth is certainaly an awful drug. Besides this is a Mj thread that I guess I kinda hijacked.. Sorry.
 
#97
#97
Chattaben said:
There are many marijuana users that lead productive lives just as there are alcohol users that are productive citizens.
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There are also meth users that lead productive lives such as Nurse Practitioners, salesmen, etc. Do you condone it also?
 
#99
#99
tim said:
OC is short for oxycontin worst drug ever, IMO
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Oxycontin isn't even close to the worst drug ever. Most widespread and most accessible to some? Maybe. Don't call a pain reliever which some people need to even walk the worst drug ever though. It pales, by far, in comparison to drugs like meth.
 
#100
#100
I read in a recent study that Meth will lower your cholesterol 10x's more effectively than Cheerios.

Serious question, what is the benefit of marijuana?
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A new study published in Nature Reviews-Cancer provides an historic and detailed explanation about how THC and natural cannabinoids counteract cancer, but preserve normal cells.


[BOT] New Study Explains How Pot Kills Cancer Cells

The study by Manuel Guzmán of Madrid Spain found that cannabinoids, the active components of marijuana, inhibit tumor growth in laboratory animals. They do so by modulating key cell-signalling pathways, thereby inducing direct growth arrest and death of tumor cells, as well as by inhibiting the growth of blood vessels that supply the tumor.
 
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