Mark Warner: this race is about the past vs. the future

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I would still like someone to define windfall profits? At what point does one consider profits windfall profits?
 
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KB5252 said:
I would agree with as far as the economy goes but he gutted our defense.
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Gutting our defense isn't what I am getting at, he wasn't the first and won't be the last president that does that. He sold America out and made our military superiority obsolete.
 
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TennNC said:
you're way, way, way smarter than that.
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I'm looking at the bigger picture - I think both made critical foreign policy blunders that we will be dealing with for years to come. Both did relatively fine economically.
 
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TennNC said:
Text of Mark Warner's speech - MarketWatch

FWIW, for all those who think I'm obsessed with Obama and that I'm indeed Joe Biden Jr., this speech hits more dead-on with what I believe and why I'm voting the way I am than any other I've heard recently (including Obama's).

Obama's my candidate, but Warner's speech hit the nail on the head.

"Because this election isn't about liberal vs. conservative. It's not about left vs. right. It's about the future vs. the past."

Absolute meaningless campaign speak, period. The debate about better future can't be settled between the two candidates, although one will without a doubt make everyone poorer, save the current poorest. That's a rough future for me.

"You know, America has never been afraid of the future, and we shouldn't start now. If we choose the right path, every one of these challenges is also an opportunity." Wonder why Kennedy was babbling about we have nothing to fear but fear itself? Pretending there is one path to solutions makes him appear to be a mindless idiot.



"We'll start to solve global warming, and with the right policies, within 24 months, we'll be building 100 mile-per-gallon plug-in hybrid vehicles right here, with American technology and with American workers." Pretending that either of the administrations can effect this change is just more campaign tripe. The false assumption that global warming must be solved starts the rest of the silliness here. How can anyone with any sense hang their hat on this as reason to vote for a socialist? Socialism has never been worth anything in bringing about technological change. Why would this time be different?

"if you can send a job to Bangalore, India, you sure as heck can send one to Danville, Virginia and Flint, Michigan and Scranton, Pennsylvania and Peoria, Illinois. In a global economy, you shouldn't have to leave your home town to find a world-class job."

Absolute stupidity, unless we're all willing to pay more for every good and service that we buy. All modern economists would say let those who do things cheapest do them. Anything else is simply inefficiency in the system that will eventually have to be eradicated.

More big dem promises to make the average joe wealthier, healthier and wiser. What's the plan to generate jobs in Peoria? Tax the guys who'll create them more heavily? How stupid is that?
"So you give every child the tools they need to succeed. That means quality schools, access to health care, safe neighborhoods. Not just because it's the right thing to do, of course it is; but because if those kids do better, we all do better. You can be soft-hearted or hard-headed-both are going to lead you to the same place. We're all in this together."

I guess you think he has the plan for figuring this out. While utopia sounds great, somebody has to fund it and then hold someone accountable for squandering the funds (as has been the case since FDR) once said funds don't improve schools.

"it's not just the policy differences, it's the fact that this president never tapped into our greatest resource: the character and resolve of the American people. He never asked us to step up."

What about this comment excites you? It's just campaign garbage being peddled by some staff speech writer somewhere.
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See bold above.

Your guy generates a plan for all of the drivel he puts out there or comes up with something besides the cost side of the big economic equation, I'll listen. Otherwise, he's just a new age mega liberal democrat who has a chance because the preceding conservative was a bit of a train wreck. Sans W, Obama is the rockstar he is today.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
See bold above.

Your guy generates a plan for all of the drivel he puts out there or comes up with something besides the cost side of the big economic equation, I'll listen. Otherwise, he's just a new age mega liberal democrat who has a chance because the preceding conservative was a bit of a train wreck. Sans W, Obama is the rockstar he is today.
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Just out of curiosity, is there a politician that doesn't produce this typical political rhetoric? I haven't found one.

Both conventions will be filled with this garbage.
 
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MG1968 said:
BS, maybe my taxes will be lowered, but tax increases on the businesses I rely on for daily life will increase my cost of living, thus cancelling out any perceived tax decrease imposed by the Obamassiah.
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Taxes will go up as long as spending increases. Neither party has shown any restraint there....they just spend it in different places.
 
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VolByBirth said:
Just out of curiosity, is there a politician that doesn't produce this typical political rhetoric? I haven't found one.

Both conventions will be filled with this garbage.
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but Biden Jr claimed that the drivel put out there by Warner somehow best explained his position. If that's the case, there is no need to debate with him any longer, since he's smitten by typical campaign gibberish.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
but Biden Jr claimed that the drivel put out there by Warner somehow best explained his position. If that's the case, there is no need to debate with him any longer, since he's smitten by typical campaign gibberish.
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Love the Biden, Jr thing. Agreed, I was just curious if there was a politician that actually intrigued you.
 
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VolByBirth said:
Love the Biden, Jr thing. Agreed, I was just curious if there was a politician that actually intrigued you.
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I don't really have any that I would give a plug nickel for. The political environment has changed to the degree that those with real leadership capability AND the capacity to reason would never consider the position. Eisenhower took the job because he believed it was the right thing to do and that he could, with his worldwide persona, make a difference. He wouldn't consider running today, nor could he win because he wouldn't bend over for the press.

Now, I've whittled down my entire political mindset to SC justices and taxes.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't really have any that I would give a plug nickel for. The political environment has changed to the degree that those with real leadership capability AND the capacity to reason would never consider the position. Eisenhower took the job because he believed it was the right thing to do and that he could, with his worldwide persona, make a difference. He wouldn't consider running today, nor could he win because he wouldn't bend over for the press.

Now, I've whittled down my entire political mindset to SC justices and taxes.
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I have never understood the desire to be a politician except for the most egotistical people. Narcissism and politics seem to be a conflict of interest.
 
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TennNC said:
"We'll start to solve global warming, and with the right policies, within 24 months, we'll be building 100 mile-per-gallon plug-in hybrid vehicles right here, with American technology and with American workers."
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This is where you fail... first off, there is no legit proof of manmade global warming, and secondly, the arrogance of those on the left to assume that man can control the weather or reverse a natural phenomena... :crazy:
 
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