Marvel's Black Panther

#401
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Slavery didn't start with Americans, neither did racism.
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American chattel slavery did start in the Americas. As did racism based on skin color.

Its true that there have been slaves in every human society all throughout history. However, what made American chattel slavery especially insidious is for the first time in human history skin color got connected with who could or couldn't be a slave.

In Ancient Rome there were slaves of every ethnicity. It was not based on skin color or ethnicity. Thus, after a few generations nobody knew who was slave and who was master anymore.

That wasn't the case in America. By linking skin color to slavery, what America was make sure that regardless of how many generations pass, the vestiges of slavery would persist. Everyone would know who was slave and who was master because for the first time in human history it got linked to skin color.

So no my friend. You are wrong. America did create racism and slavery as we know it.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You do know you are rewriting history with this post right?

The civil war was not about slavery. It was about keeping the union together. Lincoln is famously quoted as saying he would keep the union together with or without slavery. The key was the union.

You really think millions of white northerners who held views as racist as southerners regarding black people would die if the expressed goal was to free black people from bondage?

Also you do know that nearly 100 years of sanctioned Jim Crow segregation followed the civil war? So regardless of this noble spin you are giving the civil war, the events that directly followed it contradict your point.

The civil war was no noble war to help free an oppressed people and move America forward when it came to race. It was just like every other war. It was about power and land. The United States was not gonna let the South take away half of its landmass for nothing. It was gonna keep the union together one way or another.
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"Blah blah blah. Honkies are all racist. White people have never been victims of anything, only the oppressors. The world was a utopia when brown people ruled. Killmonger's hair is totally not gay."

Without reading even 15 words of your post this is what I'm assuming you're saying.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
"Blah blah blah. Honkies are all racist. White people have never been victims of anything, only the oppressors. The world was a utopia when brown people ruled. Killmonger's hair is totally not gay."

Without reading even 15 words of your post this is what I'm assuming you're saying.
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I don't think there is anything "gay" about his hair.

Both of the Black Panther threads have become a lot of:
"Different hair than I'm used to, let me criticize it. Different names than I'm used to, let me criticize them."
 
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"Hey aunty" and "Are you done?" were two of my favorite lines in the movie. Those were probably my two favorite characters
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I said you must’ve played ball at a certain gym that is on Duke’s campus.D4H responded that he didn’t know what gym I was referring to. Which was interesting.Everybody who has ever gone to Duke or played pick up games there knows exactly what gym I was referring to. D4H seems to be an interesting guy and life is too short to be critical of people that have never done anything to me .
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I've learned to just let it go. I used to be all about calling ppl out and calling them names, etc. It doesn't help anything. And trust me, I've had plenty of opportunities lately lol..
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
American chattel slavery did start in the Americas. As did racism based on skin color.

Its true that there have been slaves in every human society all throughout history. However, what made American chattel slavery especially insidious is for the first time in human history skin color got connected with who could or couldn't be a slave.

In Ancient Rome there were slaves of every ethnicity. It was not based on skin color or ethnicity. Thus, after a few generations nobody knew who was slave and who was master anymore.

That wasn't the case in America. By linking skin color to slavery, what America was make sure that regardless of how many generations pass, the vestiges of slavery would persist. Everyone would know who was slave and who was master because for the first time in human history it got linked to skin color.

So no my friend. You are wrong. America did create racism and slavery as we know it.
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If America is so awful, then gtfo.. ur constant bashing is annoying af. U sound like a little girl.
 
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ACvol3 said:
I've learned to just let it go. I used to be all about calling ppl out and calling them names, etc. It doesn't help anything. And trust me, I've had plenty of opportunities lately lol..
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ACvol3 said:
If America is so awful, then gtfo.. ur constant bashing is annoying af. U sound like a little girl.
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
American chattel slavery did start in the Americas. As did racism based on skin color.

Its true that there have been slaves in every human society all throughout history. However, what made American chattel slavery especially insidious is for the first time in human history skin color got connected with who could or couldn't be a slave.

In Ancient Rome there were slaves of every ethnicity. It was not based on skin color or ethnicity. Thus, after a few generations nobody knew who was slave and who was master anymore.

That wasn't the case in America. By linking skin color to slavery, what America was make sure that regardless of how many generations pass, the vestiges of slavery would persist. Everyone would know who was slave and who was master because for the first time in human history it got linked to skin color.

So no my friend. You are wrong. America did create racism and slavery as we know it.
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Man I agree with your premise that the civil war wasn't about slavery (even rich peeps in the north owned slaves) but you're WAY off on slavery about racism being an American thing. Arabs started a slave trade out of Africa (no doubt skin color was an primary determining factor) pre 15th century and the Romans BRUTALIZED the Israelites as slaves for hundreds of years .. and yes, that was about RACE (skin color isn't the only determining factor of race). America as a country invented none of this, it just carried over.

Now, Lincoln did want to keep the union together but also keep in mind, he ran on a platform of being the president to end slavery with his three part plan (borrowed from JQ Adams I believe who served in Congress after his Presidential term was complete and pushed hundreds of bills to end slavery on his three part plan. He was known as a one issue congressman .. that issue was ending slavery).

HISTORY OF SLAVERY
 
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TDawg said:
Man I agree with your premise that the civil war wasn't about slavery (even rich peeps in the north owned slaves) but you're WAY off on slavery about racism being an American thing. Arabs started a slave trade out of Africa (no doubt skin color was an primary determining factor) pre 15th century and the Romans BRUTALIZED the Israelites as slaves for hundreds of years .. and yes, that was about RACE (skin color isn't the only determining factor of race). America as a country invented none of this, it just carried over.

Now, Lincoln did want to keep the union together but also keep in mind, he ran on a platform of being the president to end slavery with his three part plan (borrowed from JQ Adams I believe who served in Congress after his Presidential term was complete and pushed hundreds of bills to end slavery on his three part plan. He was known as a one issue congressman .. that issue was ending slavery).

HISTORY OF SLAVERY
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Either you're not getting my argument or you are unaware of the facts surrounding the Arab Slave Trade.

You do know the Arabs also enslaved white Europeans as well?

I know we live in a world today that is built on the ideology of white supremacy so the idea of millions of white slaves from Europe being sold to other parts of the world (including Africa) seems impossible to the white American mind but I can promise you it is true.

Here is a book on the topic: Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, The Barbary Coast, and Italy, 1500-1800 (Early Modern History: Society and Culture): R. Davis: 9781403945518: Amazon.com: Books

To the Arabs, your race didn't matter. They enslaved everyone and they treated white slaves as inhumanely as they treated black slaves. The same was true for the ancient world. The Romans and Greeks didn't treat black slaves any differently than the white slaves they captured from other ethnic groups.

What happened in America was unique. For the first time in human history skin color determined who could or could not be a slave. That is something no other human civilization ever did. And its what has created the racism we see today in the world. Sure there has always bee ethnic bias and xenophobia. But that was about ethnicity or culture. It was not about something as arbitrary as skin color. American racism created the concept of racism based on skin color.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Either you're not getting my argument or you are unaware of the facts surrounding the Arab Slave Trade.

You do know the Arabs also enslaved white Europeans as well?

I know we live in a world today that is built on the ideology of white supremacy so the idea of millions of white slaves from Europe being sold to other parts of the world (including Africa) seems impossible to the white American mind but I can promise you it is true.

Here is a book on the topic: Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, The Barbary Coast, and Italy, 1500-1800 (Early Modern History: Society and Culture): R. Davis: 9781403945518: Amazon.com: Books

To the Arabs, your race didn't matter. They enslaved everyone and they treated white slaves as inhumanely as they treated black slaves. The same was true for the ancient world. The Romans and Greeks didn't treat black slaves any differently than the white slaves they captured from other ethnic groups.

What happened in America was unique. For the first time in human history skin color determined who could or could not be a slave. That is something no other human civilization ever did. And its what has created the racism we see today in the world. Sure there has always bee ethnic bias and xenophobia. But that was about ethnicity or culture. It was not about something as arbitrary as skin color. American racism created the concept of racism based on skin color.
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I get your argument and to some level I would agree but maybe the short sightedness of one who has had little dealing with radical Islam can't see that throughout HISTORY, its been them versus the world in their own minds. So yes, IT WAS STILL ABOUT RACE. If you weren't of the muslim race, you were wrong in their eyes. Of course they would enslave Christians, Jews (nah, they would just slaughter them BECAUSE OF RACE), non-muslim blacks and anyone else they could take on. When they felt no need for those they enslaved, they murdered them. Barbary pirates did it as well taking merchant ship crews into slavery or murdering them if they didn't get a requested ransom. Slavery in any form is not unique to America.
 
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TDawg said:
I get your argument and to some level I would agree but maybe the short sightedness of one who has had little dealing with radical Islam can't see that throughout HISTORY, its been them versus the world in their own minds. So yes, IT WAS STILL ABOUT RACE. If you weren't of the muslim race, you were wrong in their eyes. Of course they would enslave Christians, Jews (nah, they would just slaughter them BECAUSE OF RACE), non-muslim blacks and anyone else they could take on. When they felt no need for those they enslaved, they murdered them. Barbary pirates did it as well taking merchant ship crews into slavery or murdering them if they didn't get a requested ransom. Slavery in any form is not unique to America.
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Muslim/Christian/Jew describes religion, not “race”
 
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TDawg said:
I get your argument and to some level I would agree but maybe the short sightedness of one who has had little dealing with radical Islam can't see that throughout HISTORY, its been them versus the world in their own minds. So yes, IT WAS STILL ABOUT RACE. If you weren't of the muslim race, you were wrong in their eyes. Of course they would enslave Christians, Jews (nah, they would just slaughter them BECAUSE OF RACE), non-muslim blacks and anyone else they could take on. When they felt no need for those they enslaved, they murdered them. Barbary pirates did it as well taking merchant ship crews into slavery or murdering them if they didn't get a requested ransom. Slavery in any form is not unique to America.
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Ok. Now you're playing semantics and creating your own definition of racism. No one would argue that other forms of human discrimination aren't bad. Anyone who has studied history knows religious conflict has killed more people and caused more devastation any sort of ethnic or racial conflict.

However, that isn't racism. Muslims going around the Ancient world wrecking havoc based on their religious beliefs is not racism. It's religious violence. Of which Christians also participated. See the Crusades.

Once again racism is a unique concept. It's tied to only how you look. It isn't connected to what language you speak. It's not connected to what religion you believe in. It's also not connected to what culture you are part of. Its purely about phenotype (aka how you look). If you have dark skin and curled/kinky hair you are black. Doesn't matter that Africa has more language and ethnic diversity than any other continent. If you have dark skin and curled/kinky hair you are BLACK.

No other point in human history was a connection between slavery and skin color made before the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. And it was with that notion that only black people could be slaves because of a perceived inferiority that modern racism as we know it was born. Before then, what language you spoke, what religion you believed, and what culture you came from mattered. After that, the difference in skin color is what became paramount in this world with regard to who was dominant and who was inferior in this world.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Ok. Now you're playing semantics and creating your own definition of racism. No one would argue that other forms of human discrimination aren't bad. Anyone who has studied history knows religious conflict has killed more people and caused more devastation any sort of ethnic or racial conflict.

However, that isn't racism. Muslims going around the Ancient world wrecking havoc based on their religious beliefs is not racism. It's religious violence. Of which Christians also participated. See the Crusades.

Once again racism is a unique concept. It's tied to only how you look. It isn't connected to what language you speak. It's not connected to what religion you believe in. It's also not connected to what culture you are part of. Its purely about phenotype (aka how you look). If you have dark skin and curled/kinky hair you are black. Doesn't matter that Africa has more language and ethnic diversity than any other continent. If you have dark skin and curled/kinky hair you are BLACK.

No other point in human history was a connection between slavery and skin color made before the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. And it was with that notion that only black people could be slaves because of a perceived inferiority that modern racism as we know it was born. Before then, what language you spoke, what religion you believed, and what culture you came from mattered. After that, the difference in skin color is what became paramount in this world with regard to who was dominant and who was inferior in this world.
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You're a moron.

The most prized slaves in the arab world were White people with red hair.

Are you adopted?
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
You're a moron.

The most prized slaves in the arab world were White people with red hair.

Are you adopted?
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I think you have greatly misunderstood my point if you think this statement contradicts anything I've said.

I never said people did not see color or differences among different humans before the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. What made American slavery unique wasn't that it was the first time people realized they looked differently from one another. Rather it was the first time skin color alone was used to elevate one group of people over another. Before the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade your skin color did not determine whether or not you were a slave. Typically people who were conquered by another in war were sold into slavery REGARDLESS OF SKIN COLOR. The Trans-Atlantic slave trade was the first time in human history where skin color was used to determine whether you were a slave or not.

You do know there were white people who worked in the field with black people during slavery? Right?

However, these whites who were also owned by the white slave master and weren't paid for their labor were not called slaves. They were called "indentured servants". Why? Because for the first time in human history, white people in the Americas did something new. They created a concept called "white supremacy". This concept raised the standing of all white people globally above all darker skin people globally. So even a white person who was working in the fields next to black people doing the same work and not getting paid, was considered too good to be called a slave like the inferior negroes. The white man was an indentured servant working off his servitude. And once he paid off that debt he would be a free man equal to any other white man. While the black man even if he earned his freedom would never be considered equal to the white man.

It was this creation of the concept of whiteness and the concept of blackness that created the modern racial paradigm we see today globally. And it was this concept of white supremacy and black inferiority that we are still dealing with to this day. No other human society did this before.
 
#424
#424
Just saw it last night. Solid movie, but I felt there were some cheesy moments. Especially the scenes with his sister. The “what are those” joke was a few years too late.

I did feel that there was just way too much CGI overall in this movie. But I enjoyed the combat.
 
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Persian Vol said:
Just saw it last night. Solid movie, but I felt there were some cheesy moments. Especially the scenes with his sister. The “what are those” joke was a few years too late.

I did feel that there was just way too much CGI overall in this movie. But I enjoyed the combat.
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Racist!
 
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