Marvin Austin to UNC?

#76
#76
I doubt Davis will be in CH long enough to string anything together. But even if he is, I'll be stunned if he can produce consistent 9 or 10 win seasons or win a championship within 3 years.

What WF did was a fluke in a terribly down year. I enjoyed it too but they won't make a habit of it.

By the same token, that's why it would take a strange alignment of the stars for UNC to win it within 3 years.
 
#77
#77
O'Brien made BC a winner though he never had the athletes his competition had. In fact, he'll have better athletes to work with this year at State than he did last year at BC where he went 10-3 and competed for the conference championship.

Prior to this year, UNC and NCSU had very similar recruiting.

We'll see but O'Brien has a much better track record for doing more with less. State's fans will also support football better than UNC's.

I doubt Davis will be in CH long enough to string anything together. But even if he is, I'll be stunned if he can produce consistent 9 or 10 win seasons or win a championship within 3 years.

What WF did was a fluke in a terribly down year. I enjoyed it too but they won't make a habit of it.

By the same token, that's why it would take a strange alignment of the stars for UNC to win it within 3 years.
i don't know how long davis will stay in ch either, but he's there now and i agree about NCSU....what i'm saying is that with what UNC already has, and what they will bring in with this class and with davis as the hc, right now, they are capable of winning 8-9 games in the ACC as it is today.

and if they build on that, which they can, there is no reason why they can't expect to be in contention for the ACC title at some point. i don't think i ever said that they would win it in three years....i don't think anyway...if i did, well, brainfart.

the pcs are all there for UNC to be good. David may be the guy that can put it together, and he's off to a good start.

none of this guaranteed....obviously....but it's a lot more likely now with him than with the previous regime. and if i'm a fan of another ACC school, i'm taking notice...esp. at places like MD, GT, Clemson, NCSU, UVA....
 
#78
#78
Someone said they'd compete for the championship within 3 years. I don't think so.

I am curious though having compared each team's last 3 classes how you figure UNC is in alot better shape than NCSU. They should definitely have the edge at QB over Joe Dailey.
 
#79
#79
Someone said they'd compete for the championship within 3 years. I don't think so.

I am curious though having compared each team's last 3 classes how you figure UNC is in alot better shape than NCSU. They should definitely have the edge at QB over Joe Dailey.
i'm basing alot of what i'm saying on the fact that UNC has several red shirts coming off this year....

they are not going to be a dominant team or anything...they will have issues...but i think they will be much better this year than last...which may mean they are 7-5 or 8-4....they only won, what 2 games last year?

Davis can build a program. he proved that at Miami. he's in a similar situation here,just not that it's a probation issue, rather an apathy issue on how that university and it's alum view football.

he starts winning, that'll change.

think of UNC football like UT bball....they got their bruce pearl.
 
#80
#80
I grew up in NC and altogether lived about half my life there. Most of my family still lives there... even the most ardent UNC fans don't get excited about Tarheel football and never have. Brown made them respectable and it was still, "Ho-hum, when is midnight madness this year?"

I'd mentioned this elsewhere but the b-ball arena is named for Dean Smith. If I understand right, keenan is named for the leader of a white supremicist insurrection over 100 years ago. His descendants became major contributors to UNC and had something to do with the building of the stadium.

I'm not sure you can say Davis built the program at Miami. There was some pretty good recent history. Their records were actually better before he arrived under Erickson (63-9, two NC's). Davis was 51-20 though you'd have to give him most of the credit for the sanctions recovery and early success of Coker. OTOH, Coker's record was even better at 60-15.

It isn't all that easy to win at BC. O'Brien made them winners. Who took a team that was really bad and in four years turned them into consistent 8-10 game winners. He had 3 losing seasons followed by 7 winning seasons after BC had 6 losing seasons in the 10 years prior to him.

Both are good coaches obviously. I just tend to favor guys who win games while looking like football coaches, while not planning their next career move, and without constantly looking for the closest available tv camera.
 
#81
#81
I grew up in NC and altogether lived about half my life there. Most of my family still lives there... even the most ardent UNC fans don't get excited about Tarheel football and never have. Brown made them respectable and it was still, "Ho-hum, when is midnight madness this year?"

I'd mentioned this elsewhere but the b-ball arena is named for Dean Smith. If I understand right, keenan is named for the leader of a white supremicist insurrection over 100 years ago. His descendants became major contributors to UNC and had something to do with the building of the stadium.

I'm not sure you can say Davis built the program at Miami. There was some pretty good recent history. Their records were actually better before he arrived under Erickson (63-9, two NC's). Davis was 51-20 though you'd have to give him most of the credit for the sanctions recovery and early success of Coker. OTOH, Coker's record was even better at 60-15.

It isn't all that easy to win at BC. O'Brien made them winners. Who took a team that was really bad and in four years turned them into consistent 8-10 game winners. He had 3 losing seasons followed by 7 winning seasons after BC had 6 losing seasons in the 10 years prior to him.

Both are good coaches obviously. I just tend to favor guys who win games while looking like football coaches, while not planning their next career move, and without constantly looking for the closest available tv camera.


I don't think you can put too much stock in that because Cokers' first 2-3 years were with Butch's players...Yes, you still have to coach them but once Butch's players graduated you saw the "U" really decline....
 
#83
#83
I grew up in NC and altogether lived about half my life there. Most of my family still lives there... even the most ardent UNC fans don't get excited about Tarheel football and never have. Brown made them respectable and it was still, "Ho-hum, when is midnight madness this year?"

I'd mentioned this elsewhere but the b-ball arena is named for Dean Smith. If I understand right, keenan is named for the leader of a white supremicist insurrection over 100 years ago. His descendants became major contributors to UNC and had something to do with the building of the stadium.

I'm not sure you can say Davis built the program at Miami. There was some pretty good recent history. Their records were actually better before he arrived under Erickson (63-9, two NC's). Davis was 51-20 though you'd have to give him most of the credit for the sanctions recovery and early success of Coker. OTOH, Coker's record was even better at 60-15.

It isn't all that easy to win at BC. O'Brien made them winners. Who took a team that was really bad and in four years turned them into consistent 8-10 game winners. He had 3 losing seasons followed by 7 winning seasons after BC had 6 losing seasons in the 10 years prior to him.

Both are good coaches obviously. I just tend to favor guys who win games while looking like football coaches, while not planning their next career move, and without constantly looking for the closest available tv camera.
i live in NC now and have for the past 8 years...and the feeling i get is much like yours. Bball is and probably always will be #1 in tar heel's minds. i don't know that that will ever change.

my only point was, you take the same mind set at a place like TN or FL, but reverse it. both are football schools, right? but both have made significant strides in bball, especially Florida, but wouldn't you say that the support for both bball programs at both of those schools is at an all time high? i don't think anyone at either shcool would trade football championships for bball championships, and that will probably never change, but bball matters now, where it didn't before.

the same could and will be said of UNC football. UNC will always be a bball school. but if they can put a winner on the feild, they'll get support. it's all there...BP called TN bball a "sleeping giant". i sort of feel the same way about the potential at UNC for football.

i'm not out to change mindsets or anything....but the ovrerall ho hum attitude about football can change. it won't take priority, but it can be put on the list. just like bball here. And whith Butch Davis, the guys they currently have and this class coming in, it's setting up for him to do just that. and the timing is good.....most of the league is down right now.

i don't think they will be a perrenial power, but when compared to the likes of GT, MD, NCSU, Clemson, UVA, WF, BC, and Duke, there is no reason why they shouldn't be able to be better than those teams on a consistent basis. the top 3 in the ACC--VT, Miami and FSU will likely in most years be the top 3 teams in the ACC. UNC is one of those teams that should be able to consistently finsih right behind them or maybe ahead of one of them in the conf. every now and then.

that's all i'm saying........UNC football can/will be relevant with what they now have in regards to current players, current recruiting class and current HC.
 
#84
#84
oh and Davis had Miami while on probation....that NT that coker won was with Davis's players. you saw what Coker was capable of whith his own players...and where's he coaching now? the NFL and Cle Browns apparently though Davis did OK enough to come to the league and coach. Coker got shown the door.

Davis is a good, no, GREAT, get for UNC.
 
#85
#85
and i do agree about NCSU...they actually care about football...they got a good coach and the talent they have should be better than UNC....

but let me ask this......how many times has NCSU beaten UNC the past couple of years with supposedly better talent?

UNC getting DAvis was the equivalent of S.C. getting Spurrier.
 
#87
#87
Still selling UNC this morning Jake :)
:p yeah, i guess i am. and i don't particularly care for UNC...but it's hard not to be a little impressed with what they've done in such a short time.

they're getting dismissed right off the bat, and probably for good reason. they haven't been good in quite some time.

just trying to give credit where credit is due....and i think UNC did a very good job with the HC hire and they had a great day yesterday. 2nd best class in the ACC, behind Miami. that does not suck imo.

and in time, if they win, the fans will get behind 'em, just like we have done with BP and the bball team.

that's all i really ever meant....oh well...they'll probably now come out and go 3-9 or something and everyone will look at me like i'm :crazy: lol.
 
#88
#88
Yeah, I understand you and agree somewhat with most of what you're saying I just didn't see the selling point for UNC for players like Austin. Butch will make them better but I don't think it will be before Austin either graduates or bolts for the NFL if he's that good. If he is that good you've got to figure that 3 years is all you are going to get out of him and 3 years is not going to be enough time for a championship I don't think. I mean this is a program that is losing games to Richmond and James Madison, that's like waaaay bad. Butch will make strides but I think he is going to find it rough going for awhile.
 
#89
#89
Yeah, I understand you and agree somewhat with most of what you're saying I just didn't see the selling point for UNC for players like Austin. Butch will make them better but I don't think it will be before Austin either graduates or bolts for the NFL if he's that good. If he is that good you've got to figure that 3 years is all you are going to get out of him and 3 years is not going to be enough time for a championship I don't think. I mean this is a program that is losing games to Richmond and James Madison, that's like waaaay bad. Butch will make strides but I think he is going to find it rough going for awhile.
i agree...and that may just be it for Ausitn. he knows he can contribute immediately, get 3 years in flat, and hit the NFL. and he gets to play for a former NFL coach that is defensive minded. not exactly a bad deal for a guy that has legit NFL prospects. and again, i don't know that championships are the immediate goal for UNC. being relevent is. just like Spurrier said when he got to USC...win more than you lose...if they do that, it's a success. cause you're right....a team that's best season was the muffler bowl in Charlotte a couple of years ago doesn't exactly have BCS aspirations. go 7-5 and you're a hero. start winning 8 games a year and shoot you can run for governor. the bar is set fairly low at UNC right now. it won't take much to get people excited, and i got to think with a coach like Davis he'll eventually have an opportunity to not only do what Brown did, but maybe even surpass it.
 
#90
#90
Jakez4ut, you're a Vols fan and a Steelers fan?
Finally, I've met another! We're a rare breed :good!:
 
#91
#91
i agree...and that may just be it for Ausitn. he knows he can contribute immediately, get 3 years in flat, and hit the NFL. and he gets to play for a former NFL coach that is defensive minded. not exactly a bad deal for a guy that has legit NFL prospects. and again, i don't know that championships are the immediate goal for UNC. being relevent is. just like Spurrier said when he got to USC...win more than you lose...if they do that, it's a success. cause you're right....a team that's best season was the muffler bowl in Charlotte a couple of years ago doesn't exactly have BCS aspirations. go 7-5 and you're a hero. start winning 8 games a year and shoot you can run for governor. the bar is set fairly low at UNC right now. it won't take much to get people excited, and i got to think with a coach like Davis he'll eventually have an opportunity to not only do what Brown did, but maybe even surpass it.

It's a win - win situation for Davis. He wins 7-8 games in a watered down ACC and he looks great. If he can't win he can say "Oh the student body doesn't care about football and basketball gets all the athletic money." He looks good either way. If UNC does have a couple of winning seasons, it is another good thing on his resume when he decides he wants to coach somewhere else.
 
#94
#94
All I have to say is WHO DEY!!!!
WE DEY!!!!

that scene last year in the Bengals locker room after the playoff win where Cowher was screaming "who dey" and the team was screaming "we dey"....

AWESOME!!!!

the bungles........anybody arrested over the weekend?:p
 
#95
#95
WE DEY!!!!

that scene last year in the Bengals locker room after the playoff win where Cowher was screaming "who dey" and the team was screaming "we dey"....

AWESOME!!!!

the bungles........anybody arrested over the weekend?:P

Sad, but it's becoming a problem.

They "We Day" stuff by Cowher was ok at the beginning but I felt it got a little out of hand when he did it at their parade after the Super Bowl. And I actually like Cowher and he is a class act but that to me showed no class....but I'm also biased being a Bengals fan...still...
 
#96
#96
Sad, but it's becoming a problem.

They "We Day" stuff by Cowher was ok at the beginning but I felt it got a little out of hand when he did it at their parade after the Super Bowl. And I actually like Cowher and he is a class act but that to me showed no class....but I'm also biased being a Bengals fan...still...
ha, ha........it was no different when Chad Johnson, who i actually like btw, kept saying that it was their division, their time is over, now it's our time.

that's kind of where the whole Cowher thing came from...plus he played and coached for the browns and coached the steelers. he probably just doesn't like the Bengals to begin with.:thumbsup:
 
#97
#97
Hah, I thought the Cowher chant was pretty funny, although I am slightly biased...yeah and I remember Chad saying something like the Steelers are equivalent to black and white t.v. and the Bengals are equivalent to more advanced color t.v., it goes both ways, eh?

Should be a good rivalry for years to come, with Big Ben and Carson taking center stage

A good rivalry...but in the long run, we know who will be the more successful bunch :p
 
#98
#98
Hah, I thought the Cowher chant was pretty funny, although I am slightly biased...yeah and I remember Chad saying something like the Steelers are equivalent to black and white t.v. and the Bengals are equivalent to more advanced color t.v., it goes both ways, eh?

Should be a good rivalry for years to come, with Big Ben and Carson taking center stage

A good rivalry...but in the long run, we know who will be the more successful bunch :p
yeah, i couldn't congratulate the bengals more on their division championship a couple of years ago. Right after, i'd just put on that SB championship hat, tell 'em congrats once again.......good job!:thumbsup:
 
#99
#99
yeah, i couldn't congratulate the bengals more on their division championship a couple of years ago. Right after, i'd just put on that SB championship hat, tell 'em congrats once again.......good job!:thumbsup:

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