Mass Shooting in Atlanta

[luthervol]

It comes from religion/ religious traditions

And religion/religious traditions are a society's written norms / morals that some choose to adopt and follow. (in an ever changing way)

 

[luthervol]

That wasn't a moral stance he just used it to justify testing other humans as livestock.

Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it moral, I will. I got spare time.

lol....we allowed our country to be led by slave owners. At the time, those founding fathers were respected and admired as wise and moral men.

 

[utvolpj]

lol....we allowed our country to be led by slave owners. At the time, those founding fathers were respected and admired as wise and moral men.

Not true. Some were but many of their actions were not known to the public. You don't have to always cancel the entire person

 

[luthervol]

Not true. Some were but many of their actions were not known to the public. You don't have to always cancel the entire person

Even the fact that some were proves my point.

 

[utvolpj]

Even the fact that some were proves my point.

No it absolutely doesn't. The morality of owning another human doesn't shift with the wind. That's an accepted norm not a moral stance

 

[Tastylicks]

And religion/religious traditions are a society's written norms / morals that some choose to adopt and follow. (in an ever changing way)

Yeah, alot of people value the wrong things, it's sad

 

[luthervol]

No it absolutely doesn't. The morality of owning another human doesn't shift with the wind

It certainly changed over thousands of years.
It even changed over the past 150 years.

 

[Tastylicks]

lol....we allowed our country to be led by slave owners. At the time, those founding fathers were respected and admired as wise and moral men.

No they were just rich men.

It's no different from then to now, they were rich politicians that some people liked and others hated

 

[utvolpj]

It certainly changed over thousands of years.
It even changed over the past 150 years.

Norms, not morals

 

[luthervol]

No they were just rich men.

It's no different from then to now, they were rich politicians that some people liked and others hated

So are you saying you agree with utvolpj that the views on the morality of slave ownership has not changed over the past 3000 years? 150 years?

 

[Tastylicks]

So are you saying you agree with utvolpj that the views on the morality of slave ownership has not changed over the past 3000 years? 150 years?

Kinda yeah, I think probably the slaves themselves thought it was plenty immoral. And the majority of the population weren't owning slaves at all so I think they probably had their doubts.

Your history is only focusing on the rich elites at the top. Just because they had poor values doesn't mean everyone else felt the same way

 

[utvolpj]

So are you saying you agree with utvolpj that the views on the morality of slave ownership has not changed over the past 3000 years? 150 years?

Were those against slavery immoral? You can't have both be moral stances

 

[C-south]

Were those against slavery immoral? You can't have both be moral stances

They were on the continuum.

 

[luthervol]

Were those against slavery immoral? You can't have both be moral stances

Not at all. Two people can have different morals and still both be moral.

 

[hog88]

Not at all. Two people can have different morals and still both be moral.

You are confused again on societal norms and personal morality. It has never been moral to own another human.

 

[luthervol]

You are confused again on societal norms and personal morality. It has never been moral to own another human.

The percentage of the population viewing it as moral changed greatly over time.

Is eating meat moral?

Is abortion moral?

Is the death penalty moral?

When is war moral, if ever?

 

[hog88]

The percentage of the population viewing it as moral changed greatly over time.

Is eating meat moral?

Because "society" judges something as moral doesn't necessarily make it so.

 

[luthervol]

Because "society" judges something as moral doesn't necessarily make it so.

Is eating meat moral?

Is abortion moral?

Is the death penalty moral?

 

[hog88]

Is eating meat moral?

Is abortion moral?

Is the death penalty moral?

Yes

Not always.

No

 

[Tastylicks]

Not at all. Two people can have different morals and still both be moral.

The word there is values. "Two people can have different values and still both be moral"

 

[luthervol]

Yes

Not always.

No

And you would say what to people who answer differently?
Their views of morality are wrong and yours are right?

Is a healthy woman choosing to abort a pregnancy at 3 months making a moral decision?

 

[hog88]

And you would say what to people who answer differently?
Their views of morality are wrong and yours are right?

Is a healthy woman choosing to abort a pregnancy at 3 months making a moral decision?

That they have different values and principles than me. Morality is personal and they have to live with the decisions they make.

No.

 

[luthervol]

That they have different values and principles than me. Morality is personal and they have to live with the decisions they make.

No.

lol.

And those views on what is moral and immoral change over time.

 

[Tastylicks]

maybe someday when we get cut off in traffic we can just pull out our guns and waste the guy who cut us off.... since morals change and all

that's a natural progression there

 

[hog88]

lol.

And those views on what is moral and immoral change over time.

Personal morality doesn't change much, social acceptance and norms change.