Massive FBI Raid on Islamic Slaughterhouse Mystifies Tiny Illinois Town

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TennTradition said:
Are Christian students being stopped from praying before their lunch? I doubt it. You don't need a club to pray. How dare we allow these Islamic students to adhere to the tenets of their faith....praying and washing!?! How could we stoop so low....
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Your talking about individuals there, praying at lunch. The Islamic students are being provided special areas inside the school for their prayers and washing. As you should know, they pray 5 times daily, so there's prayer that is being done during classroom time. Let a Christian or Jewish kid ask for this time and see what happens.

How dare we allow these Islamic students to adhere to the tenets of their faith....praying and washing!?!

Do you think they would let the Baptist students during school time to have a foot washing or the Lord's Supper? How dare we let the Christian children practice the tenets of their faith!
 
#29
#29
I never said anybody couldn't express their opinion.This is why i never post on the politics forum lol
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Your talking about individuals there, praying at lunch. The Islamic students are being provided special areas inside the school for their prayers and washing. As you should know, they pray 5 times daily, so there's prayer that is being done during classroom time. Let a Christian or Jewish kid ask for this time and see what happens.

How dare we allow these Islamic students to adhere to the tenets of their faith....praying and washing!?!

Do you think they would let the Baptist students during school time to have a foot washing or the Lord's Supper? How dare we let the Christian children practice the tenets of their faith!
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I'm going to admit that I'm not familiar with what is involved in washing in the Muslim faith...so I can't comment a lot on it. I do know that foot washing is not something Christians (or at least from my experience) are called to do daily or at certain times during the day. In fact, prayer during specific regions of time isn't something I'm familiar with in Christianity either...the closest I could come up with is prayer before a meal (thus the example I used).

I don't really care if a separate area is set up for the Muslim students or they pray on a towel they lay down in the classroom. I can see advantages of providing a different area, but if people have a problem with it, then let's do the prayers in the classroom. I don't think that class should necessarily stop for it, and that is why I think a separate area is helpful.

If a Christian can document that their faith calls for a similar devotion at specific times, then I would be right there demanding that he/she be allowed to do it.
 
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TennTradition said:
I'm going to admit that I'm not familiar with what is involved in washing in the Muslim faith...so I can't comment a lot on it. I do know that foot washing is not something Christians (or at least from my experience) are called to do daily or at certain times during the day. In fact, prayer during specific regions of time isn't something I'm familiar with in Christianity either...the closest I could come up with is prayer before a meal (thus the example I used).

I don't really care if a separate area is set up for the Muslim students or they pray on a towel they lay down in the classroom. I can see advantages of providing a different area, but if people have a problem with it, then let's do the prayers in the classroom. I don't think that class should necessarily stop for it, and that is why I think a separate area is helpful.

If a Christian can document that their faith calls for a similar devotion at specific times, then I would be right there demanding that he/she be allowed to do it.
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Well we are supposed to pray MORE than 5 times a day, The Bible tells the Christian to pray without ceasing!
 
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TennTradition said:
I'm going to admit that I'm not familiar with what is involved in washing in the Muslim faith...so I can't comment a lot on it. I do know that foot washing is not something Christians (or at least from my experience) are called to do daily or at certain times during the day. In fact, prayer during specific regions of time isn't something I'm familiar with in Christianity either...the closest I could come up with is prayer before a meal (thus the example I used).

I don't really care if a separate area is set up for the Muslim students or they pray on a towel they lay down in the classroom. I can see advantages of providing a different area, but if people have a problem with it, then let's do the prayers in the classroom. I don't think that class should necessarily stop for it, and that is why I think a separate area is helpful.

If a Christian can document that their faith calls for a similar devotion at specific times, then I would be right there demanding that he/she be allowed to do it.
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Ok that's cool man. Answer me one question though. Why did 2 planes crash into the World Trade Center buildings?

I'm just curious on what you think about it.
 
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TennTradition said:
I'm going to admit that I'm not familiar with what is involved in washing in the Muslim faith...so I can't comment a lot on it. I do know that foot washing is not something Christians (or at least from my experience) are called to do daily or at certain times during the day. In fact, prayer during specific regions of time isn't something I'm familiar with in Christianity either...the closest I could come up with is prayer before a meal (thus the example I used).

I don't really care if a separate area is set up for the Muslim students or they pray on a towel they lay down in the classroom. I can see advantages of providing a different area, but if people have a problem with it, then let's do the prayers in the classroom. I don't think that class should necessarily stop for it, and that is why I think a separate area is helpful.

If a Christian can document that their faith calls for a similar devotion at specific times, then I would be right there demanding that he/she be allowed to do it.
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the call to pray, and recitations during the prayer, would more than likely prohibit a class continuing
 
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#38
Let me break it down for ya. Muslims HATE you, you are an infidel. They want nothing more than to kill you and me. Muslims want everybody to believe in Islam period. If you believe islam is a peaceful religion the you are living in a world that is doomed.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Then "we" have a job to do then don't we?
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I don't know....I figure Jesus is a decent role model...and the Bible doesn't show him praying constantly. Otherwise, it wouldn't mention him praying at specific moments (such as in John before he is arrested...was that John?) ... to me this would imply he wasn't praying when he was doing other things, such as talking to his disciples, tearing up a temple, chilling with Mary Madge, etc. Perhaps it will suffice to try to live our life in a way that serves as a prayer to our God....
 
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vol_in_il said:
the call to pray, and recitations during the prayer, would more than likely prohibit a class continuing
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I've had Islamic office-mates who pray a couple of times during the day. There doesn't have to be a call to prayer and their prayers were quiet. It just takes up a lot of room and can be a bit distracting from the motion....but not a big deal.
 
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7thgroupvolfan said:
Let me break it down for ya. Muslims HATE you, you are an infidel. They want nothing more than to kill you and me. Muslims want everybody to believe in Islam period. If you believe islam is a peaceful religion the you are living in a world that is doomed.
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Christians want everyone to believe in Christianity. Since when is that a problem for a religion?

I know Muslims that don't hate me, so I don't sweat that too much. The poor excuses for human beings who choose to terrorize don't have the conversion of the world to Islam in their hearts, IMO...they just have a perverted world-view.
 
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TennTradition said:
I don't know....I figure Jesus is a decent role model...and the Bible doesn't show him praying constantly. Otherwise, it wouldn't mention him praying at specific moments (such as in John before he is arrested...was that John?) ... to me this would imply he wasn't praying when he was doing other things, such as talking to his disciples, tearing up a temple, chilling with Mary Madge, etc. Perhaps it will suffice to try to live our life in a way that serves as a prayer to our God....
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Jesus told the 3 to pray with Him, but they fell asleep. Jesus spoke to His disciples many times that he had "meat" that they didn't know about. He wasn't talking about the eating kind. Plus with Jesus being God in the flesh, just who was He supposed to pray to?
 
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TennTradition said:
Christians want everyone to believe in Christianity. Since when is that a problem for a religion?

I know Muslims that don't hate me, so I don't sweat that too much. The poor excuses for human beings who choose to terrorize don't have the conversion of the world to Islam in their hearts, IMO...they just have a perverted world-view.
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What does the Koran say?
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Jesus told the 3 to pray with Him, but they fell asleep. Jesus spoke to His disciples many times that he had "meat" that they didn't know about. He wasn't talking about the eating kind. Plus with Jesus being God in the flesh, just who was He supposed to pray to?
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But he did pray. Was all of that for show?
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Oldvol75 said:
Jesus told the 3 to pray with Him, but they fell asleep. Jesus spoke to His disciples many times that he had "meat" that they didn't know about. He wasn't talking about the eating kind. Plus with Jesus being God in the flesh, just who was He supposed to pray to?
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But he did pray, right? I seem to remember some verses about it...maybe not. It's a big book.
 
#48
#48
TennTradition said:
Too bad, I really wanted a lecture from YOU about MY ignorance.

BTW, my answer to your question was pure gold, if you're keeping count.
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Cause you don't want to admit that you were 12 when the towers came down. Everybody has there opinion though and you are entitled to it.
 
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7thgroupvolfan said:
What does the Koran say?
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About what?

I assume you mean about using violence. It's certainly in there...doesn't mean that it takes a perverted world view to carry it out. Do you honestly think that all Muslims buy that approach?

Some Christians at one time convinced themselves that they should do some pretty dumb things in the name of their religion. Some still do, but in far smaller numbers (blowing up abortion clinics vs. bloody crusades, for example). My hope is that the level-headed Muslims "win"...and that isn't going to happen by marginalizing them by lumping them in with the terrorists.
 
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