Massive FBI Raid on Islamic Slaughterhouse Mystifies Tiny Illinois Town

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Oldvol75 said:
He prayed for His disciples sake, example if you will. He also showed us ways to pray.

For you too, TT.
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You may be missing my point. If we are supposed to constantly pray and Jesus didn't constantly pray (as evidenced by the fact that it was noted when he did pray in the bible, for example), then I'm not going to expect other Christians to either (calling Jesus a Christian doesn't make sense, but go with me). I can get behind striving to live your life as if it were a constant prayer to God, though...that's some deep stuff.
 
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TennTradition said:
What are you talking about?
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I just saw your profile and your as old as i am. I've been in the military for almost 10 yrs bro. I've had a couple of friends and many people i know die in these wars.

Like i said, your entitled to your opinion. To me islam sucks and they want to take over the world.....which they do. So if you know some muslims that are good people that is cool, I've got no problem with that. We would'nt be in Afghanistan if muslims didn't want to kill you so much.
 
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TennTradition said:
You may be missing my point. If we are supposed to constantly pray and Jesus didn't constantly pray (as evidenced by the fact that it was noted when he did pray in the bible, for example), then I'm not going to expect other Christians to either (calling Jesus a Christian doesn't make sense, but go with me). I can get behind striving to live your life as if it were a constant prayer to God, though...that's some deep stuff.
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Let me try and explain alittle in a short statement. God The Father, God The Son, God The Holy Spirit. When Jesus was in the flesh, He was still all 3 of the above mentioned. So He was litterally praying to Himself. When He prayed openly, He prayed as an example, to God the Father, to His disciples. He showed them the example that they and we should follow. By the Bible saying that we should pray without ceasing. Perhaps that is why people cannot fully understand a relationship with God. That is our only way of communication with Him at this point and most people do not understand that in order to fully realize His grace. We have to have this communication.
 
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7thgroupvolfan said:
I just saw your profile and your as old as i am. I've been in the military for almost 10 yrs bro. I've had a couple of friends and many people i know die in these wars.

Like i said, your entitled to your opinion. To me islam sucks and they want to take over the world.....which they do. So if you know some muslims that are good people that is cool, I've got no problem with that. We would'nt be in Afghanistan if muslims didn't want to kill you so much.
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I figured we were the same age, that's why I found it odd.

I'm not making light of the threat we face. However, it is clear that I do see that threat differently than you when it comes to who presents the danger. You also clearly know the consequences of that threat better than I. However, I don't think that this fact means that you automatically understand what is behind the threat better than I do, for example.

I believe we are in Afghanistan because of some Muslims that want to kill me. I can get behind killing those guys. I believe that routing at Islam is as dumb as the Muslims that want to rout out Christianity.
 
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7thgroupvolfan said:
I just saw your profile and your as old as i am. I've been in the military for almost 10 yrs bro. I've had a couple of friends and many people i know die in these wars.

Like i said, your entitled to your opinion. To me islam sucks and they want to take over the world.....which they do. So if you know some muslims that are good people that is cool, I've got no problem with that. We would'nt be in Afghanistan if muslims didn't want to kill you so much.
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God bless you 7th and thank you for your service!!!:clapping::clapping:
 
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TennTradition said:
I figured we were the same age, that's why I found it odd.

I'm not making light of the threat we face. However, it is clear that I do see that threat differently than you when it comes to who presents the danger. You also clearly know the consequences of that threat better than I. However, I don't think that means you necessarily understand what is behind the threat, IMO.

I believe we are in Afghanistan because of some Muslims that want to kill me. I can get behind killing those guys. I believe that routing at Islam is as dumb as the Muslims that want to rout out Christianity.
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What is the the threat?
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Let me try and explain alittle in a short statement. God The Father, God The Son, God The Holy Spirit. When Jesus was in the flesh, He was still all 3 of the above mentioned. So He was litterally praying to Himself. When He prayed openly, He prayed as an example, to God the Father, to His disciples. He showed them the example that they and we should follow. By the Bible saying that we should pray without ceasing. Perhaps that is why people cannot fully understand a relationship with God. That is our only way of communication with Him at this point and most people do not understand that in order to fully realize His grace. We have to have this communication.
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If we are supposed to pray without ceasing, then why didn't Jesus give us that example. I understand the praying to himself angle...but it's an odd example to not pray without ceasing when you are showing folks what to do and then expect it from them later.

I like my interpretation of living your life as a prayer to God better, but then again I always think I'm right.
 
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TennTradition said:
I figured we were the same age, that's why I found it odd.

I'm not making light of the threat we face. However, it is clear that I do see that threat differently than you when it comes to who presents the danger. You also clearly know the consequences of that threat better than I. However, I don't think that this fact means that you automatically understand what is behind the threat better than I do, for example.

I believe we are in Afghanistan because of some Muslims that want to kill me. I can get behind killing those guys. I believe that routing at Islam is as dumb as the Muslims that want to rout out Christianity.
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Who is it then? I'll inform the president.
 
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7thgroupvolfan said:
What is the the threat?
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The threat is a loose network that includes both wacked up individuals like Bin Laden and the individuals they recruit by perverting and pimping their religion. These guys like what it means to be a man in Islam and they don't want the west messing with it. They see western intrusion in the middle east as a threat to their power, perceived sovereignty, values, and likely their religion. Because they are wacked up in the head, they declare jihad....and as Toby Keith once said, that's why we need to put a boot up their rear.
 
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TennTradition said:
If we are supposed to pray without ceasing, then why didn't Jesus give us that example. I understand the praying to himself angle...but it's an odd example to not pray without ceasing when you are showing folks what to do and then expect it from them later.

I like my interpretation of living your life as a prayer to God better, but then again I always think I'm right.
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Jesus had to teach His disciples "the way" first. And remember we do not have a minute by minute detail of daily life with Him. He only had 3 1/2 years to teach one on one. If we did not have Him teaching for this time, then all The New Testament Bible would contain would be 2 words,"Jesus Prayed". How would we have ever learned about salvation? Not to mention all the rest.
 
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TennTradition said:
The threat is a loose network that includes both wacked up individuals like Bin Laden and the individuals they recruit by perverting and pimping their religion. These guys like what it means to be a man in Islam and they don't want the west messing with it. They see western intrusion in the middle east as a threat to their power, perceived sovereignty, values, and likely their religion. Because they are wacked up in the head, they declare jihad....and as Toby Keith once said, that's why we need to put a boot up their rear.
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This is no "loose" network. This is millions of uneducated individuals that don't know what they are taught is wrong. We have to continue to disrupt these breeding grounds of ignorance and then maybe we can make some some progress.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Jesus had to teach His disciples "the way" first. And remember we do not have a minute by minute detail of daily life with Him. He only had 3 1/2 years to teach one on one. If we did not have Him teaching for this time, then all The New Testament Bible would contain would be 2 words,"Jesus Prayed". How would we have ever learned about salvation? Not to mention all the rest.
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So, it's more believable that Jesus didn't follow his own advice than it is that "praying without ceasing" doesn't necessarily mean never stop the act of praying?
 
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7thgroupvolfan said:
This is no "loose" network. This is millions of uneducated individuals that don't know what they are taught is wrong. We have to continue to disrupt these breeding grounds of ignorance and then maybe we can make some some progress.
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There is a loose network (and sometimes more formalized, I'm sure) and it takes advantage of those uneducated individuals and pushes the religion that they are taught to an unfortunate and obviously wrong extreme.
 
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TennTradition said:
So, it's more believable that Jesus didn't follow his own advice than it is that "praying without ceasing" doesn't necessarily mean never stop the act of praying?
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Again you need to look at the trinity. When Jesus prayed, He could pray no higher. Don't confuse praying on your knees or in a closet. (The Bible does mention that) A person can be in constant prayer and never say a word aloud.
 
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7thgroupvolfan said:
I'm sorry to inform you but these "Few Muslims" are more than the population of the United States.
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I said some, not few. I'm not pretending that this isn't a serious and real threat. It is obviously wrong to think that it isn't. It is equally wrong, IMO, to cast all of Islam as the enemy of America and to advocate removing it completely from our borders (or regarding all Muslims as our world-wide enemy).
 
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TennTradition said:
There is a loose network (and sometimes more formalized, I'm sure) and it takes advantage of those uneducated individuals and pushes the religion that they are taught to an unfortunate and obviously wrong extreme.
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Do you think we should invade pakistan? I do cause that's where there training. We pay them 5-6 Billion a year to do what? Nothing I think. So I say lets go in and drop J-DAMS on their training grounds. Which we have....just not enough.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Again you need to look at the trinity. When Jesus prayed, He could pray no higher. Don't confuse praying on your knees or in a closet. (The Bible does mention that) A person can be in constant prayer and never say a word aloud.
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Excellent, then we need no class disruptions for that. Unfortunately, that is not the same the Mulsims are called to do. They are not only asked to keep in constant communication by opening themselves to the spirit through silent (open) prayer ... they are asked to face in a certain direction and follow a certain protocol. The Christians can pray without ceasing throughout the class through silent connection and the Muslims can hit the floor of the classroom (or in a room that is reserved for them since that might be disruptive), as they are each called to do.
 
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TennTradition said:
There is a loose network (and sometimes more formalized, I'm sure) and it takes advantage of those uneducated individuals and pushes the religion that they are taught to an unfortunate and obviously wrong extreme.
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But you're definitely understating the tacit approval of millions upon millions of Muslims and their governments.
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TennTradition said:
I said some, not few. I'm not pretending that this isn't a serious and real threat. It is obviously wrong to think that it isn't. It is equally wrong, IMO, to cast all of Islam as the enemy of America and to advocate removing it completely from our borders (or regarding all Muslims as our world-wide enemy).
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Its funny how your talking to me differently after I mention my experience in the military. I can tell you that it is a REAL threat. There are over a billion muslims in the world. 500 million want to kill you and my family. That is no joke, that is the terrible facts.
 
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7thgroupvolfan said:
Do you think we should invade pakistan? I do cause that's where there training. We pay them 5-6 Billion a year to do what? Nothing I think. So I say lets go in and drop J-DAMS on their training grounds. Which we have....just not enough.
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I think that we have some business to do in Afghanistan, but it doesn't have all that much to do with Al-Quaeda in its current form (it is just to try to prevent an environment in the future where it could once again thrive). If we want to take out certain aspects of the leadership, it's going to have to happen in the heavily tribal-dominated regions of Pakistan. I don't see why Pakistan needs to give two craps about whether or not we go into those regions. They have zero control over that region...our presence there would in no way be a threat to their sovereignty ... they have no sovereignty there.

Do we even have to go in to drop J-DAMS? They are GPS-guided and not laser-guided, right? Do you mean go in to gain the intelligence of where we want to guide the munitions with the J-DAMS?
 
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