Maybe some of us have been looking at this all wrong...

[bleedingTNorange]

There's nothing in the board ground rules that says you have to comment in every thread. You think it's dumb. That's fine. Leave it alone. I posted what I heard from someone that knows some people. I don't really give a damn what you hear from some recruits that were told some BS by an AD that would have no reason to tell them other than what they want to know.

It's an interesting perspective you provide. You start the season saying "let it play out". Then a couple weeks ago you say you don't think Zo is a long term guy. Now you seem to delight that he might sign an extension. Weird fella you are.

You lack simple reading comprehension skills I see.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Plans in case things didn't work out the last few games. wtf plans do you think I'm talking about. Can you see more than a day in front of you? People in big business do and CM and Hart both have plans depending on what happens. They aren't children.

Would that be referred to as "contingency planning"?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Plans in case things didn't work out the last few games. wtf plans do you think I'm talking about. Can you see more than a day in front of you? People in big business do and CM and Hart both have plans depending on what happens. They aren't children.

I've said as much, but I don't think their plan includes Martin winning more games so that hart can market and sell him to a Midwest team.

Apparently I'm clueless because I don't think that's a plan hart is entertaining. Every AD has a plan, Hart has a list of football candidates if a move was made, I get that's how this works. If you recall I said weeks ago I think hart has had talks with boosters and you confirmed that. I just don't think Hart has a plan to market Martin, advise him to win more games in hopes that a Midwest team comes calling.

 

[Spartacavolus]

Would that be referred to as "contingency planning"?

there is always a kids table man. And there are always one or two older kids still sitting at it while everybody else shakes their collective heads at naivety

 

[bleedingTNorange]

there is always a kids table man. And there are always one or two older kids still sitting at it while everybody else shakes their collective heads at naivety

You're off base on this one big time. You apparently aren't reading what I'm saying, and if you are then it's not clicking.

I'm not saying Hart isn't talking with people and doesn't have plans in place....I'm saying I think it's highly unlikely that there's some plan behind the scenes with Martin and Hart to have Martin all of a sudden start winning with the sole purpose being to better his image and increase exposure so that when the seasons over Martin will leave Tennessee for a Midwest team.

 

[Spartacavolus]

I've said as much, but I don't think their plan includes Martin winning more games so that hart can market and sell him to a Midwest team.

Apparently I'm clueless because I don't think that's a plan hart is entertaining.

if mizzou beats UT and they are out of the tourney, you think CM and Hart are caught off guard and starting from scratch as to what direction they are heading? That was yesterday man. Wake the hell up.
His wins have put options on the backburner for the time being. You acting like Hart would be caught stunned and with no plan after another nit appearance is ridiculous. how the hell do you think he is in his position if he doesn't have a spreadsheet of options and plans based off what occurs.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

if mizzou beats UT and they are out of the tourney, you think CM and Hart are caught off guard and starting from scratch as to what direction they are heading? That was yesterday man. Wake the hell up.
His wins have put options on the backburner for the time being. You acting like Hart would be caught stunned and with no plan after another nit appearance is ridiculous. how the hell do you think he is in his position if he doesn't have a spreadsheet of options and plans based off what occurs.

You're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying Hart doesn't have a plan, I'm saying he doesn't have some plan that included Martin going on a 4 game winning streak to market Martin to midwest programs at seasons end.

 

[NYC Vol]

I've said as much, but I just don't think Hart has a plan to market Martin, advise him to win more games in hopes that a Midwest team comes calling.

I think business people have multiple strategies in place based on how scenarios work out. I'm not going to speak for Hart because I don't know the man but I know good business and if he was prepared to fire him if we didn't make the tourney, he had doubts in his mind about Zo being the long term coach. You don't go from thinking a coach doesn't have it to signing him to a 3 year extension based on 3 games against average to awful teams.

So original plan...don't make tourney, fire Zo. Contingency plan...make tourney, see if Zo takes another job. And based on Zo not liking Knoxville too much, I don't think Hart has to do much to make Zo find a job if someone wants him. Maybe nobody does come after Zo and we're stuck with him. But if they do, then there's a way of telling Zo he needs to replace assistants or his extension is only a year or something like that.

It's called business.

 

[Larkin]

Sparta, I know your original post is wishful thinking, I just don't see it.

Besides, how do you market a coach that can't get it together until the last 1/3 of each season at a major school? Those prospective schools you mentioned can see past the wins and losses too, just like us.

Even if Cuonzo manages to make it in the tourney (and I don't count the play in game as getting in, he would have to make the field of 64), I don't consider him to be a coach that can regularly get TN there and win games. I could be wrong, but that is my opinion based on the last 3 years.

 

[InVOLuntary]

You're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying Hart doesn't have a plan, I'm saying he doesn't have some plan that included Martin going on a 4 game winning streak to market Martin to midwest programs at seasons end.

Who's ever stated that as Hart's contingency plans?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I think business people have multiple strategies in place based on how scenarios work out. I'm not going to speak for Hart because I don't know the man but I know good business and if he was prepared to fire him if we didn't make the tourney, he had doubts in his mind about Zo being the long term coach. You don't go from thinking a coach doesn't have it to signing him to a 3 year extension based on 3 games against average to awful teams.

So original plan...don't make tourney, fire Zo. Contingency plan...make tourney, see if Zo takes another job. And based on Zo not liking Knoxville too much, I don't think Hart has to do much to make Zo find a job if someone wants him. Maybe nobody does come after Zo and we're stuck with him. But if they do, then there's a way of telling Zo he needs to replace assistants or his extension is only a year or something like that.

It's called business.

So if Martin's here next season and gets an extension?

And since you're on VQ I'm guessing you're familiar with LWS? Are you saying his info is pretty off in this instance?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Who's ever stated that as Hart's contingency plans?

Uhm the OP?

 

[NYC Vol]

You're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying Hart doesn't have a plan, I'm saying he doesn't have some plan that included Martin going on a 4 game winning streak to market Martin to midwest programs at seasons end.

Jeez, your reading comprehension is so pretty poor. I don't believe Hart's strategy is exact enough to have him win 3 games by 100 points and look great. I'm just passing along what I was told. But I do believe Hart has different options and I'm sure he knows if Zo wants to stay or not. And I've heard from multiple people that Zo doesn't want to be in Knoxville long term.

I guess we'll just see what happens.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Jeez, your reading comprehension is so pretty poor. I don't believe Hart's strategy is exact enough to have him win 3 games by 100 points and look great. I'm just passing along what I was told. But I do believe Hart has different options and I'm sure he knows if Zo wants to stay or not. And I've heard from multiple people that Zo doesn't want to be in Knoxville long term.

I guess we'll just see what happens.

I would guess if Zo didn't wanna be hear he would've left when Illinois came calling after year 1, no? Instead he said, no thanks, didn't even attempt to use them as leverage.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Uhm the OP?

The OP never said Hart's plan was to conspire to have Cuonzo win the last 4 games to make him more marketable. He said we as fans should hope he wins more games to make Hart's job of marketing Cuonzo to other teams easier. It was always my understanding that Cuonzo wasn't happy here and he wouldn't mind moving on either. So I could see some talks between Hart and Cuonzo addressing a scenario where Cuonzo took another job. Would he owe a buyout to TN? Maybe Hart would agree to waive it if so? I don't think discussions like this are out of the question.

 

[NYC Vol]

So if Martin's here next season and gets an extension?

And since you're on VQ I'm guessing you're familiar with LWS? Are you saying his info is pretty off in this instance?

If Martin's here and gets an extension then it would appear he couldn't get a decent job.

I don't know what LWS said but I would imagine there has to be talk about an extension already. I would also imagine that if there is no tourney then there is no extension even though it was talked about. I also think that Hart doesn't just offer up an extension without getting anything in return. Again, it's called business. If there is an extension, let's see what the net result is for his staff or parameters around the extension.

 

[NYC Vol]

I would guess if Zo didn't wanna be hear he would've left when Illinois came calling after year 1, no? Instead he said, no thanks, didn't even attempt to use them as leverage.

Ha ha. Yeah, Illinois came calling. I'll have some of what you're smoking.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Ha ha. Yeah, Illinois came calling. I'll have some of what you're smoking.

After you pass whatever it is you're hitting if you truly think hart and Martin are conspiring a plan to make Zo more marketable so he can leave Tennessee ASAP.

 

[Spartacavolus]

You're off base on this one big time. You apparently aren't reading what I'm saying, and if you are then it's not clicking.

I'm not saying Hart isn't talking with people and doesn't have plans in place....I'm saying I think it's highly unlikely that there's some plan behind the scenes with Martin and Hart to have Martin all of a sudden start winning with the sole purpose being to better his image and increase exposure so that when the seasons over Martin will leave Tennessee for a Midwest team.

I skim too many posts to have seen that. Was it invol who was arguing the above? Because I haven't seen it other than in jest.
Fact is CM and Hart both have thought about what may occur over the next few weeks and what their options may be from anywhere from CM winning a couple of SEC tourney games to CM losing 1 or 2 of the last 4. That's basic common sense in this situation and you want to argue about it or semantic the crap out of it.

You don't have to argue in every thread on a sunday. Please figure that out soon.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Maybe we need Zo to win a few more games in order to make himself more marketable.

I heard from a couple people that Zo wants out of Knoxville and wants to get back to the midwest. The only issue is does anyone want him? Word is that Hart is hoping we can win a little more so Zo can raise his profile so he can take another job elsewhere and Hart doesn't have to take the backlash of firing a guy after 3 years of 19-20 wins.

Where in this post does it state Hart and Cuonzo are working on his marketability? It state Hart "hopes" Cuonzo can win more games.

 

[NYC Vol]

After you pass whatever it is you're hitting if you truly think hart and Martin are conspiring a plan to make Zo more marketable so he can leave Tennessee ASAP.

Again, it's reading comprehension. Where did I say there is a plan they hatched? This is a serious question...what do you do for work? Do you negotiate? Is there any business strategy involved?

 

[InVOLuntary]

I skim too many posts to have seen that. Was it invol who was arguing the above? Because I haven't seen it other than in jest.
Fact is CM and Hart both have thought about what may occur over the next few weeks and what their options may be from anywhere from CM winning a couple of SEC tourney games to CM losing 1 or 2 of the last 4. That's basic common sense in this situation and you want to argue about it or semantic the crap out of it.

You don't have to argue in every thread on a sunday. Please figure that out soon.

Not me arguing that. He said he got that from the original OP. I having an extremely difficult time trying to figure out how he's taking that from the original post in this thread.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I skim too many posts to have seen that. Was it invol who was arguing the above? Because I haven't seen it other than in jest.
Fact is CM and Hart both have thought about what may occur over the next few weeks and what their options may be from anywhere from CM winning a couple of SEC tourney games to CM losing 1 or 2 of the last 4. That's basic common sense in this situation and you want to argue about it or semantic the crap out of it.

Once again Sparty, I'm not arguing that at all. I agree there's talks behind the scenes, everyone should realize that. As I already told you, I was saying a couple weeks ago how Hart has likely talked to boosters about what the current situation was and what they may do. A couple posters disagreed and you chimed in saying how I was correct and that Hart has had talk with people.

My issue is with the this supposed plan taking shape. That Hart has a plan to make Martin more marketable so that when then season is over, regardless of result, Zo can take a job out in the Midwest and leave Tennessee. I don't see that as being a plan taking shape behind the scenes at all, but jmo.

 

[NYC Vol]

Where in this post does it state Hart and Cuonzo are working on his marketability? It state Hart "hopes" Cuonzo can win more games.

According to bTNo it's a diabolical Dr. Evil plan "hatched" by Hart who used a time machine to go forward in time.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Again, it's reading comprehension. Where did I say there is a plan they hatched? This is a serious question...what do you do for work? Do you negotiate? Is there any business strategy involved?

Here's your post...

I heard from a couple people that Zo wants out of Knoxville and wants to get back to the midwest. The only issue is does anyone want him? Word is that Hart is hoping we can win a little more so Zo can raise his profile so he can take another job elsewhere and Hart doesn't have to take the backlash of firing a guy after 3 years of 19-20 wins.

So now you're saying it's not actually a plan the 2 have discussed, but is a plan Martin and Hart both have individually and are telling people close to them this, but not discussing between each other?