Maybe some of us have been looking at this all wrong...

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InVOLuntary said:
Not me arguing that. He said he got that from the original OP. I having an extremely difficult time trying to figure out how he's taking that from the original post in this thread.
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he does this. especially on sundays. gets in every thread and argues. 90% of the time about something that doesn't exist. Figured I'm not the only one who sees it.
 
#77
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Spartacavolus said:
he does this. especially on sundays. gets in every thread and argues. 90% of the time about something that doesn't exist. Figured I'm not the only one who sees it.
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I haven't been on here until about 2 hours ago ish, yet according to you I'm arguing in every thread?

Interesting
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
My issue is with the this supposed plan taking shape. That Hart has a plan to make Martin more marketable so that when then season is over, regardless of result, Zo can take a job out in the Midwest and leave Tennessee. I don't see that as being a plan taking shape behind the scenes at all, but jmo.
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who is saying that is the plan?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Here's your post...


So now you're saying it's not actually a plan the 2 have discussed, but is a plan Martin and Hart both have individually and are telling people close to them this, but not discussing between each other?
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I have no idea the intricacies of what is going on. I would doubt that this is something of a free flowing conversation between Hart and Zo. If that were the case then Hart would fire Zo's ass now. You never tell your boss you're looking to leave.

If Hart is looking to get rid of Zo either by firing him if they don't make the tourney or making it more attractive for him to leave, he could offer an extension without a raise or a short extension. Or he could offer an extension but under a condition that he get rid of one or two assistants or other personnel. Rob Lewis says he doesn't think Zo will do that under any circumstances.

Different ways to skin a cat.
 
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HAHA. Why wouldn't Zo want to leave? He's not liked here. But no way Purdue hires him.
 
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Could this situation play out like the Titans with Munchak?

It seemed pretty clear that the fan base was unhappy and had little faith in the head coach. (seems on par with Martin/BB fan base)

The coach has done just enough to justify keeping him if the powers that be decide to do so. (once again, very similar)

The powers that be, looking forward do not feel that long term the coach is a championship winning caliber coach. He is a nice guy, classy, represents the organization...but just doesn't seem like the one who will hoist a trophy or consistently compete at a high level. (not sure if the AD feels this way or not)

In contract negotiations for an extension the powers that be place certain stipulations on the coach (i.e. fire some assistants, make some personnel changes, etc.). As a result, the coach sees the writing on the wall and does not want to operate under those stipulations so he steps down/quits.

I may be way off base but I could see things playing out this way with Cuonzo. Although we likely would never hear these types of details in the media...it would be simply Cuonzo took another job. But I could see the behind the scenes being very similar.

Just a thought.
 
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cncchris33 said:
This thread epitomizes what the BB forum has become over the last 6 months.
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And it pleases me that we have a fanbase that won't accept mediocrity and sub par coaching. I guess Auburn might be more people's speed where nobody cares about basketball and you can get away with not being competitive.
 
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NYC Vol said:
And it pleases me that we have a fanbase that won't accept mediocrity and sub par coaching. I guess Auburn might be more people's speed where nobody cares about basketball and you can get away with not being competitive.
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I wasn't referring to the subject matter of your original post. I'm talking about the 80 or so posts that have followed it.

If you know anything about my post history, then you know I want nothing more than for this basketball program to succeed.
 
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C-town Vol said:
Could this situation play out like the Titans with Munchak?

It seemed pretty clear that the fan base was unhappy and had little faith in the head coach. (seems on par with Martin/BB fan base)

The coach has done just enough to justify keeping him if the powers that be decide to do so. (once again, very similar)

The powers that be, looking forward do not feel that long term the coach is a championship winning caliber coach. He is a nice guy, classy, represents the organization...but just doesn't seem like the one who will hoist a trophy or consistently compete at a high level. (not sure if the AD feels this way or not)

In contract negotiations for an extension the powers that be place certain stipulations on the coach (i.e. fire some assistants, make some personnel changes, etc.). As a result, the coach sees the writing on the wall and does not want to operate under those stipulations so he steps down/quits.

I may be way off base but I could see things playing out this way with Cuonzo. Although we likely would never hear these types of details in the media...it would be simply Cuonzo took another job. But I could see the behind the scenes being very similar.

Just a thought.
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I don't think the situation is quite comparable to Munchak because Munchak's "best" season was his first and he got worse his next 2 years. Martin still has the next 2 weeks to make some noise. If he doesn't, then it's more comparable.

Thing is, the biggest issue seems to be more the fanbase just doesn't like him moreso than he doesn't win, because we've already seen the sentiment grow that even if he makes the NCAAT this year, people are already saying "Yeah but we'll suck next year". However, I think the majority of UT fans just want to win, and there's a fickle part that are swayed emotionally as we win or lose.

Simply put, if (again big if) we make a run to the Sweet 16, Martin will win back over a lot of the fans that are currently not happy with him.

Now if Martin really isn't happy here, maybe he leaves anyway, but I'm not sure how much I really believe those reports.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So according to you, wanna make sure I've got this straight, Cuonzo Martin and Dave Hart are currently shopping Zo around with the agreement that Zo will take a job elsewhere when the seasons is over? And that the way the team is currently playing is because those 2 got together and decided it was a good idea, because the better they play the more teams that'll be interested?
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Yeah man these are some dumb MF's!!!!
 
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NYC Vol;9956715]Maybe we need Zo to win a few more games in order to make himself more marketable.

I heard from a couple people that Zo wants out of Knoxville and wants to get back to the midwest. The only issue is does anyone want him? Word is that Hart is hoping we can win a little more so Zo can raise his profile so he can take another job elsewhere and Hart doesn't have to take the backlash of firing a guy after 3 years of 19-20 wins.
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Also, here's the irony in this post. The only reason you would've said it is because it's true. Call it a Freudian slip, something you would blurt out while drunk or whatever, but only a deranged fanbase like we have would even be trying to get rid of a guy that's placed top 5 in the SEC for 3 years. One of those years was tied for 2nd...his first I think. Last year a 5 seed, this year a 4. There is not one fanbase in the SEC not named Kentucky or Florida that would be calling for his head based on the last 3 years. Auburn, MST, SC, BAMA, LSU...they'd probably all love to have him right now.
 
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We keep winning games by 30 points and they'll name a road after him. :)
 
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I determined a couple of weeks ago it's time to just sit back and see how the season plays out.

Despite all the high level "sources" in this thread, no one here has a freakin' clue what is going to happen with Martin and his future in Knoxville yet.

And I seriously doubt Hart or Martin do either.

A deep run into the NCAA tournament, as improbable as I think that is, will be a strong selling point for an extension OR Martin parlaying this into another job.

Either way, this program takes a step back next season from the looks of the returning players and attrition.
 
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I really would prefer they not got rid of Martin and bring in some other random mid major coach. I don't want to hire someone like Auburn's coach and have a losing record every year.
 
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PackersVols91 said:
I really would prefer they not got rid of Martin and bring in some other random mid major coach. I don't want to hire someone like Auburn's coach and have a losing record every year.
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Could very well happen. Look at SC with Frank Martin. Thought they got a daisy and here he is calling players A-holes and calling time-outs just to blister players. Jus sayin. The grass is not always greener on the other side of the hill. Never has been, never will be.
 
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