Maymon is to UT. As Noel is to UK

#51
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dovervolz said:
ky doesn't have the bench to adjust. if they had lost noel in the first game of the season they would have been one of the bottom 2 or 3 teams in the sec.
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That's just wishful thinking. UK still has enough talent without Noel to be at least middle of the pack.
 
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zansdad said:
Wiltjer and Harrow don't strike me as NBA talent right now so I don't see them with much choice in things. WCS might be projected top 10 now, but the last 6 games are going to expose him I think. After his effort vs Tennessee Saturday a team would be foolish to take him that high.
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And a team wouldn't be foolish to take Goodwin or Poythress after their performance last night. It's my pet peeve, they draft off potential and stein has it, not a lot of 7 footers who can run a 4.5 out there. As for harrow and wiltjer, I agree with you there as well...but neither one of their stock is gonna get higher than it is now.
 
#55
#55
Maymon makes Stokes a much better player, in that the two of them inside make it difficult for any team to defend. CCM had a difficult task adjusting to the absence of Maymon and has done about as well as he could. If Stokes comes back, and I believe he will, next season should be a banner year for Vol's BB.
 
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SlyStone said:
He (Stokes) is rising and getting the media attention with his stats and production, but he's another solid season away. There are still facets to his game that he needs college playing time to improve on. He and Maymon make a great duo in the post and if Maymon comes back in great form and shape this team will battle. Stokes is much like Sullinger was at OSU. But at this point he would be a late 1st round pick (no guaranteed $$$$$) to a 2nd rounder. His Junior campaign should be great and put him in the lottery.
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Very well said. Couldn't agree more. At this point, in a draft with normal depth, I don't think he gets taken. Great physical attributes but needs to develop more basketball skills, refine his game.
 
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It's hard to gauge Noel's impact simply by looking at the numbers. It's like Yadi Molina catching for the Cardinals. Numbers are good, but it's what the numbers don't say that make him a HOF catcher. When Noel is in the game, he alters shots from the backside, outside, everywhere. A couple of times I've seen someone drive in on Noel, dump the ball and he blocks the other players shot. By the second half, teams are looking for ways around him. In the same respect, Maymon's real value cannot be discerned from numbers either. He gets so many junkyard dog points, key rebounds, handles the ball like a PG (UT's PGs, anyway). He is like a universal puzzle piece. If you're missing a key piece, let Maymon do it. That's the kind of player that makes good teams great and wins a lot of championships. On a separate issue, I think Cal wanted his team beat down. After the game was a foregone conclusion, I think he decided to let them take their whoopin'. If you want to mold 18 yr. old Superboys into a championship team, you've got to break them down a little.
 
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KBVol said:
Very well said. Couldn't agree more. At this point, in a draft with normal depth, I don't think he gets taken. Great physical attributes but needs to develop more basketball skills, refine his game.
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Just checked NBADRAFT.net, and they did not have him drafted at all. That was from 2/15. Surprising he wasn't even in the 2nd round. Good for the Vols!
 
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I think he's in the 70's as a pick right now. He'd be a free agent steal. No way he goes if that's accurate prediction.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So does it not come close to evening out? Maymon scored more than Noel, and Noel blocked more shots than Maymon. IMO their importance is very similar.
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I would say Noel is clearly more important. He anchors their defense and covers the mistakes of pretty much everyone else.

But, like I said, Maymon was still a huge loss.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
And a team wouldn't be foolish to take Goodwin or Poythress after their performance last night. It's my pet peeve, they draft off potential and stein has it, not a lot of 7 footers who can run a 4.5 out there.
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It may be your pet peeve, but with UK it's usually a good idea. (See Eric Bledsoe.)
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
And a team wouldn't be foolish to take Goodwin or Poythress after their performance last night. It's my pet peeve, they draft off potential and stein has it, not a lot of 7 footers who can run a 4.5 out there. As for harrow and wiltjer, I agree with you there as well...but neither one of their stock is gonna get higher than it is now.
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I just think Stein is still new to playing basketball at this level. Wasn't his 'relatively' low ranking due to him not really focusing on basketball like most top flight recruits do? I think his attitude coupled with his lack of high level basketball playing time may cause him to drop as he is more exposed by having to play all the starter minutes now.

Poythress and Goodwin didn't play well vs UT but they have played will this season. I think those two get back on track over the last 3 weeks of the season.

I may be pleasantly surprised and Stein goes early too (I hope they all go every year personally). And the NBA never fails to dissapoint in drafting athletic guys over actually basketball players. But my gut (and it's only a hunch) says he stays.

As for Harrow and Wiltjer, yeah their stock may not get any higher but how high is it right now. But I don't see either of them projected anywhere as going in 2013.

Lastly, I think it's funny how wildly mock drafts can vary.

1 has Stein as the #10 pick
2013 Mock Draft | NBADraft.net

and another doesn't have him anywhere in the 2013 draft.
DraftExpress: Mock Draft
 
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^lamb and liggins weren't highly projected but both left early also. You never know who these kids are gonna listen to...if I had to guess I'd say harrow, Goodwin, poythress, Noel an stein leave...I think wiltjer is most likely to return.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
For every Bledsoe there's a Daniel Orton, lamb, jones etc.
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All of those players (except orton who needed time to develop) were great college players. Not everyone can make the transition.

Lamb and Liggins left because they didn't have much they could do to raise their draft stock. With the recruiting classes we get playing time is never guaranteed.
 
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LittleCat said:
All of those players (except orton who needed time to develop) were great college players. Not everyone can make the transition.

Lamb and Liggins left because they didn't have much they could do to raise their draft stock. With the recruiting classes we get playing time is never guaranteed.
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Oh I agree, that was my point basically. A lot of UK guys leave now because their stock won't get much higher, but they really aren't ready.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Oh I agree, that was my point basically. A lot of UK guys leave now because their stock won't get much higher, but they really aren't ready.
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Orton is a mystery to me. I wish he stayed in college and developed. He could have been a great 3 or 4 year guy.
 
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vols 30 said:
Just checked NBADRAFT.net, and they did not have him drafted at all. That was from 2/15. Surprising he wasn't even in the 2nd round. Good for the Vols!
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I have always thought that UT basketball players often get a lower grade than deserved, and UK basketball players often get a much higher grade than deserved, because of the name on the front of the jersey.

Guys who don't belong in the NBA at all can get drafted in the first round by entering UK as part of a Calipari class and then leaving "early."
 
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