McBee steppin' up

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calban said:
Also someone said he didn't take care of the ball.
69 minutes last 2 games. 0 TOs.
If all our guards did that we'd be winning by 30 points.
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thats another reason for his increased playing time in my opinion. we all know how much CCM wanted the turnover to get cut down, richardson really has a problem with turnovers and mcbee usually is pretty good in his decision making.

13 turnovers was definitely an improvment over the 16 we had been averaging on the road. the crazy part about yesterdays game is we really could have played much better. ccm would like turnovers to be 10 or less, uf shot too good of a fg% for ccm standards, they shot too good of a 3pt fg% by ccm standards.

when you think that we beat #7 UF at their place youd expect a flawless game, it really wasnt from our team, and that to me is a good sign. if you can win a game like that, and not be playing at your best as a team that says alot about your potential.

and stokes was a non factor really.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
thats another reason for his increased playing time in my opinion. we all know how much CCM wanted the turnover to get cut down, richardson really has a problem with turnovers and mcbee usually is pretty good in his decision making.

13 turnovers was definitely an improvment over the 16 we had been averaging on the road. the crazy part about yesterdays game is we really could have played much better. ccm would like turnovers to be 10 or less, uf shot too good of a fg% for ccm standards, they shot too good of a 3pt fg% by ccm standards.

when you think that we beat #7 UF at their place youd expect a flawless game, it really wasnt from our team, and that to me is a good sign. if you can win a game like that, and not be playing at your best as a team that says alot about your potential.

and stokes was a non factor really.
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I really think our offense can get better.
It just been in the last 3 games that they've really gotten into good ball movement and reversal.
Did you notice all the back doors and easy shots under the basket created by ball movement?
What did we beat them in the paint 36 to 12? Most of that is because they're learning how to play good motion.
Now cut down the unforced turnovers and we're really a hard out.
 
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calban said:
I really think our offense can get better.
It just been in the last 3 games that they've really gotten into good ball movement and reversal.
Did you notice all the back doors and easy shots under the basket created by ball movement?
What did we beat them in the paint 36 to 12? Most of that is because they're learning how to play good motion.
Now cut down the unforced turnovers and we're really a hard out.
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Bingo!

CCM has said that the motion offense is still in the very early stages, that they have had to concentrate on defense so much through the season the offense was just kind of put on the back burner. it appears that now the defense is to a comfortable point for ccm right now, so they are starting to work on the offensive side of the ball.

i havent seen such good ball movement and wide open looks from close to the basketball in a long time, its great to see. i really am impressed by how much this team has improved, but CCM said febuary is when you would really start to see the differences in this team, and IMO you definitely are.

3-0 in feb :)
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Bingo!

CCM has said that the motion offense is still in the very early stages, that they have had to concentrate on defense so much through the season the offense was just kind of put on the back burner. it appears that now the defense is to a comfortable point for ccm right now, so they are starting to work on the offensive side of the ball.

i havent seen such good ball movement and wide open looks from close to the basketball in a long time, its great to see. i really am impressed by how much this team has improved, but CCM said febuary is when you would really start to see the differences in this team, and IMO you definitely are.

3-0 in feb :)
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8-0 in February.
Only 5 more.
Plus 1 March 3rd.
Overly optimistic , but Shiz, I want it!
 
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calban said:
8-0 in February.
Only 5 more.
Plus 1 March 3rd.
Overly optimistic , but Shiz, I want it!
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Oh how sweet it'd be...

i dont want to jump the gun or get ahead of myself, but i would be so freaking excited to see this team dancing in march:)
 
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CCM on mcbee:

"Skylar does a good job taking what the defense gives him. He stretches the defense, he can make shots and he can get the ball insdie. With Skylar being a player they have to identify on the perimeter, our big guys can play one-on-one."
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Oh how sweet it'd be...

i dont want to jump the gun or get ahead of myself, but i would be so freaking excited to see this team dancing in march:)
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Could you image.
When we were predicted to finish 11th in conference.
 
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calban said:
Could you image.
When we were predicted to finish 11th in conference.
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in all honesty no i couldnt imagine i would freak out haha...

here's the thing though, i dont want fans showing up for the last game when were 8 in a row with a chance to be 9. they need to be in the stands for each one of these home games, this team needs all the adrenaline the fan base brings and they do feed off it.

please vol fans,

show up wed.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
thats another reason for his increased playing time in my opinion. we all know how much CCM wanted the turnover to get cut down, richardson really has a problem with turnovers and mcbee usually is pretty good in his decision making.

13 turnovers was definitely an improvment over the 16 we had been averaging on the road. the crazy part about yesterdays game is we really could have played much better. ccm would like turnovers to be 10 or less, uf shot too good of a fg% for ccm standards, they shot too good of a 3pt fg% by ccm standards.

when you think that we beat #7 UF at their place youd expect a flawless game, it really wasnt from our team, and that to me is a good sign. if you can win a game like that, and not be playing at your best as a team that says alot about your potential.

and stokes was a non factor really.
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Well, there's that and the fact that both Pearl and CCM think that he's been a whole lot better than you and Stoerners Fumble (et.al.) have thought, has earned every minute, by playing has given the Vols the best chance at winning, in CCM's eyes plays much better D than most fans realize (because he wouldn't be on the floor unless he did)and that all of the fans that think they know better and have given this kid so much hell on the boards should STFU. Just an observation, of course.
Kudos to VOL for nutting up and posting his acknowledgement.
 
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volbreaker said:
Well, there's that and the fact that both Pearl and CCM think that he's been a whole lot better than you and Stoerners Fumble (et.al.) have thought, has earned every minute, by playing has given the Vols the best chance at winning, in CCM's eyes plays much better D than most fans realize (because he wouldn't be on the floor unless he did)and that all of the fans that think they know better and have given this kid so much hell on the boards should STFU. Just an observation, of course.
Kudos to VOL for nutting up and posting his acknowledgement.
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first off if he was as good as you are saying he wouldnt have played 12 mins each of his first 2 years, be clear about that.

he is out there not because of d but because of his 3 point shooting this is absolutely clear. richardson is the better defender, but doesnt bring enough offensively. mcbee has definitely improved his defense and i am impressed by that, but dont get it twisted if he had the offensive game richardson did, josh would be playing not skylar.

in all honesty, this kid could be as good a defender as your local church league sg, and would still play. we need his shooting out there, bottom line.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
first off if he was as good as you are saying he wouldnt have played 12 mins each of his first 2 years, be clear about that.

he is out there not because of d but because of his 3 point shooting this is absolutely clear. richardson is the better defender, but doesnt bring enough offensively. mcbee has definitely improved his defense and i am impressed by that, but dont get it twisted if he had the offensive game richardson did, josh would be playing not skylar.

in all honesty, this kid could be as good a defender as your local church league sg, and would still play. we need his shooting out there, bottom line.
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If CCM thought like you and how you have posted about Skylar we would never be having this conversation. As far as being clear goes, he has played enough to be where he is now despite your opinion to the contrary(and a butt-load of others who have said the OPPOSITE of what CCM has done). Staying on the "being clear" theme, I didn't say that he was a better defender than Richardson now did I? I said "played better D than you give him credit for or he wouldn't be on the floor for CCM". No player on a CCM team will be on the floor if he is one dimensional. CCM has made that blarringly clear in word and deed. Face it, you have been consistently opposite of CCM in your many posts and yet have the balls to say that if the whole taking away a scholly and making him be a walk-on by utilizing the HOPE and other grants didn't make him happy that you would be o.k. with that(keeping him on scholly vs. pulling it).............glad you made that clear (again, staying with the clarity thingy). Shweew, glad we cleared all of this up.
Look, I know that you love the Vols just like me...maybe just a little lighter on the "who should'nt be playing, who sucks and who's an idiot" stuff would change your experience as a fan. IJS
 
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IMO, the progression of McBee, Hall, and McRae has a lot more to do with our recent success than the addition of Stokes. No knock on Jarnell -- he is going to be a BEAST, but he's young and learning. I just think that this team is starting to believe in themselves, and that speaks more to Coach Martin than a lot of people realize. We have heard all the positive remarks about him from around the country, and maybe now we are seeing why.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
IMO, the progression of McBee, Hall, and McRae has a lot more to do with our recent success than the addition of Stokes. No knock on Jarnell -- he is going to be a BEAST, but he's young and learning. I just think that this team is starting to believe in themselves, and that speaks more to Coach Martin than a lot of people realize. We have heard all the positive remarks about him from around the country, and maybe now we are seeing why.
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I sure couldn't agree any more!!! They are buying what he's been selling and that's some good stuff. I have always been pleased with the CCM hire, but it is becoming appearant that we got us a good ole Appalachian horse steal on this deal. In "Big-Time" college hoops terms, we got him for free and, very soon, people will be THROWING $$ at him. Total class/ total character. We needed us some of THAT around the Hill. The man is THE MAN.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
IMO, the progression of McBee, Hall, and McRae has a lot more to do with our recent success than the addition of Stokes., but he's young and learning No knock on Jarnell -- he is going to be a BEAST. I just think that this team is starting to believe in themselves, and that speaks more to Coach Martin than a lot of people realize. We have heard all the positive remarks about him from around the country, and maybe now we are seeing why.
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It is going to be fun to watch when the game begins to "slow down" for him. If it starts to "slow down" for him down this stretch we could be a handful by SEC tourney time. I still can't believe we scored this kid. What a win for CCM!!
 
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volbreaker said:
It is going to be fun to watch when the game begins to "slow down" for him. If it starts to "slow down" for him down this stretch we could be a handful by SEC tourney time. I still can't believe we scored this kid. What a win for CCM!!
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Here's to hoping that the recruiting floodgates open, especially in the West TN area...
 
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volbreaker said:
If CCM thought like you and how you have posted about Skylar we would never be having this conversation. As far as being clear goes, he has played enough to be where he is now despite your opinion to the contrary(and a butt-load of others who have said the OPPOSITE of what CCM has done). Staying on the "being clear" theme, I didn't say that he was a better defender than Richardson now did I? I said "played better D than you give him credit for or he wouldn't be on the floor for CCM". No player on a CCM team will be on the floor if he is one dimensional. CCM has made that blarringly clear in word and deed. Face it, you have been consistently opposite of CCM in your many posts and yet have the balls to say that if the whole taking away a scholly and making him be a walk-on by utilizing the HOPE and other grants didn't make him happy that you would be o.k. with that(keeping him on scholly vs. pulling it).............glad you made that clear (again, staying with the clarity thingy). Shweew, glad we cleared all of this up.
Look, I know that you love the Vols just like me...maybe just a little lighter on the "who should'nt be playing, who sucks and who's an idiot" stuff would change your experience as a fan. IJS
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you clearly have selective reading...

i have stated a thousand times....if skylar is shooting consistently he absolutely deserves the minutes that he gets. even if he cant guard his own shadow, which he has improved on, he should be out there if he is shooting consistently. obviously i think the way ccm does because the better he shoots the more minutes he has been getting, pretty simple correlation, even you should get that.

do you think he'd have been out there more if he shot 45% from 3 the last 2 years? yes he would have

do you think he would have played much more to start the year if he shot 45% from 3? yes he would have

the point is, it kind of came as a process of elimination, mcrae is better suited as a 3 on this team, richardson just wasnt getting it done offensively and this team really was lacking a 3 point shooter.
ANSWER: insert skylar and hope that he finds his stroke

let me summarize so you understand. i have NO PROBLEM with skylar playing 30 min/ game, as long as he busts his a$$(he always does) and he shoots a consistent 40-45% both on the road and home. if you were smart enough to go back and look, i have done nothing but compliment skylar the past 2 games and said he is deserving of every minute he is currently receiving.

so get your head out of your a$$ and realize i have owned up, and said that skylar deserves the minutes he is getting so long as he plays the way he has the last 2 games. its really not a hard concept, it goes for all our guys, thats why golden got benched he played inconsistenly. thats all i ask from skylar, is SHOOT consistently and you can play 40 damn minutes for all i really care.

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and while you're on your rant, have you figured out why ccm pulled washpun out of the game after his T? oh it must have been because he wanted to congratulate him on an intelligent late game strategy, that must have been it. not to show him that it was a dumba$$ move
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
you clearly have selective reading...

i have stated a thousand times....if skylar is shooting consistently he absolutely deserves the minutes that he gets. even if he cant guard his own shadow, which he has improved on, he should be out there if he is shooting consistently. obviously i think the way ccm does because the better he shoots the more minutes he has been getting, pretty simple correlation, even you should get that.

do you think he'd have been out there more if he shot 45% from 3 the last 2 years? yes he would have

do you think he would have played much more to start the year if he shot 45% from 3? yes he would have

the point is, it kind of came as a process of elimination, mcrae is better suited as a 3 on this team, richardson just wasnt getting it done offensively and this team really was lacking a 3 point shooter.
ANSWER: insert skylar and hope that he finds his stroke

let me summarize so you understand. i have NO PROBLEM with skylar playing 30 min/ game, as long as he busts his a$$(he always does) and he shoots a consistent 40-45% both on the road and home. if you were smart enough to go back and look, i have done nothing but compliment skylar the past 2 games and said he is deserving of every minute he is currently receiving.

so get your head out of your a$$ and realize i have owned up, and said that skylar deserves the minutes he is getting so long as he plays the way he has the last 2 games. its really not a hard concept, it goes for all our guys, thats why golden got benched he played inconsistenly. thats all i ask from skylar, is SHOOT consistently and you can play 40 damn minutes for all i really care.

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and while you're on your rant, have you figured out why ccm pulled washpun out of the game after his T? oh it must have been because he wanted to congratulate him on an intelligent late game strategy, that must have been it. not to show him that it was a dumba$$ move
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CCM pulls everyone after a T.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
you clearly have selective reading...

i have stated a thousand times....if skylar is shooting consistently he absolutely deserves the minutes that he gets. even if he cant guard his own shadow, which he has improved on, he should be out there if he is shooting consistently. obviously i think the way ccm does because the better he shoots the more minutes he has been getting, pretty simple correlation, even you should get that.

do you think he'd have been out there more if he shot 45% from 3 the last 2 years? yes he would have

do you think he would have played much more to start the year if he shot 45% from 3? yes he would have

the point is, it kind of came as a process of elimination, mcrae is better suited as a 3 on this team, richardson just wasnt getting it done offensively and this team really was lacking a 3 point shooter.
ANSWER: insert skylar and hope that he finds his stroke

let me summarize so you understand. i have NO PROBLEM with skylar playing 30 min/ game, as long as he busts his a$$(he always does) and he shoots a consistent 40-45% both on the road and home. if you were smart enough to go back and look, i have done nothing but compliment skylar the past 2 games and said he is deserving of every minute he is currently receiving.

so get your head out of your a$$ and realize i have owned up, and said that skylar deserves the minutes he is getting so long as he plays the way he has the last 2 games. its really not a hard concept, it goes for all our guys, thats why golden got benched he played inconsistenly. thats all i ask from skylar, is SHOOT consistently and you can play 40 damn minutes for all i really care.

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and while you're on your rant, have you figured out why ccm pulled washpun out of the game after his T? oh it must have been because he wanted to congratulate him on an intelligent late game strategy, that must have been it. not to show him that it was a dumba$$ move
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I tend to look at the season as a whole and look at what people have said about him, including yourself. If CCM had seen your posts and taken your advice then we wouldn't have ever HAD his production over the last two games.......dare I dig the archives? Lucky for us, CCM sees things a bit differently than you have for all but the last two games.
 
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volbreaker said:
I tend to look at the season as a whole and look at what people have said about him, including yourself. If CCM had seen your posts and taken your advice then we wouldn't have ever HAD his production over the last two games.......dare I dig the archives? Lucky for us, CCM sees things a bit differently than you have for all but the last two games.
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go ahead and dig. i have repeatedly said throughout the year IF HE DOESNT SHOOT CONSISTENTLY he doesnt contribute much to this team, and doesnt deserve big minutes.

guess what ccm agreed with me early in the year heres his minutes: averaged 16mpg the first 16 games of the year. the last 9 games 26mpg.

im not in the practices i cant tell you what he started to see from mcbee, i think it was a mix of positvie signs from mcbee, and realizing josh just wasnt bringing enough offensively so he needed some offense. he started playing skylar, the first few games minutes werent huge in the 20's, but guess what the last few games when he's been shooting consistently minutes ARE OVER 30/game.

so that goes to prove to you that im on the same page as ccm. if skylar is shooting the ball well, then he deserves major minutes. if he is not shooting the ball well, then he is not bringing a whole lot to the table, and we'll play the better defender in josh more.

that is all i have continuously said all year long, was that if skylar shoots consistently from 3 then he absolutely deserves the minutes that he gets. however; if he is shooting horribly as he was early in the year then he doesnt deserve to see major minutes. as i just showed you with the way his minutes have gone, clearly CCM feels the same way about skylar.
 
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It is my recolection that his minutes were increasing in conjunction with the rate of the number of times that you were calling for him to be benched.
 
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