McCollough cleared to play per Trey Wallace

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Their probable cause had to be based on Spencer's bloody mouth and JM's injured fist. Weak sauce.
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If no one but drunky would say anything, I guess they didn't have much choice but to arrest him. I still can't help but be skeptical that no one said anything when they started to haul him off, especially the girlfriend. But, they had time to get a unified front together. Either way someone is giving them good advice to keep their mouth shut and lawyer up.

I'm curious if he was ever actually charged with this? If so that is some nonsense and they should have gotten statements from everyone first. Dude making the accusation is beyond unreliable if he really admitted to have been drinking and was holding a bottle. I don't see how that holds up anywhere.
 
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Trey Wallace said that (according to body cam footage) when JM returned to his apartment, he was immediately placed in handcuffs, read his Miranda rights, and put in the police car. It wasn't until sometime later that the cops gave him the opportunity to make a statement. He was 100% right to not say anything at that point.

The police dropped the ball big time by believing the guy with an empty container, who was slurring his words, who admitted to breaking and entering, and who was so drunk as to not only go to the wrong apartment but to the wrong building without at least giving the other *sober* person and sober witnesses a chance to tell their side of the incident before making an arrest. The DA needs to save face and resolve this as quickly as possible. Good on JM's attorney to get this out there to put pressure on them.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Dealing with felony charges is more important than football to McCulloughs future.
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How much time do you think he is devoting to these trumped up charges at the moment outside of giving a statement to his attorney for her to file her motion?

Have you worked in criminal defense before?
 
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JCHateSteve said:
If no one but drunky would say anything, I guess they didn't have much choice but to arrest him. I still can't help but be skeptical that no one said anything when they started to haul him off, especially the girlfriend. But, they had time to get a unified front together. Either way someone is giving them good advice to keep their mouth shut and lawyer up.

I'm curious if he was ever actually charged with this? If so that is some nonsense and they should have gotten statements from everyone first. Dude making the accusation is beyond unreliable if he really admitted to have been drinking and was holding a bottle. I don't see how that holds up anywhere.
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Hard to see it any other way than he's black and didn't get a benefit of the doubt. Doubt KPD arrests a white man standing his ground.
 
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MSCE09 said:
Hard to see it any other way than he's black and didn't get a benefit of the doubt. Doubt KPD arrests a white man standing his ground.
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I've seen a white man get arrested because his x wife waited outside his apartment, so she could hit him with her car. Anyone can get arrested, for no reason at all. Best not to forget that when dealing with the cops.

Normally, I would think what you're suggesting was a distinct possibility. But, in this case the alleged victim is also black. So, either way a black man isn't getting the benefit of the doubt. There was physical evidence as well.

As I said...I can see arresting him. I can't see charging him without taking statements from eveyone.
 
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Stonewall83 said:
How much time do you think he is devoting to these trumped up charges at the moment outside of giving a statement to his attorney for her to file her motion?

Have you worked in criminal defense before?
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I have not but I do know enough to know that the program will not allow him to play until he is cleared of charges.
 
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MSCE09 said:
Hard to see it any other way than he's black and didn't get a benefit of the doubt. Doubt KPD arrests a white man standing his ground.
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Pure, unadulterated racist BS. Seriously. Unless you have ABSOLUTE PROOF that race played into this then you need to keep your racism to yourself.

He punched a guy and did as he was taught to do by not saying anything until he spoke with a lawyer. That's good advice for athletes at high profile programs because of the extra attention things like this get. Would have been the same had it been Mays or one of the white players.

The police went on the only evidence they had at the moment- the testimony of a drunk who apparently embellished the story quite a bit.
 
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andywilson001 said:
Innocent until proven guilty. If he’s cleared by the school there’s no reason he shouldn’t play.
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It seemed that way from the very start. Heupel didn't suspend him or separate him from the team. That's one of the reasons I thought those jumping to "guilty" were probably wrong.
 
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I’m just going to say it’s interesting KPD was so convinced by the statement of a drunk guy that they chose to file felony charges on McCullough. Not saying racism or anything but damn that’s just really sketchy especially if your witness is giving a statement with vodka bottle in hand.
 
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sjt18 said:
It seemed that way from the very start. Heupel didn't suspend him or separate him from the team. That's one of the reasons I thought those jumping to "guilty" were probably wrong.
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We are only recently hearing JM’s side of events, but I’m sure the coaches and lawyers knew very quickly what their defense would be, and if it had legs. There’s a process that had to play out on the University side, and also continues to play out on the legal side. Like all bureaucracies, those wheels move at a slower pace than most would like. I have no doubt that Heupel at least knew what the University would end up doing, and the lawyers had told him that they had a strong case very early on.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I’m just going to say it’s interesting KPD was so convinced by the statement of a drunk guy that they chose to file felony charges on McCullough. Not saying racism or anything but damn that’s just really sketchy especially if your witness is giving a statement with vodka bottle in hand.
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It's less to do with race and more to do with the literal hard-on KPD has, and always has had, with cracking down on students.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I’m just going to say it’s interesting KPD was so convinced by the statement of a drunk guy that they chose to file felony charges on McCullough. Not saying racism or anything but damn that’s just really sketchy especially if your witness is giving a statement with vodka bottle in hand.
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JM did what he was told- What all athletes should do if they have a run in with the police in this era. Keep your mouth shut until you have your lawyer and have spoken with the coach.

There was a day when Fulmer or Majors could call the prosecutor or police chief and "clear matters up". That doesn't work any more. There are people in the world, not excluding KNS, who live to catch athletes in some kind of drama. JM's response to this was textbook on how it has to be handled in this age of sports and media.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I’m just going to say it’s interesting KPD was so convinced by the statement of a drunk guy that they chose to file felony charges on McCullough. Not saying racism or anything but damn that’s just really sketchy especially if your witness is giving a statement with vodka bottle in hand.
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It's been said for years that KPD don't like the players.
 
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sjt18 said:
JM did what he was told- What all athletes should do if they have a run in with the police in this era. Keep your mouth shut until you have your lawyer and have spoken with the coach.

There was a day when Fulmer or Majors could call the prosecutor or police chief and "clear matters up". That doesn't work any more. There are people in the world, not excluding KNS, who live to catch athletes in some kind of drama. JM's response to this was textbook on how it has to be handled in this age of sports and media.
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I agree, and the bolded is good advice for anyone who finds themselves in a situation where others can decide they are at fault criminally.
 
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Stephen Gray said:
We are only recently hearing JM’s side of events, but I’m sure the coaches and lawyers knew very quickly what their defense would be, and if it had legs. There’s a process that had to play out on the University side, and also continues to play out on the legal side. Like all bureaucracies, those wheels move at a slower pace than most would like. I have no doubt that Heupel at least knew what the University would end up doing, and the lawyers had told him that they had a strong case very early on.
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This is much like pulling up to a sobriety check and refusing a breathalyzer. You will go to jail but eventually be cleared.

I hope he has kept up with studies. Don't know why he wouldn't but just throwing that out.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I’m just going to say it’s interesting KPD was so convinced by the statement of a drunk guy that they chose to file felony charges on McCullough. Not saying racism or anything but damn that’s just really sketchy especially if your witness is giving a statement with vodka bottle in hand.
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JM didn't make a statement and the drunk was the only one injured. What did you think was going to happen?
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Stephen Gray said:
I agree, and the bolded is good advice for anyone who finds themselves in a situation where others can decide they are at fault criminally.
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Agree and disagree. Most police are reasonable in most situations. That's not true of incidents with athletes or others who might draw media interest.

I guess everyone has to have their own gauge for when it is time to shut up. But if you have a reasonable answer for something (and you are in fact innocent) it is usually simplest to just say so.
 
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sjt18 said:
Agree and disagree. Most police are reasonable in most situations. That's not true of incidents with athletes or others who might draw media interest.

I guess everyone has to have their own gauge for when it is time to shut up. But if you have a reasonable answer for something (and you are in fact innocent) it is usually simplest to just say so.
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The correct answer as to when to shut up is when a cop is talking to you.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I'm not sure how the guy didn't get arrested. He was publicly intoxicated and admitted to breaking and entering. A door doesn't have to be locked for that charge to apply. It's a felony when the dwelling is occupied.

That was not true the last time I read the Tennessee statutes.
 
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