McCollough cleared to play per Trey Wallace

[Sudden Impact]

I'm still here... and honestly figured this would be the outcome.

That being said, I don't believe that I, at any time, said he "must" be guilty because the same thing happened to me.

What I DID say was that after the drunk dip**** left if he'd simply locked the door and gone on about his day absolutely NONE of this would have happened.

Did you not read the other account? Stated that once he was outside the apartment that he attempted to re-enter the apartment. That constitutes aggressive behavior. Nothing wrong with what JM did at that point, he is defending his territory and once he got the perpetrator out of the Apartment, the perpetrator attempted to reenter. Perpetrator was in drunken State?

 

[joevols89]

Just heard he may actually play tomorrow (despite what we were lead to believe by Heupel’s comments about waiting on the legal side to resolve aka charges being dropped). Tifwiw.

 

[65YearsAVol]

SIAP Sources: Vols' Cedric Tillman expected to play against Kentucky | wbir.com
Credit VFL2407 for posting earlier. I had to attend an elementary school basketball game. Final score, Wildcats 9, Wildcats 5. And yes, I live in Kentucky.

 

[GhostVol]

Did you not read the other account?

Why, yes.... Yes I did....

Stated that once he was outside the apartment that he attempted to re-enter the apartment.

Do you know what would have prevented that? I mean, any idea whatsoever?

LOCKING THE DOOR BEHIND THE DRUNK ***

That constitutes aggressive behavior.

Won't argue that....

Nothing wrong with what JM did at that point, he is defending his territory and once he got the perpetrator out of the Apartment, the perpetrator attempted to reenter.

Covered above, ad nauseum.....

Perpetrator was in drunken State?

So, a 6' 0" tall, 205 lb athlete, couldn't handle an unarmed, falling down drunk without throwing hands?

 

[GhostVol]

SIAP Sources: Vols' Cedric Tillman expected to play against Kentucky | wbir.com
Credit VFL2407 for posting earlier. I had to attend an elementary school basketball game. Final score, Wildcats 9, Wildcats 5. And yes, I live in Kentucky.

WAAAY off topic, but..... LOL!!

 

[midnight orange]

Why, yes.... Yes I did....



Do you know what would have prevented that? I mean, any idea whatsoever?

LOCKING THE DOOR BEHIND THE DRUNK ***



Won't argue that....



Covered above, ad nauseum.....



QUOTE="GhostVol, post: 21908797, member: 27959"]So, a 6' 0" tall, 205 lb athlete, couldn't handle an unarmed, falling down drunk without throwing hands?

Bad chess move. If you’re going to be dumb you better be tough.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

Why, yes.... Yes I did....



Do you know what would have prevented that? I mean, any idea whatsoever?

LOCKING THE DOOR BEHIND THE DRUNK ***



Won't argue that....



Covered above, ad nauseum.....



So, a 6' 0" tall, 205 lb athlete, couldn't handle an unarmed, falling down drunk without throwing hands?

If he clocked the guy breaking into his apartment at the door, I would say that was the appropriate response. In a lot of states, someone pushing back through your door can find lead in them and it is considered reasonable force.

And some drunk people are harder to reason with and control then they are when they are sober.

 

[GhostVol]

If he clocked the guy breaking into his apartment at the door, I would say that was the appropriate response. In a lot of states, someone pushing back through your door can find lead in them and it is considered reasonable force.

And some drunk people are harder to reason with and control then they are when they are sober.

And if he'd simply locked the door behind drunky??

What would have happened then?

eta: punctuation

 

[VolArmy74]

Why, yes.... Yes I did....



Do you know what would have prevented that? I mean, any idea whatsoever?

LOCKING THE DOOR BEHIND THE DRUNK ***



Won't argue that....



Covered above, ad nauseum.....



So, a 6' 0" tall, 205 lb athlete, couldn't handle an unarmed, falling down drunk without throwing hands?

Why do you continue to put the onus and responsibility for what happened on the victims of the breaking and entering and not the on the person who broke in to their apartment? A combative drunk breaks into the home of most East Tennessee residents and he should feel lucky if he only gets punched in the mouth.

 

[GhostVol]

Why do you continue to put the onus and responsibility for what happened on the victims of the breaking and entering and not the on the person who broke in to their apartment? A combative drunk breaks into the home of most East Tennessee residents and he should feel lucky if he only gets punched in the mouth.

JFC.... This isn't hard......

Once the drunk ****** was out the door if he'd simply LOCKED THE damn THING we wouldn't be arguing this!!!

Odds are, YOU wouldn't know about it.... I certainly wouldn't know about it..... JM wouldn't have missed a couple of games because of it!!

Bad decisions were made all around.... but go ahead and defend the guy that went for "swift and blinding violence" to resolve a relatively harmless issue because "reasons"......

 

[worthlesswanderer]

JFC.... This isn't hard......

Once the drunk ****** was out the door if he'd simply LOCKED THE damn THING we wouldn't be arguing this!!!

Odds are, YOU wouldn't know about it.... I certainly wouldn't know about it..... JM wouldn't have missed a couple of games because of it!!

Bad decisions were made all around.... but go ahead and defend the guy that went for "swift and blinding violence" to resolve a relatively harmless issue because "reasons"......

 

[GhostVol]

I'm afraid I've missed your point...... you're a fan of slapstick humor?

 

[VolArmy74]

JFC.... This isn't hard......

Once the drunk ****** was out the door if he'd simply LOCKED THE damn THING we wouldn't be arguing this!!!

Odds are, YOU wouldn't know about it.... I certainly wouldn't know about it..... JM wouldn't have missed a couple of games because of it!!

Bad decisions were made all around.... but go ahead and defend the guy that went for "swift and blinding violence" to resolve a relatively harmless issue because "reasons"......

You keep putting it on McCullough to have to do something. He and his roommates were the victim here. Not the drunken home invader. The statement released today said McCullough walked him out the front door where he became belligerent and began trying to get back inside. That all this happened within 2 feet of the doorway. How do you know McCullough felt he could get back inside and get the door locked without the home invader attacking him from behind. The report telling his side says McCullough feared for his safety and punched him at that point. This is all 100 percent the fault of the drunken home invader.

 

[GhostVol]

You keep putting it on McCullough to have to do something. He and his roommates were the victim here. Not the drunken home invader. The statement released today said McCullough walked him out the front door where he became belligerent and began trying to get back inside. That all this happened within 2 feet of the doorway. How do you know McCullough felt he could get back inside and get the door locked without the home invader attacking him from behind. The report telling his side says McCullough feared for his safety and punched him at that point. This is all 100 percent the fault of the drunken home invader.

I'm not defending the drunk dip**** but don't you think JM could've handled things a bit differently?

Just because you can "whoop some dude's ***" means you get to?

Let **** go, once in a while.... drunk **** messed up. Established.

Maybe be the "bigger guy" than re-arrange some clown's face?

 

[Jxn Vol]

Lots oh hindsight 20/20 going on here. And some folks will literally argue about anything.

Glad we are getting our player back. Go Vols.

 

[VolArmy74]

I'm not defending the drunk dip**** but don't you think JM could've handled things a bit differently?

Just because you can "whoop some dude's ***" means you get to?

Let **** go, once in a while.... drunk **** messed up. Established.

Maybe be the "bigger guy" than re-arrange some clown's face?

When someone illegally enters your home, I've no issue with how you choose to handle it. Even more so when said someone refuses to leave when asked and it takes a physical confrontation to get them to move.

You are clearly victim blaming here. I don't know why. McCullough has said he felt threatened and feared for his safety and that of his girlfriend. You're acting like he was jumping people and punching them out for fun. No, he was in a high stress situation, with someone he'd never met, who broke into his home and refused to leave when asked. Someone who was altered and apparently according to multiple witnesses, acting belligerent. So no, I'd have no problem with McCullough defending himself, his girlfriend and his property by any means he felt necessary.

 

[Stephen Gray]

I'm not defending the drunk dip**** but don't you think JM could've handled things a bit differently?

Just because you can "whoop some dude's ***" means you get to?

Let **** go, once in a while.... drunk **** messed up. Established.

Maybe be the "bigger guy" than re-arrange some clown's face?

We don’t know what really happened but a belligerent drunk who keeps trying to get into your residence where people you care about feel uncomfortable and unsafe isn’t something that locking the door will necessarily solve.

This isn’t exactly the same circumstance, but here’s an example of someone continually trying to get inside of someone’s residence who refuses to give up:

 

[VolFreakJosh]

People who are drunk out of their damn mind are unpredictable.

You never know what action they might take. Why take a chance?

McCollough gave the drunk dude a chance to leave but he kept refusing. He had it coming.

 

[GhostVol]

When someone illegally enters your home, I've no issue with how you choose to handle it. Even more so when said someone refuses to leave when asked and it takes a physical confrontation to get them to move.

You are clearly victim blaming here. I don't know why. McCullough has said he felt threatened and feared for his safety and that of his girlfriend. You're acting like he was jumping people and punching them out for fun. No, he was in a high stress situation, with someone he'd never met, who broke into his home and refused to leave when asked. Someone who was altered and apparently according to multiple witnesses, acting belligerent. So no, I'd have no problem with McCullough defending himself, his girlfriend and his property by any means he felt necessary.

From the press release.....

"Eventually, Mr. Spencer backed up enough to clear the door frame, at which point Mr. McCullough was able to close the front door and keep Ms. Castlin safe inside the apartment"

At that point why not lock the door?? End. Of. Discussion.

 

[VolArmy74]

From the press release.....

"Eventually, Mr. Spencer backed up enough to clear the door frame, at which point Mr. McCullough was able to close the front door and keep Ms. Castlin safe inside the apartment"

At that point why not lock the door?? End. Of. Discussion.

McCullough was out with him at that point. He had to walk the home invader out and was able to close the door behind him. In order to leave the situation at that point McCullough had two choices, turn his back on the home invader who was trying to force his way back in or defend himself. He chose to defend himself.

Now go find some other victims and tell them they shouldn't have been in that alley in the dark or they shouldn't have worn that dress out in public.

 

[GhostVol]

McCullough was out with him at that point. He had to walk the home invader out and was able to close the door behind him. In order to leave the situation at that point McCullough had two choices, turn his back on the home invader who was trying to force his way back in or defend himself. He chose to defend himself.

Now go find some other victims and tell them they shouldn't have been in that alley in the dark or they shouldn't have worn that dress out in public.

Why follow drunk out? Drunk "has left the building" why did JM follow? Threat is abated at that point, no?

 

[GhostVol]

Why follow drunk out? Drunk "has left the building" why did JM follow? Threat is abated at that point, no?

McCullough was out with him at that point. He had to walk the home invader out and was able to close the door behind him. In order to leave the situation at that point McCullough had two choices, turn his back on the home invader who was trying to force his way back in or defend himself. He chose to defend himself.

Now go find some other victims and tell them they shouldn't have been in that alley in the dark or they shouldn't have worn that dress out in public.

Or he could have locked the f***** door..... but he chose to "whoop ***"

 

[Dadof2Vols]

When someone illegally enters your home, I've no issue with how you choose to handle it. Even more so when said someone refuses to leave when asked and it takes a physical confrontation to get them to move.

You are clearly victim blaming here. I don't know why. McCullough has said he felt threatened and feared for his safety and that of his girlfriend. You're acting like he was jumping people and punching them out for fun. No, he was in a high stress situation, with someone he'd never met, who broke into his home and refused to leave when asked. Someone who was altered and apparently according to multiple witnesses, acting belligerent. So no, I'd have no problem with McCullough defending himself, his girlfriend and his property by any means he felt necessary.

Wonder how much adrenaline JM had pumping when he continually tried to defuse by getting guy to leave and the aggressor kept escalating to get back in?

 

[VolArmy74]

Why follow drunk out? Drunk "has left the building" why did JM follow? Threat is abated at that point, no?

You keep seeing things in the most favorable light to the home invader. The actual criminal in the matter, according to everyone there besides the criminal, refused to move until McCullough approached him. I picture it as a drunk at a bar refusing to move until bouncers come for him. McCullough had to escort him out and I wouldn't have found a bit of fault had he escorted him out of the building. But the invader apparently refused to go any further and actually tried to get back into McCullough's apartment. That earned him some justified self defense.

 

[GhostVol]

We don’t know what really happened but a belligerent drunk who keeps trying to get into your residence where people you care about feel uncomfortable and unsafe isn’t something that locking the door will necessarily solve.

This isn’t exactly the same circumstance, but here’s an example of someone continually trying to get inside of someone’s residence who refuses to give up:

Yeah..., and that's what happened here.....

apples, oranges, peaches, strawberrys, and birds.....