Medical Treatment Options (The off-season Friday night completely off topic thread)

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MedicT said:
Why do you feel the need to defend drug use if it is not a problem? One other quick question. Why is it that so many individuals arrested for violent crime and/or hard core drug arrests are also found in posession of or under the influence of pot?
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Because testing for marijuana is currently a farce. It can stay in your system for 30 days. You can argue the same argument your making against alcohol just the same but you are blatantly avoiding it. I wanna defend innocent people from being deemed criminals, that's what I'm defending. If your gonna be too lazy to hear the other side of the argument or do just the minimal about of research, then you do not need to speak so strongly to demonize the drug and the people who partake. Quick to judge, ignorance on the subject, and yet you are so adamant that it is something detrimental to society. If you want to take such a strong stance, be informed on the subject matter.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Because testing for marijuana is currently a farce. It can stay in your system for 30 days. You can argue the same argument your making against alcohol just the same but you are blatantly avoiding it. I wanna defend innocent people from being deemed criminals, that's what I'm defending. If your gonna be too lazy to hear the other side of the argument or do just the minimal about of research, then you do not need to speak so strongly to demonize the drug and the people who partake. Quick to judge, ignorance on the subject, and yet you are so adamant that it is something detrimental to society. If you want to take such a strong stance, be informed on the subject matter.
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LOL......keep on kidding yourself....pot WILL help you with that.
 
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MedicT said:
LOL......keep on kidding yourself....pot WILL help you with that.
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I don't even smoke pot jackass lol. I have a job that tests quarterly. You haven't offered a quality response and now your turning to personal insults. Thanks for your informative input.
 
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MedicT said:
The question always boils down to whether it is a type of person who would use recreational drugs that actually cause a problem or the drug use itself. That is the typical foolish argument of a drug user. Look at this thread as an example. Not a single contributor has attempted to "tell" anyone to stop using drugs and yet so many are so quickly on the defensive. That alone tells you there is a problem.
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This thread was about the medicinal value of marijuana. But how does one know that somebody using marijuana in a recreational manner is not treating an underlying condition. We could also compare deaths associated to marijuana overdoses? Just saying Willie Nelson is a wonderful example.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
I don't even smoke pot jackass lol. I have a job that tests quarterly. You haven't offered a quality response and now your turning to personal insults. Thanks for your informative input.
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This is why it is so silly to have such a discussion on an internet chat board. Most of the time the immaturity of the pot proponents shows up and devolves into a post such as yours. Pot possession is illegal and that is good enough for me. If you wanna be a drug user have at it.
 
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MedicT said:
This is why it is so silly to have such a discussion on an internet chat board. Most of the time the immaturity of the pot proponents shows up and devolves into a post such as yours. Pot posession is illegal and that is good enough for me. If you wanna be a drug user have at it.
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What? My posts have been immature? Care to detail? And your comments to me? If you reread our entire conversation come away with I'm being immature but you're snarky "you're on drugs, that's why your philosophies only make sense to you" comments aren't? You have brought absolutely zero substance to your side of the argument. I've been trying to spark informative debate from you but you won't even compose a logical response. Like I said, I'm not even a user. If it were legal, I would be and I know I would drink a lot less. Mainly because I've haven't something completely stupid that I regret back when I did smoke, but alcohol on the other hand, will most definitely lead to more poor decisions and behaviors. Instead of trying to find a way to twist this into "you only want it legal so you can have it" please offer us some information as to why you such a proponent of the prohibition of marijuana.
 
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MedicT said:
Why do you feel the need to defend drug use if it is not a problem? One other quick question. Why is it that so many individuals arrested for violent crime and/or hard core drug arrests are also found in posession of or under the influence of pot?
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Link? Or did you just make that up too?
 
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If you decide to Google Endocannabinoids and traumatic brain injury you will find articles published by the NIH. Keep in mind that studies are limited do to the fact of marijuana being a schedule 1 drug. Imagine what would or could happen if it was placed in a different schedule? This is also just information regarding traumatic brain injury with facts and proven studies. Here is a nice link too

Medicine- Cannabis and Brain Trauma | The Compassion Chronicles
 
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rob22278 said:
If you decide to Google Endocannabinoids and traumatic brain injury you will find articles published by the NIH. Keep in mind that studies are limited do to the fact of marijuana being a schedule 1 drug. Imagine what would or could happen if it was placed in a different schedule? This is also just information regarding traumatic brain injury with facts and proven studies. Here is a nice link too

Medicine- Cannabis and Brain Trauma | The Compassion Chronicles
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It's sad that there hasn't even been any quality research on number of fronts because of the absurd scheduling. Thanks to the war on drugs die hards, we now have meth and prescription drugs out the wazoo
 
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I am associated with helping veterans who have suffered with TBI’s as well as the common spine and spinal cord injuries that many deal with on a daily basis. My function is as a role model who has dealt with this injury and was able to have a successful life after the accident.

A couple of years ago in a group discussion a vet brought up the subject of medical use for his conditions. At that time he was on Prozac, pain meds, muscles relaxers, and a nerve pill as well. He was having problems with spasticity (involuntary body movements) and the doctor wanted to put him on an anti-seizure med for this issue. His comment; I have done the research and why would I want to take a man made chemical for my brain when there is a natural product that provides the same benefits?

He went on to talk about the difference between CBD’s (the medicine) and THC (what gets you high) in pot and that he was going to try a CBD product for his condition. This is what many states have passed as legal use to help children with certain types of seizures. Tennessee has passed this type of law.

In our next group meeting he reported that within 3 days of starting this type of treatment his spasticity had reduced from several bouts a day to 1 or 2 events daily. As time passed he reported that this issue was reduced on average to a single event monthly. He also reported that he was no longer taking any meds and that his quality of life had greatly improved.

This is not a random story as I hear this from many of our vets who are trying to deal with their new life and were not happy with how they felt on traditional meds.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
It's sad that there hasn't even been any quality research on number of fronts because of the absurd scheduling. Thanks to the war on drugs die hards, we now have meth and prescription drugs out the wazoo
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Yes it is sad even methamphetamine is not a schedule 1. How do we have 33 states with some form of a medical marijuana laws but yet the federal government still refuses to move it from schedule 1.
 
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MedicT said:
Unfortunately, you can count on pot users to want their narcotics in addition to their pot instead of as an alternative.
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Ummmm...I'm what you'd call a "pot user" and I've never even considered trying another drug. I've also never been to jail. I'm also a small business owner with a family and we live a very, very comfortable life. I don't smoke as often as most users. Probably only 2 or 3 times a week, but a user none the less.

I think you should reevaluate the situation before spewing your Nancy Grace opinions to the world. I see plenty of people buying beer and liquor to take to UT tailgates....are we all alcoholics?
 
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VolAllen said:
Ummmm...I'm what you'd call a "pot user" and I've never even considered trying another drug. I've also never been to jail. I'm also a small business owner with a family and we live a very, very comfortable life. I don't smoke as often as most users. Probably only 2 or 3 times a week, but a user none the less.

I think you should reevaluate the situation before spewing your Nancy Grace opinions to the world. I see plenty of people buying beer and liquor to take to UT tailgates....are we all alcoholics?
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A family? How do you feel about sending the message to your kids that it's ok to break the law?
 
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fade route said:
A family? How do you feel about sending the message to your kids that it's ok to break the law?
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My "family" is a wife and a dog. The dog doesn't smoke, and it's not illegal in all states...

Anyone that doesn't recognize this as modern day prohibition is ignorant. It's obviously going to become legal in every state eventually. It's just a matter of time.
 
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VolAllen said:
Ummmm...I'm what you'd call a "pot user" and I've never even considered trying another drug. I've also never been to jail. I'm also a small business owner with a family and we live a very, very comfortable life. I don't smoke as often as most users. Probably only 2 or 3 times a week, but a user none the less.

I think you should reevaluate the situation before spewing your Nancy Grace opinions to the world. I see plenty of people buying beer and liquors to take to UT tailgates....are we all alcoholics?
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We all make our choices. Many who have made the same choice to be a drug user have lost it all because of it. Personally, I've worked too hard to risk it on such juvenile behavior as smoking pot. Good luck.
 
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VolAllen said:
My "family" is a wife and a dog. The dog doesn't smoke. And it's not illegal in all states...

Anyone that doesn't recognize this as modern day prohibition is ignorant. It's obviously going to become legal in every state eventually. It's just a matter of time.
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The question is it currently legal in South Carolina? If not there is a real risk of getting arrested and having a drug charge on your record.
 
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MedicT said:
We all make our choices. Many who have made the same choice to be a drug user have lost it all because of it. Personally, I've worked too hard to risk it on such juvenile behavior as smoking pot. Good luck.
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It shouldn't be the governments decision on how to live our lives. Just because it isn't what you prefer doesn't mean it should be outlawed


Edit: you still haven't contributed any information, you just butt in when you see the opportunity to tell some one they're living life the wrong way. You go silent when I try to spark informative conversation but return if you see an opportunity to be condescending
 
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MedicT said:
We all make our choices. Many who have made the same choice to be a drug user have lost it all because of it. Personally, I've worked too hard to risk it on such juvenile behavior as smoking pot. Good luck.
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So do you drink? Do you have a beer or a glass of wine when you go to Carrabbas? Because driving home from dinner after a couple of drinks is far more dangerous than taking a hit from a bowl with a little bit of weed in it. Now please understand, I'm not the guy with Bob Marley posters on the wall and rasta stickers on my car. I'm a guy wearing Polo or a Vols shirt, driving a BMW, and running a business. That little puff of green that grows from the ground just helps keep things in perspective.
 
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MedicT said:
We all make our choices. Many who have made the same choice to be a drug user have lost it all because of it. Personally, I've worked too hard to risk it on such juvenile behavior as smoking pot. Good luck.
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That "juvenile" behavior has been going on for thousands of years. It will continue long after our little blip in time is over.

Smoking pot isn't the risk. Our government using petty drug laws to make money. That is why you are at risk when you smoke a natural plant.
 
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VolAllen said:
I have a few police friends, so no worries.
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I know of at least three cops in my town that I have smoked with once upon time. It's more socially acceptable now than has been since it's prohibition. It's only a matter of time. All the doomsday naysayers in Colorado have been feasting on crow and now look like loons, don't get me wrong, there are still several out there clinging on to everything negative they possibly can. I believe we are fixing to see a shift to a more libertarian-ish movement through American politics. Especially with how the current federal government has over stepped their boundaries and lost the trust of the American people.
 
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#VFL__ said:
That "juvenile" behavior has been going on for thousands of years. It will continue long after our little blip in time is over.

Smoking pot isn't the risk. Our government using petty drug laws to make money, is why you are at risk when you smoke a natural plant.
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Amen brother
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Amen brother
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It's astounding that it has gone on this long and that our country has convinced the rest of the world to believe the BS too.

Go back and look at who pushed for the plant to be outlawed in thr first place. Then look at the language they used to justify it. Absolutely astounding.
 
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VolAllen said:
So do you drink? Do you have a beer or a glass of wine when you go to Carrabbas? Because driving home from dinner after a couple of drinks is far more dangerous than taking a hit from a bowl with a little bit of weed in it. Now please understand, I'm not the guy with Bob Marley posters on the wall and rasta stickers on my car. I'm a guy wearing Polo or a Vols shirt, driving a BMW, and running a business. That little puff of green that grows from the ground just helps keep things in perspective.
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Maybe that is it. We will never agree because I do not need drug use to "keep things in perspective." I have talked to many a parent with same laissez faire attitude toward drug use themselves and of their children that was changed in an instant with a phone call in the middle of the night. Like I said, I have told no one how to live their lives. That is a common attack from drug users who have nothing else to fall back on. As I did say, good luck to you.
 
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