Medical Treatment Options (The off-season Friday night completely off topic thread)

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MedicT said:
Maybe that is it. We will never agree because I do not need drug use to "keep things in perspective." I have talked to many a parent with same laissez faire attitude toward drug use themselves and of their children that was changed in an instant with a phone call in the middle of the night. Like I said, I have told no one how to live their lives. That is a common attack from drug users who have nothing else to fall back on. As I did say, good luck to you.
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Completely agree. I think parents are failing to raise their children more and more every day.
 
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VolAllen said:
So do you drink? Do you have a beer or a glass of wine when you go to Carrabbas? Because driving home from dinner after a couple of drinks is far more dangerous than taking a hit from a bowl with a little bit of weed in it. Now please understand, I'm not the guy with Bob Marley posters on the wall and rasta stickers on my car. I'm a guy wearing Polo or a Vols shirt, driving a BMW, and running a business. That little puff of green that grows from the ground just helps keep things in perspective.
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The BMW part was a really important part of your post, glad you included it.
 
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MedicT said:
Maybe that is it. We will never agree because I do not need drug use to "keep things in perspective." I have talked to many a parent with same laissez faire attitude toward drug use themselves and of their children that was changed in an instant with a phone call in the middle of the night. Like I said, I have told no one how to live their lives. That is a common attack from drug users who have nothing else to fall back on. As I did say, good luck to you.
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I only defend it to fight the stereotype that the only people that use it are lower class and listen to Sublime, because that's not the case anymore. It's no longer the kids that skip school and have bad grades. My youngest brother is Class President at his high school, has carried straight A's throughout, and has been accepted to UT. He occasionally smokes weed, and my parents have told me they don't even feel right telling him not to, because he's a model student. The only advice I give him is to never have it in his car. If he makes a bad choice, it's on him. He knows what's at stake.
 
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The biggest problem is the people against marijuana REFUSE to even educate themselves on the subject and continue to believe all the war on drugs propaganda. Our worst enemy is uninformed voters. If you wanna go back and read this thread i tried intensely to receive an educated response, unfortunately, there's a major percentage of our population that refuses to seek facts and will not see the view of anything that doesn't fit their agenda. Until that group starts to change or dies off, we will continue to beat our heads against the wall.
 
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fade route said:
The BMW part was a really important part of your post, glad you included it.
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My point was, to put it bluntly, that I'm decently successful and a "user of the pot". I'm not driving an 86 Accord that my parents gave me in high school and standing in the food stamp line.
 
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Allen, they will not listen to anything that isn't negative on pot. I tried relentlessly to spark debate with medic this morning but when we want to start talking facts and the reality of marihuana (opposed to the fantasy of gateway drug, dangerous, makes you a bad person, etc) they have nothing. This hard headedness is why our prisons are filled by a majority of nonviolent drug offenders. It is trending good in our direction now, the more it gets studied, the more support it gains.
 
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VolAllen said:
My point was, to put it bluntly, that I'm decently successful and a "user of the pot". I'm not driving an 86 Accord that my parents gave me in high school and standing in the food stamp line.
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I'm just messing with mainly. I disagree a little that casual use is harmless, but you're an adult and can make your own choices.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Allen, they will not listen to anything that isn't negative on pot. I tried relentlessly to spark debate with medic this morning but when we want to start talking facts and the reality of marihuana (opposed to the fantasy of gateway drug, dangerous, makes you a bad person, etc) they have nothing. This hard headedness is why our prisons are filled by a majority of nonviolent drug offenders. It is trending good in our direction now, the more it gets studied, the more support it gains.
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I'll never understand how alcohol is legal, but marijuana isn't. And a bar? Lol..."don't drink and drive", however, there's a place that will let you sit there all night and get hammered. Alcohol obviously gets you f***** up enough to make bad decisions, but yet we're going to challenge those drunks by seeing if they'll call a cab or take a chance and drive? Truely unbelievable. And how many husbands beat their wives after smoking weed? Take them out to eat, maybe...but not beat them.
 
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fade route said:
I'm just messing with mainly. I disagree a little that casual use is harmless, but you're an adult and can make your own choices.
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No doubt that putting smoke into your lungs could have some respiratory effects. But vaporizers completely eliminate the smoke. Miles and miles safer than alcohol or tobacco. But as we said before, research has been really skewed on this subject. Legalizing and putting in quality control measures and taking a financial honey hole away from the cartels seems logical to me. When I was underage, it was a thousands times easier to score a bag of weed over some booze. Really interested in what's going on in Colorado and Washington. Once they get the market figured out, I suspect legalization to become the norm. Really hope they can get the marijuana credit union proposal passed. Right now all business is done in cash, banks won't even touch the money due to fear of federal ramifications. That leaves everybody in the industry vulnerable to theft. They were extremely quick to take better control of the edibles when problems arose with people gettin more than they could handle. Be interesting to see reports that will come out of both states on how the project did in it's first year.
 
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VolAllen said:
I'll never understand how alcohol is legal, but marijuana isn't. And a bar? Lol..."don't drink and drive", however, there's a place that will let you sit there all night and get hammered. Alcohol obviously gets you f***** up enough to make bad decisions, but yet we're going to challenge those drunks by seeing if they'll call a cab or take a chance and drive? Truely unbelievable. And how many husbands beat their wives after smoking weed? Take them out to eat, maybe...but not beat them.
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I couldn't agree with you more man. Also, most people who are dead set against it have never tried it. I'm not saying "everybody go smoke weed", but if all you have are dare and great and other forms of drug education, then you're not really qualified to determine what it does or doesn't do to you.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
I couldn't agree with you more man. Also, most people who are dead set against it have never tried it. I'm not saying "everybody go smoke weed", but if all you have are dare and great and other forms of drug education, then you're not really qualified to determine what it does or doesn't do to you.
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People lump it in with cocaine, meth, heroine etc. Theres a HUGE difference to anyone that cares enough to read up on them.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Allen, they will not listen to anything that isn't negative on pot. I tried relentlessly to spark debate with medic this morning but when we want to start talking facts and the reality of marihuana (opposed to the fantasy of gateway drug, dangerous, makes you a bad person, etc) they have nothing. This hard headedness is why our prisons are filled by a majority of nonviolent drug offenders. It is trending good in our direction now, the more it gets studied, the more support it gains.
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That is so true. I have had this debate many a time on this board and its the same thing every time. Any time I start talking facts and research all I get is the same ole "go smoke some more pot you idiot druggy."

People like Medic just can't accept the fact that their government has completely brain washed them and lied to them.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
That is so true. I have had this debate many a time on this board and its the same thing every time. Any time I start talking facts and research all I get is the same ole "go smoke some more pot you idiot druggy."

People like Medic just can't accept the fact that their government has completely brain washed them and lied to them.
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I'll try and remember that it is only "brainwashing" the next time I'm watching a family tragedy caused by pot use. Hey it is Sarurday night. Thare is a good chance that might happen in the next few hours in fact.
 
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MedicT said:
I'll try and remember that it is only "brainwashing" the next time I'm watching a family tragedy caused by pot use. Hey it is Sarurday night. Thare is a good chance that might happen in the next few hours in fact.
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Would be awesome if you could back that up with a link, where marijuana destroyed family.
 
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MedicT said:
I'll try and remember that it is only "brainwashing" the next time I'm watching a family tragedy caused by pot use. Hey it is Sarurday night. Thare is a good chance that might happen in the next few hours in fact.
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Family tragedy? What are you even talking about? Do you have absolutely anything to back up your claims or not?
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Would be awesome if you could back that up with a link, where marijuana destroyed family.
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Your method is a good one. Federal law and ethics will prevent such and of course you know this. I sincerely hope you never have to suffer the consequences of your opinion.
 
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MedicT said:
Your method is a good one. Federal law and ethics will prevent such and of course you know this. I sincerely hope you never have to suffer the consequences of your opinion.
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Wtf? Are affected in the head? Yeah I'm gonna be immature now because I don't know how else to respond. You have yet to offer one piece of evidence of your idiotic claims. Please step aside
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Wtf? Are affected in the head? Yeah I'm gonna be immature now because I don't know how else to respond. You have yet to offer one piece of evidence of your idiotic claims. Please step aside
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Whatcha want Numnutz? A brain ejected from a skull at high velocity and scraped out of a floor board?
 
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There's far more abuse potential with alcohol than marijuana. FWIW, I'm a doctor, I drink alcohol in moderation (4-5 drinks per week), but I've never actually smoked weed. Don't recall ever seeing a patient present with marijuana-related issues. I've seen plenty of death and destruction from alcohol, though.
 
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I was being logical with you page 2-6 and not once did you try to post something informative. Feels like I'm arguing with a 12 year old. If you read my previous posts and think I'm just being illogical and uneducated in the subject, jokes on you. You can only come back with snarky "go do your drugs" and claims with no factual support
 
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