Memphis Recruits

#76
#76
VolGee4 said:
....Pastner's first full class consisted of the big Memphis class along with Barton. That was a good get, but he didn't get another out of state player until 2 years later with Goodwin and Johnson. Martin is now in his 3rd full recruiting year, and the work is paying off.
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Actually, that 2-yr gap is not true. The big 2010 class had seven players (3-Memphis, 4-national). The 2011 class included three (Adonis Thomas [Memphis], Stan Simpson [JUCO-IL], and Charles Carmouche-graduate transfer-LA). So Simpson and Carmouche don't count as out-of-state?

2012 had three; all national (Shaq Goodwin, Damien Wilson, and Geron Johnson [JUCO-KS]). 2013 has an even split 3 and 3 not counting the graduate transfers Dixon and Pellom. That's eight new faces this year if Dixon (waiver) and Pookie (qualification) make it. Throw in two new Asst Coaches, and Pastner has his work cut out.

Any recruiting class can be checked here:
Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2009 Memphis Commitments
 
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#77
dixiebullfrog said:
Actually, that 2-yr gap is not true. The big 2010 class had seven players (3-Memphis, 4-national). The 2011 class included three (Adonis Thomas [Memphis], Stan Simpson [JUCO-IL], and Charles Carmouche-graduate transfer-LA). So Simpson and Carmouche don't count as out-of-state?

2012 had three; all national (Shaq Goodwin, Damien Wilson, and Geron Johnson [JUCO-KS]). 2013 has an even split 3 and 3 not counting the graduate transfers Dixon and Pellom. That's eight new faces this year if Dixon (waiver) and Pookie (qualification) make it. Throw in two new Asst Coaches, and Pastner has his work cut out.

Any recruiting class can be checked here:
Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2009 Memphis Commitments
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Everyone including BTO has always acknowledged that Memphis had done very well in recruiting on paper. And we have all said that they should be a Top 5 team and should have been last year and on paper they were. But the problem is the game is played on the court. It's time for Memphis and Pastner to shine and prove to the world that their Top 5 recruiting classes from Memphis are legit. Ditto for Martin although he doesn't have the built in backyard talent that Memphis has. Nonetheless he has a Sweet 16 team on paper and yes he needs to win and win big this season and everyone on here acknowledges that!!!
 
#78
#78
rocky200663 said:
Everyone including BTO has always acknowledged that Memphis had done very well in recruiting on paper. And we have all said that they should be a Top 5 team and should have been last year and on paper they were. But the problem is the game is played on the court. It's time for Memphis and Pastner to shine and prove to the world that their Top 5 recruiting classes from Memphis are legit. Ditto for Martin although he doesn't have the built in backyard talent that Memphis has. Nonetheless he has a Sweet 16 team on paper and yes he needs to win and win big this season and everyone on here acknowledges that!!!
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Second that post.
 
#79
#79
dixiebullfrog said:
Actually, that 2-yr gap is not true. The big 2010 class had seven players (3-Memphis, 4-national). The 2011 class included three (Adonis Thomas [Memphis], Stan Simpson [JUCO-IL], and Charles Carmouche-graduate transfer-LA). So Simpson and Carmouche don't count as out-of-state?

2012 had three; all national (Shaq Goodwin, Damien Wilson, and Geron Johnson [JUCO-KS]). 2013 has an even split 3 and 3 not counting the graduate transfers Dixon and Pellom. That's eight new faces this year if Dixon (waiver) and Pookie (qualification) make it. Throw in two new Asst Coaches, and Pastner has his work cut out.

Any recruiting class can be checked here:
Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2009 Memphis Commitments
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I am from Memphis, and I know the recruiting classes. I was talking about impact players. The point of the thread has been higher level players who have been offered by Memphis and UT. I did not include Simpson and Carmouche for a reason- they didn't do much at Memphis. I wouldn't include Dwight Miller in this argument for Martin because he did nothing at UT. I didn't include this last class because Pastner has two years up on Martin at their current schools.

Pastner is a great recruiter, but he has a recruiting base right in his own backyard. It makes it easier to get started early. When a mid major coach is hired at a place like UT, it takes time to develop relationships. Martin doesn't have talent near Knoxville- he has to go at least 3 hours away. It is not that difficult to understand.
 
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#80
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johnnybravo said:
Just curious...Has CCM lost a recruit to Memphis that is not from Memphis?

CCM beat out Memphis for Hubbs and now Austin. I can't recall any recruits Pastner has signed that CCM was also recruiting outside of the Memphis city limits.
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SMH. This gave me a good chuckle.
 
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#81
#81
johnnybravo said:
dixiebullfrog said:
And, like Kusotate above, I was disappoint in JB's OP swipe at Memphis recruiting.
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I didn't know I was held in such high regard with Memphis fans. Maybe I should try to rejoin the Memphis forum. Could be that my lifetime ban has been lifted.

Anyway, put yourself in a TN bb fan's shoes for just one minute. After 2 years of mostly subpar recruits and uncertainty if our coach is able to recruit at an elite level, we finally have back to back recruiting classes that we can start to brag about. We should have at least one day to celebrate when landing a huge recruit for us. When Nichols signed with Memphis last year, I wasn't on the Memphis forum trying to take the wind out of their sails. Oh yeah.....I couldn't get on there if I wanted to anyway.

I really hope we play you guys in the big tourney. It will be huge for both programs. I would love nothing more than for CCM to put the nail in CJP coffin.

EDIT: Nope....just checked

Your forum account is currently banned. Ban Reason: troll
Ban will be lifted: Never

Guess not all Memphis fans hold me in the same high regard as the ones that hang out here.
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#83
#83
bleedingTNorange said:
Continuing this topic...Pastner just lost Holston to USF, and is about to lose Mitchell to Bama.
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Isn't UT also about lose Mitchell to Bama, oh i forgot he was always Memphis Bound. I guess CCM slow played Mitchell also.......
 
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Kusotate said:
Isn't UT also about lose Mitchell to Bama, oh i forgot he was always Memphis Bound. I guess CCM slow played Mitchell also.......
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11 minutes later...Maybe, if you want to be technical. But, after Austin committed, we are probably done at recruiting guards. It was one or the other. So, there is no room for us.

Little different scenario.
 
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VolGee4 said:
11 minutes later...Maybe, if you want to be technical. But, after Austin committed, we are probably done at recruiting guards. It was one or the other. So, there is no room for us.

Little different scenario.
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So i guess we aren't expecting to see CCM sign another 2* or UR player in this class.
 
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#90
Kusotate said:
So i guess we aren't expecting to see CCM sign another 2* or UR player in this class.
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No. If you paid attention to Mitchell's recruitment at all you'd have seen that Micthell planned ONE official visit, and that was to Tennessee. Larry Austin (also holding a Memphis offer) committed to Tennessee, Micthell the next day released a top 8 that didn't include Tennessee, coincidence? I think not.
 
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#94
Kusotate said:
Is this your opinion or BTO's?
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I think I follow recruiting on my own. But, thanks for asking, though.

It is pretty simple logic. We were recruiting Austin, Mitchell, McCormick, and Demery, and at least 3 of them publicly spoke about UT. We take Austin, and then they don't list UT as an option immediately following.

We are now in the market for the frontcourt, and it depends on Stokes and attrition as to how many more we will take- as low as 1 to as many as 3.
 
#95
#95
The BTO credit card --- priceless

Now you're "winning" the recruits who have UT in their top 8 - 10 but never visit and go somewhere else.

And Pastner "loses" on every recruit offered by UM that doesn't commit.

Fair and balanced.....
 
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#96
VolGee4 said:
It is pretty simple logic. We were recruiting Austin, Mitchell, McCormick, and Demery, and at least 3 of them publicly spoke about UT.
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You and the UT asst were the only two who knew; doesn't count if BTO doesn't know/have him listed.

They told CCM Austin was coming to UT, and he replied, " We got Nichols...?"
 
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#97
RationalThinker said:
You fools just don't get it. Y'all act like pastner went after all of those players hard. And I'm not just saying that bc I'm a memphis fan. I will be the first to admit, pastner has it easier than most bc he can just stay in the city to recruit. But when you have that privelage, then why not take advantage of it. Most recruits that pastner goes after that don't live in memphis, he does not persue as hard as the kids in memphis. Meaning that of he loses out on a kid not from memphis, then no big deal. You can go get someone from the city of memphis easy. Those players you listed were persued heavy by Cuonzo, and they were not persued heavy by pastner. Y'all act like the players that y'all sign that memphis also has offered we're our "end all" recruits. Heck no, they were hardly even talked about on the memphis boards and were not serious recruits. With Hubbs being the semi exception
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The fact that Hubbs was a 5* doesn't really mean that Memphis really recruited him or wanted him on their team. They could get any 5* they wanted to. Perfect logic. I like to approach that any kid you don't get is a kid you really didn't recruit hard or really want.
 
#98
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dixiebullfrog said:
The BTO credit card --- priceless

Now you're "winning" the recruits who have UT in their top 8 - 10 but never visit and go somewhere else.

And Pastner "loses" on every recruit offered by UM that doesn't commit.

Fair and balanced.....
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Honest question, did Micthell and Holston have commitable offers from Memphis? If they didn't, then no, I wouldn't count them as a loss for Pastner. Mitchell didn't have a committable offer from Tennessee after the Austin commitment, this has been widely discussed.
 
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